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Feigning ignorance hallmarks both of you quite aptly. Feigning intelligence hallmarks you quite aptly, Wouldee. Niether of you have made a point other than to take issue with that which is not of your contrarian viewpoints. You have not made a point other than to take an issue with that which is not of your contrarian viewpoint. Both relish in the distinction that judgement is fluid and that context and credibility is an isolated selection based on abject refusal to remain coherent. You relish in the distinction that judgment is fluid and that context and credibility is an isolated selection based on an abject refusal to remain coherent. It is no surprise. You both exhibit feigned remarks that only intend to change the subject and steer away from your indefensible diatribes. Yet you persist as offended and belittled. It is no surprise. You exhibit feigned remarks that only intend to change the subject and steer away from your indefensible diatribes. Pitiful. Still, nothing coherent comes from either one of you. Pitiful. Still, nothing coherent comes from you, wouldee. I stand pat knowing that neither one of yyour incredible delusions is relevant. Still, I stand pat knowing that none of your incredible delusions is relevant. Certainly you both shall continue in this rhetorical nonsense just to hear yourselves applaud one another. Certainly you, wouldee, shall continue in this rhetorical nonsense just to hear yourself babble on. Having nothing more to say, you both enjoy reducing your indefensible contrarian diatribes into an abyss of incoherent babble so defining your anarchistic onslaughts against psots not sharing your licentious narrowness. Having nothing more to say, you Wouldee, enjoy reducing your indefensible contrarian diatribes into an abyss of incoherent babble so defining your anarchistic onslughts against individuals not sharing your licentious narrowness. That will not change, nor will your demeanors mature. Being so full of yourselves is your choice. Create your own threads for your hidden agendas and preach to your own choirs, as you are wont to do elsewhere. This Wouldee is an open forum and open to all participants. Your agendas to disrupt anything not held in your contemptuous world views deserve no less. Its a dirty job, but someone has to do it. We have lived in lies long enough. It is time to question things and ask for clarity, which you know little about. At least you can expect to have the comfort of knowing that you are safe harbors in your own threads speaking to things you understand, and not miring yourselves in things that call your ignorance and offensiveness to question by any that can refute you intelligently and thoughtfully. And I suppose you imagine that person is you. Not likely. I think not Wouldee. Neither one of you has the coherence or the fortitude to respond to the issues that you have raised with your own diatribes. You seem to be incapable of getting to the point. Addressing your machinations deserves nothing . You have, however, defined your ineptitude in not responding to your own offensive attack agendas and bearing their foolishness. What offensive attack and on whom? It is you who are offensive and it is you who are on the attack. I don't understand how you cannot see this. Transference is not tolerated by me of either one of you. This is clearly ended with your silence that brings on your machinations. Please continue your insulting and callous disregards among yourselves. It is clear that you are intent upon being unwise and foolish and offensive in your petty recalcitrance and obstinant belligerence. Wow, Wouldee, your poison spews like acid rain. You are so full of yourself. That is your Cross to bear.    And he ends with a flower and a heart and a smile to hide his real face. JB (I so love his style, I hope to learn how to be like him when I grow up.) |
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It won't happen
You are just a parrot in a cage, trpped in your own delusions. 
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It won't happen You are just a parrot in a cage, trpped in your own delusions. Of course I was only joking, but a person like you with no sense of humor naturally would think I was being serious. Being like you is the last thing on earth I would want to be. JB |
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No surprise there, Jeannie.
 Your life has many different facets to it that are uniquely your own. I respect that you have a richness that is well embraced, but I have no affinity for the argumentativeness that accompanies unappreciated insults to Christians and their joy, of which I also rejoice in. Perhaps that can be respected more often and the callousness that accompanies such affronts could be more sensitive and tactful to remain private thoughts and not attacks hindering and insulting persuasions not viewed contrarian to such exhortations. It is easy to do. It goes both ways, dear. You entered into something, mid stream dislodging the context, in defence of a friend but doing so is unwise, whether calculated or not. Hope springs eternal.
