Ummm... did you bother to read my profile or what my rant was bout??? You're way off on your reply there.

yes.. he was prophesied to come and do as he did and be rejected. As you mention the 2 goats sacrificed each year on the day of atonement (Yom Kipper) which is considered the Holiest day of the year.

One goat all the sins of the people were laid on his head and the other one The High priest offered as a sacrifice to Yahweh.

This is the day of fasting which is Prophecy for to day in and out. You can find where the Prophets spoke of this day over and over.

Yet those who say the OT is done away and no need for those old laws have no idea when they read about Prophecy it is speaking about this Goat sacrifice as you well mentioned.

Lev 16:6-10

6 "Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering, which is for himself, and make atonement for himself and for his house. 7 He shall take the two goats and present them before Yahweh at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 8 Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for Yahweh and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat on which Yahweh’s lot fell, and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before Yahweh, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
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Now if you will notice the Sin offering goat was not to be presented before Yahweh with the people around.

In other words if the Sin offering goat was probably not to be TOUCHED by the people the offering would be unclean as the people outside on this day mourned as they waited to see if their forgiveness of sins was accepted.

Ad we read here and I will Post what Yahshua said before he presented himself before Yahweh.

Lev 16:15-19

15 "Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering, which is for the people, bring its blood inside the veil, do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bull, and sprinkle it on the mercy seat and before the mercy seat. 16 So he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions, for all their sins; and so he shall do for the tabernacle of meeting which remains among them in the midst of their uncleanness. 17 There shall be (no man in the tabernacle of meeting when he goes in to make atonement in the Holy Place, until he comes out, that he may make atonement for himself, for his household, and for all the assembly of Israel). 18 And he shall go out to the altar that is before Yahweh, and make atonement for it, and shall take some of the blood of the bull and some of the blood of the goat , and put it on the horns of the altar all around. 19 Then he shall sprinkle some of the blood on it with his finger seven times, cleanse it, and consecrate it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.
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John 20:13-18

She said to them, "Because they have taken away my Master, and I do not know where they have laid Him."

14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Yahshua standing there, and did not know that it was Yahshua. 15 Y&ahshua said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?"

She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away."

16 Yahshua said to her, "Mary!"

She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher).

17 Yahshua said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them,'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and your Elohim.'"

18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Master, and that He had spoken these things to her.
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I hope this can be seen that the Day of Atonement Goat sacrifice was a preylude to Yahshua rising to present the sins of the world before the father.

We can also see this even more clearly this sacrifice from the writer of Hebrews.

Heb 9:15

But Messiah came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to Elohim, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living Elohim? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
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This speaks of the same sacrifices being offered before the MOST HOLY PLACE. How much Holier of a place can you get than before THE THRONE?

18 And he shall go out to the altar that is before Yahweh, and make atonement for it, and shall take some of the blood of the bull and some of the blood of the goat , and put it on the horns of the altar all around. 19 Then he shall sprinkle some of the blood on it with his finger seven times, cleanse it, and consecrate it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.
NKJV Lev 16...

There is so much to this in Prophecy. Even doing it 7 times with the blood is prophecy.

What about the SCAPE GOAT?

Lev 16:20-22

20 "And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat . 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat , confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat , and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
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A man is to take the scapegoat and take it into the wilderness and release it with the sins of the people.

Who is this portraying?

Look at what else they did to this scapegoat?





Deut 33:16-17
16 With the precious things of the earth and its fullness,
And the favor of Him who dwelt in the bush.
Let the blessing come'on the head of Joseph,
And on the crown of the head of him who was separate from his brothers.'
17 His glory is like a firstborn bull,
And his horns like the horns of the wild ox;
Together with them
He shall push the peoples
To the ends of the earth;
They are the ten thousands of Ephraim,
And they are the thousands of Manasseh."
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Could Judas of been portrayed as the Scapegoat that Aaron laid the sins of his brothers on?

If he is.. Judas was not a mere traiter.. He was a chosen Sacrifice also.

Much different picture of him.

Remember Yahshua knew satan was entering Judas and told him to go and do it quickly.

Judas was very trusted as the rest thought when he was sent away as the Goat was.. That he was going to buy what they needed for the Passover.

A trusted position..

When Satan wanted to influence Peter who is/means the Rock. Yahshua made Satan leave.

Who was the Greatest Disciple? The ones who lived to see what was to come. Or the one who died because of what he had done?

Notice what Peter and Yahshua are talking about.

Luke 22:24-34

24 Also a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25 Yahshua said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles master it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. 28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones,

judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

31 "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."

33 But he replied, "Master, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death."

34 Yahshua answered, "I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me."
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Who is Greater?

Peter says he will go to Death before anything happens to Yahshua. Did he?

No.. Yahshua knew the rest could not stand up to Satan after he had been taken. Yahshua prayed that none of them be taken.

But Judas was let go. Was his betrayal when Satan had entered him worse than Peter’s?

I do not think so. I believe he will greatly be forgiven. Yahshua when asked did not say Judas had lost Eternal life.

How could prophecied of played out if not for Judas? Satan was bound by Yahshua not to enter the rest of the Disciples and allowed to enter Judas.

Where ever satan was allowed to go after one of Yahshua’s they were very strong in their faith.

Read this from Job carefully and see if you can see the actions of the last Supper and Yahshua’s death betrayal in it.


Job 1:6-12

Now there was a day when the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before Yahweh, and Satan also came among them. 7 And Yahweh said to Satan, "From where do you come?"

So Satan answered Yahweh and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it."

8 Then Yahweh said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears Elohim and shuns evil?"

9 So Satan answered Yahweh and said, "Does Job fear Elohim for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!"

12 And Yahweh said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person."

So Satan went out from the presence of Yahweh.
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Blessings of Shalom…Miles

May I ask who it is that I hate?

I believe that the God of Abraham is a totally fabricated myth.

I imagine you believe the same thing about Zeus.

Does that make you a Zeus hater?

Speaking of hate, have you ever read Revelations?

According to John's vision Jesus HATES a lot of people.

In fact, even in the gospels Matthew has Jesus sitting around giving sermons where all he does is whine about how hypocritical the pharisees are.

Jesus just sits there and whines and complains over and over again verse after verse:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

And GUESS WHAT?

He'd probably have precisely the SAME THINGS to say about the modern CHRISTIANS!

And that's NO JOKE!

They claim to worship Jesus whilst condemning same-gender lovers!

They claim to worship Jesus whilst condeming non-believers!

They claim to worship Jesus whilst praising bigotry and hate in the name of Jesus Christ the Almighty!

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

I can just hear him complaining already.

According to John in revelations Jesus is the hater.

And I'm just passing along the information given in the doctrine!

Of course, the message that Jesus was supposedly dictating to John was intended for the Seven Churches. So it appears that it was the members of these churches that Jesus hates.

Thank goodness he wasn't speaking to us huh?

We know that Jesus loves us. Right?

For the Bible tells us so. Somewhere amongst all the hate.

It's in there. It must be! Someone wrote a song about it.

Jesus loves me this I know
for the Bible tells me so!

Obviously whoever wrote that song clearly wasn't a member of one of the seven churches.

And hey, I personally love Jesus. I think of him as my brother.

It's the teachings of the ficticious God of Abraham I denounce.

But then so did Jesus!

I'm just agreeing with Jesus. The things that the God of Abraham taught were nasty and we need to cast them asunder and love each other instead of spreading hate in the name of God. Just like Jesus taught!

That was Jesus' message as far as I can see.

And he was crucified for it. That's truly sad.