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So why is it that you believe Thomas Jefferson existed and not Jesus?
Because, unlike Jesus, Jefferson can A.) Be accurately placed in History. B. There are multiple, independent sources that confirm that Jefferson C. Books actually written by Thomas Jefferson. |
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Religion = Evolution
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Evolution is science, its only the unifying theory of biology. Its only the most important theory in all of biology. Sad sad creationists. evolution is just a theory not testable science that's why it's a religion deity or not you have to believe it happened because there's NO PROOF what so ever!!!!!! blind by your own bias Says one of the people on here who refuses to belief the mountains of evidence for it. And, by the way, there is more evidence for Evolution, than for your God, yet you have no problem believing that little fairy tale.. |
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something people put their faith in doesn't have to a deity just believe in this why evolution is a religion also (no proof) Since when did evolution become a religion? I can't believe you even said that... Have I missed something? The Uber-Religious tend to ignore all the evidence out there for Evolution, and claim that it is a religion to make themselves feel like they are on equal footing, when in fact, they are miles behind. |
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Immoral God
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have you ever mulled over the idea that you may be more moral that your religion's god? I have already come to the conclusion that if there is a god we are more moral than he is. First, he demands a blood sacrifice to forgive "his creation" for using an ability that he gave "his creation". Second, he is supposed to be all-knowing and all-powerful. Therefore, he knew that events like 9/11 and the Holocaust were going to happen, and had the power to prevent them, and didn't. Lastly, if he is all powerful, he has the power to speak to everyone, and end the debate on which religion is right, instead, only the lunatics hear him, and all the religious people are still killing each other, to find out who has the best imaginary friend. |
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there is more information writing about Jesus than anyone else that ever lived!! the question isn't DID he live but was he GOD in the flesh. you believe alexander the great lived and there is 100 times more info about Christ. There is a lot written about Harry Potter too. Does that me he is real? |
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Proof! 
He lives in Mexico. Says he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. Can anyone prove that he is not. I guess it is just a matter of faith. Well, before he can be proven to be the second coming, it first needs to be proven there was a first coming... |
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proof
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Ink, most theist do not understand circumstantial evidence. Of course, the complete irony here, is they believe that circumstantial evidence as true, while being skeptical about all the evidence for evolution... |
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"Fact #2: On the Sunday morning following the crucifixion, the tomb of Jesus was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jakob Kremer, an Austrian specialist on the resurrection, "By far most exegetes hold firmly to the reliability of the biblical statements concerning the empty tomb."{16} As D. H. van Daalen points out, "It is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions."" This is utterly ridiculous in the face of what the Bible actually says. Matthew 27: [49] The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. [50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. According to Matthew there was an earthquake and many graves were opened and many saints were also resurrected at the same time and went into the holy city and appeared to many. So if we give the words of Matthew any credence there were many graves that opened at the same time and many bodies ressurected into zombies. The problem is that either the book is true or it isn't. If we need to pick and choose which parts of it we'd like to believe and reject the rest then we're just fooling ourselves. The FACT is that the gospels don't even agree with each other in the details and thus leave us no choice but to make up our own stories. And that's a FACT that you can take to the bank. We are not debating the inerrency of Matthew. We are debating the existence of Christ. I presented four facts that prove not only that Christ existed, but that he rose from the dead. We have been over this before, and you have yet to provide enough evidence for them to be stated as facts. |
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"Fact #1: After his crucifixion, Jesus was buried by Joseph of Arimathea in the tomb. This fact is highly significant because it means that the location of Jesus’s tomb was known to Jew and Christian alike. In that case it becomes inexplicable how belief in his resurrection could arise and flourish in the face of a tomb containing his corpse. According to the late John A. T. Robinson of Cambridge University, the honorable burial of Jesus is one of "the earliest and best-attested facts about Jesus."" "Fact #2: On the Sunday morning following the crucifixion, the tomb of Jesus was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jakob Kremer, an Austrian specialist on the resurrection, "By far most exegetes hold firmly to the reliability of the biblical statements concerning the empty tomb."{16} As D. H. van Daalen points out, "It is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions."" "Fact #3: On multiple occasions and under various circumstances, different individuals and groups of people experienced appearances of Jesus alive from the dead. This is a fact that is almost universally acknowledged among New Testament scholars today. Even Gert Lüdemann, perhaps the most prominent current critic of the resurrection, admits, "It may be taken as historically certain that Peter and the disciples had experiences after Jesus’s death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ."" Finally, fact #4: The original disciples believed that Jesus was risen from the dead despite their having every reason not to. Despite having every predisposition to the contrary, it is an undeniable fact of history that the original disciples believed in, proclaimed, and were willing to go to their deaths for the fact of Jesus’s resurrection. C. F. D. Moule of Cambridge University concludes that we have here a belief which nothing in terms of prior historical influences can account for--apart from the resurrection itself.{19} If these are facts, as you state, I would like to see references that are completely independent of the bible, and from the time period in question. I won't hold my breath. |