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Wouldee,
You always seem to be offended when I enter into any conversation on these threads where you are concerned and where you did not invite or engage me first. You entered into something, mid stream dislodging the context, in defence of a friend but doing so is unwise, whether calculated or not (Are you that much of a snob? I wonder..) In fact you did invite me into it when you belittled Abra by calling his friends "invisible." (I certainly don't feel invisible.) So I made myself visible, and I entered the conversation. I love meeting joyful and sincere Christians on this club and I have a great deal of respect for them and the way they live their lives. It does not bother me that they feel I am in need of saving or that they laugh at some of my considerations or beliefs. But I have also met a few who pretend to love others, but spew poisonous thoughts and innuendos at others and who are easily offended because their belief is challenged by someone. I agree that some remarks have been callous on both sides of the issue, and this is where a person should stop to consider where this is coming from and why instead of jumping into a defensive posture and building walls of defense that separate them from others. JB |
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Wouldee, You always seem to be offended when I enter into any conversation on these threads where you are concerned and where you did not invite or engage me first. You entered into something, mid stream dislodging the context, in defence of a friend but doing so is unwise, whether calculated or not (Are you that much of a snob? I wonder..) In fact you did invite me into it when you belittled Abra by calling his friends "invisible." (I certainly don't feel invisible.) So I made myself visible, and I entered the conversation. I love meeting joyful and sincere Christians on this club and I have a great deal of respect for them and the way they live their lives. It does not bother me that they feel I am in need of saving or that they laugh at some of my considerations or beliefs. But I have also met a few who pretend to love others, but spew poisonous thoughts and innuendos at others and who are easily offended because their belief is challenged by someone. I agree that some remarks have been callous on both sides of the issue, and this is where a person should stop to consider where this is coming from and why instead of jumping into a defensive posture and building walls of defense that separate them from others. JB WOW, Jeannie. Twice now over the last few months, you insist that snobbery is my blindspot. Oh, well.  Abra, himself, draws on his invisible friends in his e- mails as sustainence for his remarkable callouness that takes him over from time to time. That was the reference. Well , I am one of the poisonous, in your estimation. It is understandable when I consider that you have no clue about where I am coming from sometimes, but then, I am not parading around speaking of things that I know little or nothing about either. The context of my remarks generally are best assumed to remain in context throughout any dialogue that I continue in and that awareness requires attention to detail, in any case. How maligned my words become is known to be as words being interpreted through filters that are understandably prevalent ones, but I am not dissuaded because of those filters maligning me either. I am full aware that few enter into the things of Christ. I spent thirty years outside of the anointing myself and had, thankfully, no contact with the Church in those thirty years. But the most recent twenty two years are entirely another matter. I have entered into the melee of all of written history's abuses in the name of God, and that does not embarrass or constrain me to be question the veracity of the truth of God in Chrsit, specifically. In CHRIST, specifically. cool? |
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Feigning ignorance hallmarks both of you quite aptly. Niether of you have made a point other than to take issue with that which is not of your contrarian viewpoints. Both relish in the distinction that judgement is fluid and that context and credibility is an isolated selection based on abject refusal to remain coherent. It is no surprise. You both exhibit feigned remarks that only intend to change the subject and steer away from your indefensible diatribes. Yet you persist as offended and belittled. Pitiful. Still, nothing coherent comes from either one of you. I stand pat knowing that neither one of yyour incredible delusions is relevant. Certainly you both shall continue in this rhetorical nonsense just to hear yourselves applaud one another. Having nothing more to say, you both enjoy reducing your indefensible contrarian diatribes into an abyss of incoherent babble so defining your anarchistic onslaughts against psots not sharing your licentious narrowness. That will not change, nor will your demeanors mature. Being so full of yourselves is your choice. Create your own threads for your hidden agendas and preach to your own choirs, as you are wont to do elsewhere. Your agendas to disrupt anything not held in your contemptuous world views deserve no less. At least you can expect to have the comfort of knowing that you are safe harbors in your own threads speaking to things you understand, and not miring yourselves in things that call your ignorance and offensiveness to question by any that can refute you intelligently and thoughtfully. Neither one of you has the coherence or the fortitude to respond to the issues that you have raised with your own diatribes. Addressing your machinations deserves nothing . You have, however, defined your ineptitude in not responding to your own offensive attack agendas and bearing their foolishness. Transference is not tolerated by me of either one of you. This is clearly ended with your silence that brings on your machinations. Please continue your insulting and callous disregards among yourselves. It is clear that you are intent upon being unwise and foolish and offensive in your petty recalcitrance and obstinant belligerence. That is your Cross to bear.    |
