well dave i think this answers your question

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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,

deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world

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****WHO IS GOING TO HOLD THE GOVT ACOUNTABL AND ENFORCE THE DECALRATION OF INDEPENDANCE

ENTER THE 2ND AMMENDMENT

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U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Second Amendment - Bearing Arms

Amendment Text | Annotations

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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DEFINITIONS

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Main Entry: in•fringe
Pronunciation: in-'frinj
Function: verb
Inflected Forms: in•fringed; in•fring•ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- in + frangere to break
transitive verb : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed —U.S. Constitution amendment II>; especially : to violate a holder's rights under (a copyright, patent, trademark, or trade name) intransitive verb : ENCROACH —in•fring•er noun
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

en•croach (n-krch)
intr.v. en•croached, en•croach•ing, en•croach•es
1. To take another's possessions or rights gradually or stealthily: encroach on a neighbor's land.
2. To advance beyond proper or former limits: desert encroaching upon grassland.
3. Football To commit encroachment.

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peo•ple (ppl)
n. pl. people
1. Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
2. A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality.
3. pl. peo•ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
4. Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
5. The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: "those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes" Thomas Jefferson.
6. The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
7. Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
8. Family, relatives, or ancestors.
9. Informal Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people

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SO IF THE GOVT INFRINGES (see DEFINITIONS)

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE (SEE DEFINITIONS)

TO BEAR ARMS

WHO IS GOING TOENFORCE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
WHEN THE GOVT BEGINS ABUSING THEIR POWERS

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

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AND BEGIN RESTRICTING THE

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

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WHO WILL STEP IN AND REMOVE THE

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

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AND INSTITUTE THE NEW GOVT

DO YOU THINK THE GOVT IS GOING TO DO IT

IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE

AND TO DO SO THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ARMED

AN UNARMED PEOPLE ARE SLAVE TO THOSE IN POWER

AND THE GOVT ARE THE MASTERS

WHICH IS NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

What about you? Why do you carry a gun? Because history told you to do so?

I'm sure you do.. But it doesn't.
It is the same canned answer you use consistently. Not that it does not pertain to the subject at large... but it does not even scratch the surface of liliths points.

The questions pertained to motive. As to why people think they need to be constantly armed. Why do some feel compelled to be always protected..and from what?

Her questions were not based in the legalities or constitutionality of the right to bear arms.

because it is my right, and duty to do so. In the right situation you would be happy to see an armed person come to your aid. You think it doesn't happen, do some research. Even the majority of law enforcement backed the citizens ccw program

and again you try to sidetrack the consitutional right to do so. Every consitutional right we have in this country hnges on the 2A.

I'm not saying that I'm against owning or carrying guns. I'm just curious as to why so many people feel the need to be armed at all times.

I value my life, and the life of others around me. I will not be in a powerless position to help either myself, or another if the situation arises. It is a duty that I have been given by men over two hundred years ago, I am my brothers keeper, and I am proud to wear that badge.

Of course I did... I just see it from an entirely different percpective.



I'm sorry you feel that way. I also feel bad for you that you blame lilith and I for making you feel anything at all... But, that too..is your right.

Now.. If you have managed to get the name calling and blaming out of the way... Maybe we can continue with what once was an intelligent conversation...

twist it anyway you want jist, but your whole argument is based on your feelings, nothing more. I love the spin game, you call people names, and point fingers at others for your own words, priceless

Just because I disagree with someone does not at all mean I loose respect for them I try to engage in debate. Not attacks. If I asked questions you did not like, that is not my fault. I asked honest questions I wondered about after reading this thread. None of them were directed at you personally or as an individual.




Rob~ this were my opinions and perceptions and again... you chose to take them personally. Jist did not use them... I DID. And they were used to ask questions. My opinions. Ones which you have chosen to judge me for, although all I did was ask for clarification. Son't you think that speaks to your character as well if you cannot engage in a serious debate without getting all personal?

what makes you say i carry a gun

Lil, I am done responding to either one of you. You lowered yourself with the insinuations, and generalizations, not me. Feel free to post as much as you would like, as that is your right, but neither one of you will never get another response out of me on these forums. You feel you can make those generalizations, and because you did not directly mention my name makes it a less stinging remark. It is what you intended it to be. throwing a cloak over a bear doesnt make it a dog. You cannot take back what you said, I hope you feel it was the right decision.

your question was

were does it say that in the second amendment

the declaration of independence and the constitution
have a lot of the same writers

your question did not say how does this answer lilths points

so maybe yer off track just a lil bit

I tried... Don't see the point in trying anymore.

The op asked:
'This is my choice for the biggest threat not addressed by america. We have a gun problem...with everyone popping off so easy and quickly as well as public shooting sprees...are any of us safe anymore? Do we all have to pack? What the hell is going on in this country? Do we have a people behavioral problem as well? wether you live on the streets or you live in the hills this is a problem. Spill it America. '

Constitutionality was not really an issue till you and a few others brought it up. My experience and feelings on the subject, did pertain to the original question.. Just as much as your feelings on the right to bear arms.

I had no idea that this was intended to be a one sided debate, meant for pro-gun people who only spoke in a certain vernacular.

So you are right rob.. I apparently do not belong in this thread.

ans.- if the bad guy has a gun i want a bigger gun with more and better bullets.

Wow....

I think it is interesting you know my intentions and to whom I was speaking on this thread... and tell me I'm wrong after I specifically state it was NOT directed at you. I spoke about me and my opinions. As is my right.

You taking them personally is your right as well. And I do think that is paranoid... as it was not personal. You made it personal. I think it is really sad we could not agree to disagree and actually discuss our differences.

There is no wrong or right. I am okay with that. But to end a conversation because you think there is... I do say there is something wrong with that.

Please keep this discussion on topic, and civil folks

thanks,
Mark

You are right.. Apparently I mixed up a few posts in my head. Sorry.

FYI-as far as "interpeting" the 2md andmendment using a regular dictionary.... aint gooa work. In law, we use the Blacks Law dictionary for such things. nothing else counts under Law.
example - the word Shall compells performance. under the law it is one of the most powerful words. no grey area.

If you aren't one who carries a gun, sorry. Didn't mean to make an assumption. As I said earlier, I'm really just curious as to why those who are armed at all times feel the need to be.