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3 words ONLY BEGOTTEN SON now again if you want to believe other that is perfectly fine by me.....it's a choice I choose to believe that when God said only begotten son that is what he meant...He didn't say only begotten sons, goddesses etc... Again, call it whatever the hell you want, it still doesn't do any explaining about how all the stories of these gods were around for THOUSANDS of years prior to Jesus' story, and sparing a few minor details, all these stories are pretty much the same. But, I suppose your next response will only be further avoidance of my points.. I can't answer because I don't know about them....maybe put who the heck your talking about and I will...... The sites posted in this thread aren't enough for you? Here they are again. You might also want to check out www.religioustolerance.org Heck, just watch Penn & Teller's "The Bible is B#llSh@t" Found here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E Here is another page with more info on the MANY gods that share their story with Jesus. http://one-faith-of-god.org/religion_christianity/overview.htm |
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3 words ONLY BEGOTTEN SON now again if you want to believe other that is perfectly fine by me.....it's a choice I choose to believe that when God said only begotten son that is what he meant...He didn't say only begotten sons, goddesses etc... Again, call it whatever the hell you want, it still doesn't do any explaining about how all the stories of these gods were around for THOUSANDS of years prior to Jesus' story, and sparing a few minor details, all these stories are pretty much the same. But, I suppose your next response will only be further avoidance of my points.. |
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a ton Where is it then? |
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Here is another page with more info on the MANY gods that share their story with Jesus.
http://one-faith-of-god.org/religion_christianity/overview.htm |
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Cult Recruitment
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what exactly is the difference between cult recruitment and religious indoctrination?
From what I can tell, if the belief can only fill one building, it's a cult. When the belief can fill many buildings, in many areas, it's a religion. But when you boil it down, Religion is just a socially acceptable cult. |
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I am staying on topic....as the first of the entire OP is Jesus...so I guess talking about Jesus is right on topic I would say.
I don't believe the similarities so I guess I will take it in the direction of satan now and false gods and prophets... It doesn't matter what you believe, these other gods are documented in History,and all were documented prior to Jesus. Also, (as I said earlier in the thread) Heck, just watch Penn & Teller's "The Bible is B#llSh@t" Found here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E Jesus wasn't the only "messiah" during his time! four words False gods and prohets I still fail to see how your belief of "false gods and prophets" somehow erases the facts that their stories were in existence long before the story of your jesus was. |
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I am staying on topic....as the first of the entire OP is Jesus...so I guess talking about Jesus is right on topic I would say.
I don't believe the similarities so I guess I will take it in the direction of satan now and false gods and prophets... It doesn't matter what you believe, these other gods are documented in History,and all were documented prior to Jesus. Also, (as I said earlier in the thread) Heck, just watch Penn & Teller's "The Bible is B#llSh@t" Found here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E Jesus wasn't the only "messiah" during his time! |
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The Winner will be...
... The golfer with the lowest score! 
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personal beliefs
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the issue for me isnt a lack of evidence,its evidence directly against it.look up similarities between the stories of jesus and horus from egyption mythology (several thousand years before) or any other religions.90% are the same at the base. most people dont even know the quran is largly christian gospels just like the new testament. which in itself was only an amalgamation of various stories,commishioned by an emporer to keep the peace. yes yes,i cant be right etc,look it up. i could go on forever but thats all i care to at the moment. how many people have strong beliefs other than religous? I think the funniest thing I have run across, is you get people who will claim that the stories are vastly different, and in no way similar simply because a small part of the story, which really doesn't affect the story at all is different.(Like Jesus' 3 wise men, and Horus' 3 gods) |
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Well darling then look up madamx7315 and ask for yourself...and oh really.....well maybe of better understanding of how God works here. He is the mighty healer, through him anything is possible. It is said that when two or more gather in his name (prayer) that Mighty things happen...Tell the man at my church who the doctors gave months to live not once not twice but 14 different times when different cancers riddled his body. Tell that to me when the Lord healed my breast cancer.....go and ask the doctors that were not only dumbfounded but whose mouths were on the floor....And remember sweet Thomas I am a witness to these miracles so there are no fabrications there are none of what you speak of.
And what about all those people whose prayers go unanswered? What about the countless people who are/were in your situation, or that guys situation, and pray, but nothing happens, or they die quicker than the time they were given? Why doesn't god help all those starving children around the world, if he helped you with cancer? Just because the doctors don't know what happened, doesn't mean that they can't find out, or that it was god. |
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