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Edited by
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Twice now over the last few months, you insist that snobbery is my blindspot. Oh, well.huh Well more than twice you have scolded me, dismissed me, and so much as told me that I was butting into a conversation that I knew nothing about and that I was unwise or rude to do so and you made it quite clear that my comments and opinions are unwelcome. That feels like snobbery to me. Abra, himself, draws on his invisible friends in his e- mails as sustainence for his remarkable callouness that takes him over from time to time. That was the reference. For whatever reason Abra comes back at you with his friends who support him, it is usually after you belittle his contributions, and practically tell him to give it a rest, start his own thread, get off of his soap box, etc. etc etc. It is my personal feeling that he does not need to justify his posts with you or anyone, even if he had no friends at all and that he does NOT engage in personal attacks, he only attacks what he feels are untruths. Well , I am one of the poisonous, in your estimation. A spitting cobra you are... It is understandable when I consider that you have no clue about where I am coming from sometimes, but then, I am not parading around speaking of things that I know little or nothing about either. You are right, I don't know where you are coming from, but I do get a feeling for how right you believe you are and how you seem to talk down to people with disdain and disrespect. The context of my remarks generally are best assumed to remain in context throughout any dialogue that I continue in and that awareness requires attention to detail, in any case. The above statement is vague but I suspect you are saying that I should read your remarks carefully, which I do. How maligned my words become is known to be as words being interpreted through filters that are understandably prevalent ones, but I am not dissuaded because of those filters maligning me either. Here, you attempt to set the blame upon those others who just don't understand your words,~~ perhaps because of their own ignorance or issues. But rather than attempting to clarify yourself or be a better communicator, you would rather tell yourself that they have so many "filters" that they cannot understand your words. You might try using a little simplicity and clarity in your communications. Or is that beneath you? I am full aware that few enter into the things of Christ. I spent thirty years outside of the anointing myself and had, thankfully, no contact with the Church in those thirty years. But the most recent twenty two years are entirely another matter. I have entered into the melee of all of written history's abuses in the name of God, and that does not embarrass or constrain me to be question the veracity of the truth of God in Chrsit, specifically. In CHRIST, specifically. cool? Irrelevant as I am discussing communication, not religion. JB |
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Thank God for Christ Jesus. John 3:16 I think this is interesting. Isn't Jesus Christ god? Do you thank him for himself? The trinity confuses me. Especially as some here have professed that the god of the old testament is jesus? That's not how I interpreted the old and new testaments... but if jesus didn't exist prior to the birth of the man jesus christ, was he then a creation of the other god? this is confusing to me. |
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Twice now over the last few months, you insist that snobbery is my blindspot. Oh, well.huh Well more than twice you have scolded me, dismissed me, and so much as told me that I was butting into a conversation that I knew nothing about and that I was unwise or rude to do so and you made it quite clear that my comments and opinions are unwelcome. That feels like snobbery to me. Abra, himself, draws on his invisible friends in his e- mails as sustainence for his remarkable callouness that takes him over from time to time. That was the reference. For whatever reason Abra comes back at you with his friends who support him, it is usually after you belittle his contributions, and practically tell him to give it a rest, start his own thread, get off of his soap box, etc. etc etc. It is my personal feeling that he does not need to justify his posts with you or anyone, even if he had no friends at all and that he does NOT engage in personal attacks, he only attacks what he feels are untruths. Well , I am one of the poisonous, in your estimation. A spitting