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Noone is pro-abortion, there is pro choice and pro life. I am pro choice, a woman should have the right to decide whether to carry a child to birth or not. I will not infringe on another's choice regardless to how I personally feel about abortion. I will stay out of others bedrooms and I will stay out of their life choices also. wow...well played, well played...  
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Will throw a log on the fire here..... It boils down to a set of moral and in some cases perhaps religious convictions. So, while those here who say "It is wrong and it is murder" have either a moral or religious conviction as such (or both) for them, that is the right answer. For the pro-choice on the other side of the fence - same answer. Whichever side I am on, I do not believe the government has the right nor responsibility to push your moral/religious views upon me. and to you
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Edited by
mnhiker
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Tue 04/15/08 12:00 PM
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Lindyy, I am pro-life, but I don't judge people who have had abortions. Only God can judge. The Catholic Church is against abortion, but not all Catholics are for the Iraq War. Neither are all Protestants. If you respect life, you respect it in ALL its forms. 
mnhiker: I follow the principle "Love the sinner, hate the sin." There ARE people out there who have abortions for hateful reasons. You must realize this. The Bible is filled with stories about wars since the beginning. Just look at King David when he cut off the head of Goliath. The Bible says there will be wars and rumours of wars. NO ONE wants war, but some things cannot be avoided. Not every is for the war - not everyone is against the war. "A MOTHER'S QUESTION: A mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die in Iraq ?' A mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die in Saudi Arabia ?' A mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die in Kuwait ?' Another mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die in Vietnam ?' Another mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die in Korea ?' Another mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die on Iwo Jima ?' Another mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die on a battlefield on a field in France ?' Yet another mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die at Gettysburg ?' And yet another mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die on a frozen field near Valley Forge ?' Then long, long ago, a mother asked... 'Heavenly Father ... why did my Son have to die on a cross outside of Jerusalem ?' The answer is the same... 'So that others may have life and dwell in peace, happiness, and freedom.' " This was emailed to me with no author. I thought the magnitude and the simplicity were awesome. mnhiker, it is WRONG to try to spin off on abortion and apply the same to the Iraq war. As stated above, there have been and will continue to be MANY wars until the end of time. Respectfully, Lindyy 
Lindyy, Is it? Do you believe that when God gave the Commandment: 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' to Moses on the mountain he was talking only about unborn babies? War should ALWAYS be the last resort and that is the ONLY time war should be waged, for that is what qualifies as a 'just war'. I could see why WWI and WWII might qualify. Why Afghanistan would. But I can't see why the Iraq War was started when we could have taken other measures to prevent it. We weren't 'backed into a corner' and Saddam Hussein wasn't the one who attacked us. |
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And might I add, that if everyone is so damned concerned about abortion, then why don't you adopt all these kids that are currently in foster care and need loving homes? There are too many children suffering in this country, with no food, home, or anything. Because they are too busy adopting children from China. 
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If you two can't play nice, THEN START YOUR OWN THREAD ABOUT THE WAR(S)!!!!!!
It's a woman's prerogative to do with the child as she wills? What about the father? Ever notice how the father might take it is never mentioned? If you both did the deed, both should have input. Yes, I am fully aware of what alot of men might say, if asked. But I'm not those men. I feel that that responsibility & decision should also be mine. Yes, I'm pro choice. And yes, it is just my opinion. Thanks for letting me voice (type?  ) it.
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What she said.
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Tue 04/15/08 04:32 PM
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Lindy,
Yet another mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die at Gettysburg ?' And yet another mother asked President... 'Why did my son have to die on a frozen field near Valley Forge ?' Then long, long ago, a mother asked... 'Heavenly Father ... why did my Son have to die on a cross outside of Jerusalem ?' The answer is the same... 'So that others may have life and dwell in peace, happiness, and freedom.' " This was emailed to me with no author. I thought the magnitude and the simplicity were awesome. Do you really? I find that about as far-fetched an analogy as I have ever heard! Jesus was a peaceful man and his mother was Mary and his father was God! Not President Bush, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, etc., etc. etc. Nor was Jesus running around with deadly and destructive weapons killing people in the name of other men! 
I just dont see the relationship.
Sorry..... Adoptions within the borders of the US are difficult. They take way to long and the legal issues are immense. That is why so many people go outside the country to adopt children. Abortions, I remember when abortions were illegal. I have 4 older sisters and the decision to overturn the law seemed real important to them. Without commenting on the religious yay or nay of it. I can say that legal or not abortions were and will take place. The difference is only, whether it will be done safely by qualified medical professionals, or in a backroom at the dry cleaners! If it is a sin then its a sin however it happens. Why not keep it safe and legal? |
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And might I add, that if everyone is so damned concerned about abortion, then why don't you adopt all these kids that are currently in foster care and need loving homes? There are too many children suffering in this country, with no food, home, or anything. Yes there are and yes a woman should be able to do as she wishes with her body. But my only thing is is that some women use it as an escape for a mistake that they have made. When a woman is raped or incest is involved then she has every right to abort but when some girl hooks up with a random guy ob her own accord and ends up pregnant then I believe that she lost that right |
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ok...hear me out. this is a topic that is really close to home. I have three kids and I would not trade them for the world. I heard a report not too long ago that said some states were actually going to legalize (or at least considering)abortions. Now, there are many touchy subjects with this and I try to understand them all. With so many people divided on this, can we have closure if we kill kids? does this somehow take the "Boo boo" mistake away? Come on....is there any more lame excuses? even if there is a rape or incest there are other alternatives. But however, I'm not a woman and do not know how a woman would feel about this.So, anyone...I'm kinda hesitant on this thread but I feel that there is alot to be said here about this topic. Take it easy though.