cobra you are... It is understandable when I consider that you have no clue about where I am coming from sometimes, but then, I am not parading around speaking of things that I know little or nothing about either. You are right, I don't know where you are coming from, but I do get a feeling for how right you believe you are and how you seem to talk down to people with disdain and disrespect. The context of my remarks generally are best assumed to remain in context throughout any dialogue that I continue in and that awareness requires attention to detail, in any case. The above statement is vague but I suspect you are saying that I should read your remarks carefully, which I do. How maligned my words become is known to be as words being interpreted through filters that are understandably prevalent ones, but I am not dissuaded because of those filters maligning me either. Here, you attempt to set the blame upon those others who just don't understand your words,~~ perhaps because of their own ignorance or issues. But rather than attempting to clarify yourself or be a better communicator, you would rather tell yourself that they have so many "filters" that they cannot understand your words. You might try using a little simplicity and clarity in your communications. Or is that beneath you? I am full aware that few enter into the things of Christ. I spent thirty years outside of the anointing myself and had, thankfully, no contact with the Church in those thirty years. But the most recent twenty two years are entirely another matter. I have entered into the melee of all of written history's abuses in the name of God, and that does not embarrass or constrain me to be question the veracity of the truth of God in Chrsit, specifically. In CHRIST, specifically. cool? Irrelevant as I am discussing communication, not religion. JB Jeannie, and you are discussing communication in a converstation that eludes your comprehension. That makes no sesne to me. Let's end it here, then. you clearly have an agenda and that agenda is entirely a different matter. Move on. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Twice now over the last few months, you insist that snobbery is my blindspot. Oh, well.huh Well more than twice you have scolded me, dismissed me, and so much as told me that I was butting into a conversation that I knew nothing about and that I was unwise or rude to do so and you made it quite clear that my comments and opinions are unwelcome. That feels like snobbery to me. Abra, himself, draws on his invisible friends in his e- mails as sustainence for his remarkable callouness that takes him over from time to time. That was the reference. For whatever reason Abra comes back at you with his friends who support him, it is usually after you belittle his contributions, and practically tell him to give it a rest, start his own thread, get off of his soap box, etc. etc etc. It is my personal feeling that he does not need to justify his posts with you or anyone, even if he had no friends at all and that he does NOT engage in personal attacks, he only attacks what he feels are untruths. Well , I am one of the poisonous, in your estimation. A spitting cobra you are... It is understandable when I consider that you have no clue about where I am coming from sometimes, but then, I am not parading around speaking of things that I know little or nothing about either. You are right, I don't know where you are coming from, but I do get a feeling for how right you believe you are and how you seem to talk down to people with disdain and disrespect. The context of my remarks generally are best assumed to remain in context throughout any dialogue that I continue in and that awareness requires attention to detail, in any case. The above statement is vague but I suspect you are saying that I should read your remarks carefully, which I do. How maligned my words become is known to be as words being interpreted through filters that are understandably prevalent ones, but I am not dissuaded because of those filters maligning me either. Here, you attempt to set the blame upon those others who just don't understand your words,~~ perhaps because of their own ignorance or issues. But rather than attempting to clarify yourself or be a better communicator, you would rather tell yourself that they have so many "filters" that they cannot understand your words. You might try using a little simplicity and clarity in your communications. Or is that beneath you? I am full aware that few enter into the things of Christ. I spent thirty years outside of the anointing myself and had, thankfully, no contact with the Church in those thirty years. But the most recent twenty two years are entirely another matter. I have entered into the melee of all of written history's abuses in the name of God, and that does not embarrass or constrain me to be question the veracity of the truth of God in Chrsit, specifically. In CHRIST, specifically. cool? Irrelevant as I am discussing communication, not religion. JB Jeannie, and you are discussing communication in a converstation that eludes your comprehension. That makes no sesne to me. Let's end it here, then. you clearly have an agenda and that agenda is entirely a different matter. Move on. Wouldee I will do that gladly as my attempt to actually communicate with you in the most simplistic manner has proven a futile attempt. You obviously desire to simply feel superior to me, dismissing me again which only serves to prove my point. Good day and Good bye. JB Wouldee is now dead to me. So be it, so it is. |