In extreme circumstances I am not against it, however "I made a mistake" is not an extreme circumstance but I think it should be considered given the adoption program (which is completly useless). |
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Edited by
Lindyy
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Tue 04/15/08 05:43 PM
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If you two can't play nice, THEN START YOUR OWN THREAD ABOUT THE WAR(S)!!!!!! It's a woman's prerogative to do with the child as she wills? What about the father? Ever notice how the father might take it is never mentioned? If you both did the deed, both should have input. Yes, I am fully aware of what alot of men might say, if asked. But I'm not those men. I feel that that responsibility & decision should also be mine. Yes, I'm pro choice. And yes, it is just my opinion. Thanks for letting me voice (type? ) it.
If this is to mnhiker and myself, Lindyy, we ARE 'playing nice.'
And, yes, you are entitled to your opinion. I have toned down lately, for various reasons, but I am sure I will get back to my usual self soon. I usually blast away on the abortion issue which is something I am DEEPLY CONVICTED. Which is, by the way, my right. Lindyy
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mnhiker and fanta:
You both have a right to your opinions, and you both know I strongly disagree. Right now I am a little 'reserved' due to Jason's death to be able to be my old fiesty self. Do not fear, I may get back to my old fiesty ways. Then again, maybe God is guiding me to a different approach. Another, OMG, the end of the world must be coming 
Lindyy
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The Bible is filled with stories about wars since the beginning. Just look at King David when he cut off the head of Goliath. The Bible says there will be wars and rumours of wars. NO ONE wants war, but some things cannot be avoided. Respectfully, Lindyy
Lindyy, Is it? Do you believe that when God gave the Commandment: 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' to Moses on the mountain he was talking only about unborn babies? mnhiker: Read the Old Testament. That is all I can tell you. Lindyy |
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When I contemplate this subject, I always want to ask those who are proponents of the right to abortion: If the choice had been made by your mother to abort YOU, specifically, and you had the ability to express your opinion at first trimester time, what would your opinion have been? And, what would be your opinion, if you could have one having been aborted, now? just my pondering on the subject. Please don't be offended. My mother had one before me, which could have been me..then one after me which could have been my sister who was born years later...Ive had 5 abortions...no shame, no regrets, grateful I didnt have to use a coat hanger. |
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This will brobably stir up a hornets nest but I dont care.
As far as it being "your body and your buisness what you do with it" Its not you that you are aborting there for its not your body it the babys. Ive heard in this thread whats the diffence in being for the war where men and woman are dieing and aginst abortion. Well if you use common logic, everyone over there signed a contract that stated they would be willing to go if they were ordered to. The baby dosent have a choice. Iv also seen the argument that a fetus is not a baby. Two words for you BULL SH IT. It has lungs, bones, a heart, skin, and the most important a soul. That sounds like a baby to me. Plain and simple if you screw up and get pregnent, give the kid up for adoption and it will be out of your life anyway, but it will at least be alive. You still dont think its murder, ok I got somthing for you to think about. (although this is not likely to happen) By your definition untill the baby is full delivered it is not technicly a "baby" So if you get some physco doctor that kills you baby halfway though delivery then you count have him arested for murder becouse the baby was not delivered yet. Never the less this wont change your minds so I dont know why I try. O I know why...BECOUSE YOUR GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER. |
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This will brobably stir up a hornets nest but I dont care. As far as it being "your body and your buisness what you do with it" Its not you that you are aborting there for its not your body it the babys. Ive heard in this thread whats the diffence in being for the war where men and woman are dieing and aginst abortion. Well if you use common logic, everyone over there signed a contract that stated they would be willing to go if they were ordered to. The baby dosent have a choice. Iv also seen the argument that a fetus is not a baby. Two words for you BULL SH IT. It has lungs, bones, a heart, skin, and the most important a soul. That sounds like a baby to me. Plain and simple if you screw up and get pregnent, give the kid up for adoption and it will be out of your life anyway, but it will at least be alive. You still dont think its murder, ok I got somthing for you to think about. (although this is not likely to happen) By your definition untill the baby is full delivered it is not technicly a "baby" So if you get some physco doctor that kills you baby halfway though delivery then you count have him arested for murder becouse the baby was not delivered yet. Never the less this wont change your minds so I dont know why I try. O I know why...BECOUSE YOUR GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ITS STILL A BABY EVEN IF IT HASNT GOTTEN ANY OF ITS ORGANS YET ITS STILL GROWING IN YOUR BODY. ITS A LIVING THING!!. Great thing you said on this way too go
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This will brobably stir up a hornets nest but I dont care. As far as it being "your body and your buisness what you do with it" Its not you that you are aborting there for its not your body it the babys. Ive heard in this thread whats the diffence in being for the war where men and woman are dieing and aginst abortion. Well if you use common logic, everyone over there signed a contract that stated they would be willing to go if they were ordered to. The baby dosent have a choice. Iv also seen the argument that a fetus is not a baby. Two words for you BULL SH IT. It has lungs, bones, a heart, skin, and the most important a soul. That sounds like a baby to me. Plain and simple if you screw up and get pregnent, give the kid up for adoption and it will be out of your life anyway, but it will at least be alive. You still dont think its murder, ok I got somthing for you to think about. (although this is not likely to happen) By your definition untill the baby is full delivered it is not technicly a "baby" So if you get some physco doctor that kills you baby halfway though delivery then you count have him arested for murder becouse the baby was not delivered yet. Never the less this wont change your minds so I dont know why I try. O I know why...BECOUSE YOUR GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER. Rayne: God Bless You!