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LOL.....do you actually read what you write before posting it? Abra is not the one in this thread telling people what they have to believe in order to come to God. You are, Wouldee. By the son or be damned?....please. Talk about arrogance. You have mastered the art not only of arrogance but of talking down to people with whom you disagree. You know, if spending eternity with the likes of people who profess to "know" is rivaled by the alternative, which would look something like spending eternity with people a little less sure of themselves, well--I'll take the latter, and be happy to face the consequences and results of that choice. -Drew Thank you Drew. It’s refreshing to read the words of someone who actually sees the truth. Wouldee is condemning me on a personal level because I don’t believe in the fairytales that he believes in. But I don’t condemn him for not believing like me. I merely point out to him the errors in the fairytale he claims to believe in and he becomes distraught and angry and lashes out at me because deep down inside he knows that I’m right and it makes him uncomfortable. If he was truly comfortable in what he claims to believe he wouldn’t need to become defensive about it. If he truly believed what he claims he would simply explain things calmly and collectively instead of lashing out with personal insults of arrogance, etc. No Christian will ever win someone over to their faith by becoming hostile toward them, and I’m sure this is a large part of what Mahatma Gandhi noticed in Christians as well. Wouldee wrote: It doesn't require me to prove it to you; you know yourself that you are not perfect and not without faults. So do I. Quickstepper wrote: Because God is a God of justice. All I can tell you is that I can't convince you... Based on this alone we have no choice but to conclude that if there is a God it mast be pantheistic in its nature. Why would anyone put their faith in that picture??? The Bible is the greatest insult to God that mankind ever invented.  I had to cut most of the rant out. It really is a waste of bandwidth. Well it really looks like you just want to argue someone else's belief. LOL...you make it sound like we made this up out of thin air. The carnal mind just can't understand it & you are proof of that. I'm certainly not here to convince someone who isn't truly seeking in sincerity. Not my job. No matter...it is what it is whether you like it or not. I get that you are not in agreement with the Word of God & have rejected it. Let's just leave it at that. Don't worry...I'm not "judging" you. It's only your "opinion." Now there yu go...that's opinion if yu ask me! hehehe God bless in your search for reconciliation to Him. |
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Twice now over the last few months, you insist that snobbery is my blindspot. Oh, well.huh Well more than twice you have scolded me, dismissed me, and so much as told me that I was butting into a conversation that I knew nothing about and that I was unwise or rude to do so and you made it quite clear that my comments and opinions are unwelcome. That feels like snobbery to me. Abra, himself, draws on his invisible friends in his e- mails as sustainence for his remarkable callouness that takes him over from time to time. That was the reference. For whatever reason Abra comes back at you with his friends who support him, it is usually after you belittle his contributions, and practically tell him to give it a rest, start his own thread, get off of his soap box, etc. etc etc. It is my personal feeling that he does not need to justify his posts with you or anyone, even if he had no friends at all and that he does NOT engage in personal attacks, he only attacks what he feels are untruths. Well , I am one of the poisonous, in your estimation. A spitting cobra you are... It is understandable when I consider that you have no clue about where I am coming from sometimes, but then, I am not parading around speaking of things that I know little or nothing about either. You are right, I don't know where you are coming from, but I do get a feeling for how right you believe you are and how you seem to talk down to people with disdain and disrespect. The context of my remarks generally are best assumed to remain in context throughout any dialogue that I continue in and that awareness requires attention to detail, in any case. The above statement is vague but I suspect you are saying that I should read your remarks carefully, which I do. How maligned my words become is known to be as words being interpreted through filters that are understandably prevalent ones, but I am not dissuaded because of those filters maligning me either. Here, you attempt to set the blame upon those others who just don't understand your words,~~ perhaps because of their own ignorance or issues. But rather than attempting to clarify yourself or be a better communicator, you would rather tell yourself that they have so many "filters" that they cannot understand your words. You might try using a little simplicity and clarity in your communications. Or is that beneath you? I am full aware that few enter into the things of Christ. I spent thirty years