The excuse women use that 'it is my body' is just not true as you say, IT IS the baby's body that is being KILLED. 
Lindyy
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all have to be seen as equal to have a peaceful society.....president to pauper, pope to derelict.....
each have the choice by NEED to CREATE freedom......if freedom is a right, than all will fight for eaches own right..... each have a NEED to find resolution, or truth, between all to create freedom and a free environment......all speaking must be encouraged no matter who or what is said...... can sensitivity ever know or find truth.......desensitation is then no longer seen as a loss of innocence or virtue, but rather the way to find true virtue or wisdom..... the measure of happiness a deed provide to EACH determine whether it be beneficial......... each create their OWN happiness, by simple logic and truth being followed......without sensitivity or FEAR of offense no government is anything but people, equals, and each has the ability if desire is within to be within the political arena..... it is equal people or government that has given many freedom to seek personal interests....... if ones personal interests are no longer served, than ALL interests together lead to a solution...... swimming to ones destiny is a hard thing for each being, and all have endured much pain and suffering...... a solution for all start by understanding first thought, then words, then action, and no solution is EVER found until a time when action is NOT seen as the CULPRIT........nor words......but simple misunderstanding of ones own thoughts....... if one say they have NO PERCIEVED IMPURE THOUGHTS, THEY DENY THEIR OWN MAKER, BECAUSE EACHS MAKER WHISPER WICKEDLY TO EXPLAIN HOW WICKEDNESS OR EVIL IS CREATED......TO ERASE FEAR.........MAKE WISDOM......NOT TO CREATE EVIL ALL BEINGS ARE EQUAL IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THE ESSENCE OF TRUTH, THAT CAN SOLVE BY ERASING FROM MEMORY ALL BAD MEMORIES....... IF ONE HAS ANY BAD MEMORIES THEY ARE NOT IN THE TRUTH.....NOT A BAD THING BUT A GOOD THING TO SAY KEEP GOING, YOU HAVE NOT DEDUCTED THE TRUTH YET, IT IS WITHIN YOU...... if all men were said to be equal, and all actions said to be equal in gods sight, than are not ALL thoughts ALSO to be seen as EQUAL.....none good and none bad lead the way to peace and HAPPINESS for all....... if one think a thought command them, create harmful desire, spit at it, revil it, anything, but continue the discourse with oneself and ask yourself QUESTIONS, and do not STOP IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO........IF YOU JUST GOTTA FIND THE ANSWERS TO ALL THAT YOU HAVE WANTED TO KNOW no other humans advice will lead another to happiness, but rather the truth if it be heard MUST create a STIRRING of subconscious from WITHIN each.......this is uncomfortable for many that have been inspired to ignored their own for a time, but questions at thought level WITHOUT FEAR bring WISDOM.........none already HAPPY need to do this, but if any being be not in TOTAL HAPPINESS, than see this is the start to whole truthful answers to all unhappiness |
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"Fetus" is Latin for "baby". Calling something by it's Latin name dosen't change what it is. And who gets abortions in their bedroom?
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"Fetus" is Latin for "baby". Calling something by it's Latin name dosen't change what it is. And who gets abortions in their bedroom? Oh, Wow. You are hero for the day!
Lindyy
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"Fetus" is Latin for "baby". Calling something by it's Latin name dosen't change what it is. And who gets abortions in their bedroom? The word fetus is from the Latin fetus, meaning offspring, bringing forth, hatching of young. It has Indo-European roots related to sucking or suckling. Couldnt find the word "baby" in any definition I saw.... |
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