outside of the anointing myself and had, thankfully, no contact with the Church in those thirty years. But the most recent twenty two years are entirely another matter. I have entered into the melee of all of written history's abuses in the name of God, and that does not embarrass or constrain me to be question the veracity of the truth of God in Chrsit, specifically. In CHRIST, specifically. cool? Irrelevant as I am discussing communication, not religion. JB Jeannie, and you are discussing communication in a converstation that eludes your comprehension. That makes no sesne to me. Let's end it here, then. you clearly have an agenda and that agenda is entirely a different matter. Move on. Wouldee I will do that gladly as my attempt to actually communicate with you in the most simplistic manner has proven a futile attempt. You obviously desire to simply feel superior to me, dismissing me again which only serves to prove my point. Good day and Good bye. JB Wouldee is now dead to me. So be it, so it is. " Wouldee & Spidercmb & Others like Them are very , very much Alive to Many of Us !!! and Thank God for that !!! So be it !!! and So it is !!! In Jesus Holy Precious Sacred Name, We pray....Amen " |
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LOL.....do you actually read what you write before posting it? Abra is not the one in this thread telling people what they have to believe in order to come to God. You are, Wouldee. By the son or be damned?....please. Talk about arrogance. You have mastered the art not only of arrogance but of talking down to people with whom you disagree. You know, if spending eternity with the likes of people who profess to "know" is rivaled by the alternative, which would look something like spending eternity with people a little less sure of themselves, well--I'll take the latter, and be happy to face the consequences and results of that choice. -Drew Thank you Drew. It’s refreshing to read the words of someone who actually sees the truth. Wouldee is condemning me on a personal level because I don’t believe in the fairytales that he believes in. But I don’t condemn him for not believing like me. I merely point out to him the errors in the fairytale he claims to believe in and he becomes distraught and angry and lashes out at me because deep down inside he knows that I’m right and it makes him uncomfortable. If he was truly comfortable in what he claims to believe he wouldn’t need to become defensive about it. If he truly believed what he claims he would simply explain things calmly and collectively instead of lashing out with personal insults of arrogance, etc. No Christian will ever win someone over to their faith by becoming hostile toward them, and I’m sure this is a large part of what Mahatma Gandhi noticed in Christians as well. Wouldee wrote: It doesn't require me to prove it to you; you know yourself that you are not perfect and not without faults. So do I. Quickstepper wrote: Because God is a God of justice. All I can tell you is that I can't convince you... Based on this alone we have no choice but to conclude that if there is a God it mast be pantheistic in its nature. Why would anyone put their faith in that picture??? The Bible is the greatest insult to God that mankind ever invented. I had to cut most of the rant out. It really is a waste of bandwidth. Well it really looks like you just want to argue someone else's belief. LOL...you make it sound like we made this up out of thin air. The carnal mind just can't understand it & you are proof of that. I'm certainly not here to convince someone who isn't truly seeking in sincerity. Not my job. No matter...it is what it is whether you like it or not. I get that you are not in agreement with the Word of God & have rejected it. Let's just leave it at that. Don't worry...I'm not "judging" you. It's only your "opinion." Now there yu go...that's opinion if yu ask me! hehehe God bless in your search for reconciliation to Him. Lord Jesus... You said that where two or more are gathered together in Your Sacred Name... There You are , in the Midst of Us ... sooooo, we are gathered in your Holy Name and we know that YOU are Here in Our Midst |
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We feel Your Presence & Your Pure Holy Spirit Amongst Us oooooooooohhh Lord God ~ Creator of the Universe We Love You, we want to love you more and we thank You for all that You Are I ASK YOU TO HELP US TO BE WISER AND TO HELP US TO UNDERSTAND YOU BETTER HELP US TO UNDERSTAND OURSELVES BETTER AND IN TURN THIS WILL REFLECT ON OTHERS SO WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER BETTER We pray for Each Other & We pray for Our enemies WE ask for peace to come between us and that we will all lay down the arms  in the " Who is the True God Battles !!! & in all the various realms  Of Faith & Belief Wars & ALL THE THINGS THAT CAUSE PEOPLE TO WAR & FIND SOME LASTING & REAL COMMON DENOMINATORS CAUSE THERE ARE MANY .... IF WE WOULD ONLY GET OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES FOR LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM We love You & We praise You, Lord WE want to know Who You are .... Please reveal Your Magnificence & Splendor in Our Hearts to All of Us Today & in a Great & Mighty way |
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I asked a question a bunch of posts back and wanted to see if anyone had an answer for me...
It seems rehashing the same arguments was all consuming. Sigh.  There were some other interesting points in here too, but all are lost in the he said she saids....  |
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I asked a question a bunch of posts back and wanted to see if anyone had an answer for me... It seems rehashing the same arguments was all consuming. Sigh. There were some other interesting points in here too, but all are lost in the he said she saids.... Thank God for Christ Jesus. John 3:16 I think this is interesting. Isn't Jesus Christ god? Do you thank him for himself? The trinity confuses me. Especially as some here have professed that the god of the old testament is jesus? That's not how I interpreted the old and new testaments... but if jesus didn't exist prior to the birth of the man jesus christ, was he then a creation of the other god? this is confusing to me. It's not surprising that it's confusing to you. Join the club. This was one of the principal arguments during the 325AD Council of Nicaea, and the first major doctrinal conflict of the new church. In the end, not everyone agreed, but the concept was forced through (amid violent coercion), and became part of the definition of Christian orthodoxy. There remain denominations that refute the Trinity or Jesus' divinity, and/or embrace different perceptions, including the Arianists, Adoptionists, Binarists, Modalists, Unitarianists, etc., etc.. There are many informative articles written on this subject on the web, as well as literary works in print. 
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I asked a question a bunch of posts back and wanted to see if anyone had an answer for me... It seems rehashing the same arguments was all consuming. Sigh. There were some other interesting points in here too, but all are lost in the he said she saids.... Thank God for Christ Jesus. John 3:16 I think this is interesting. Isn't Jesus Christ god? Do you thank him for himself? The trinity confuses me. Especially as some here have professed that the god of the old testament is jesus? That's not how I interpreted the old and new testaments... but if jesus didn't exist prior to the birth of the man jesus christ, was he then a creation of the other god? this is confusing to me. It's not surprising that it's confusing to you. Join the club. This was one of the principal arguments during the 325AD Council of Nicaea, and the first major doctrinal conflict of the new church. In the end, not everyone agreed, but the concept was forced through (amid violent coercion), and became part of the definition of Christian orthodoxy. There remain denominations that refute the Trinity or Jesus' divinity, and/or embrace different perceptions, including the Arianists, Adoptionists, Binarists, Modalists, Unitarianists, etc., etc.. There are many informative articles written on this subject on the web, as well as literary works in print. The idea of the trinity goes even further back to pagan/goddess worship it reflects the 3 stages of womanhood..Maiden,Mother,Crone pre menstral, menstral and post-menstral |
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Spidercmb
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Tue 05/06/08 08:48 AM
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It's not surprising that it's confusing to you. Join the club. This was one of the principal arguments during the 325AD Council of Nicaea, and the first major doctrinal conflict of the new church. In the end, not everyone agreed, but the concept was forced through (amid violent coercion), and became part of the definition of Christian orthodoxy. There remain denominations that refute the Trinity or Jesus' divinity, and/or embrace different perceptions, including the Arianists, Adoptionists, Binarists, Modalists, Unitarianists, etc., etc.. There are many informative articles written on this subject on the web, as well as literary works in print. The Council of Nicea addressed the Arius heresy, which claimed that Jesus was a "created" God. Arius didn't deny that Jesus was God, but he believed that Jesus was a God created by God. The notes taken during the council are freely available online and can be purchased in most bookstores. It's important to note that only 2 people voted with Arius, the other 250 to 318 attendees agreed that Jesus is God. Nobody present at Nicea thought that Jesus wasn't a god and only two thought that Jesus was a created god, rather than the God of Abraham. Seriously..."The Davinci Code" isn't accurate history. If you want further proof, look at John 1. That chapter clearly states that Jesus is God. John 1 existed and was widely available hundreds of years before Nicea. If you read the Gospels, you will have many different affirmations of Jesus' Godhood. The fact that this silly lie about Nicea is so widely believed is absolute proof that those who hate the church will believe any lie that attacks it's foundations. It's really sad. You seem to pride yourself on your intelligence, you should take equal amount of pride in being right and actually research this stuff on credible sources. |
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That chapter clearly states that Jesus is God. Oh well then it must be true. Seriously Spider, that was an outrageous claim in that day that many people rejected and died for in the process. Just because some scribe was paid to write that does not make it so. And yes, scribes were paid to write scripture, and guess who paid them? The rich and powerful governments and rulers who set up religions. JB |
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