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Topic: Correspondences between events in Jesus' and Krishna's life:
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Thu 03/19/09 03:13 PM
Krishna is the second person of the Hindu Trinity. He is considered to be one of the incarnations of the God Vishnu. Some Hindus believe that he lived on Earth during perhaps the 2nd or 3rd century BCE. However, "Traditional belief based on scriptural details and astrological calculations gives Krishna's birth" year as 3228 BCE. Yeshua of Nazareth is generally regarded as having been born in Palestine circa 4 to 7 BCE. Thus, if there are many points of similarities between these two individuals, most skeptics and some religious liberals would accept that elements of Krishna's life were incorporated into the legends associated with Jesus rather than vice-versa.


Author Kersey Graves (1813-1883), a Quaker from Indiana, compared Yeshua's and Krishna's life. He found what he believed were 346 elements in common within Christiana and Hindu writings. That appears to be overwhelming evidence that incidents in Jesus' life were copied from Krishna's.

He did report some amazing coincidences:
bullet Yeshua and Krishna were called both a God and the Son of God.
bullet Both was sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man.
bullet Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity.
bullet His adoptive human father was a carpenter.
bullet A spirit or ghost was their actual father.
bullet Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent.
bullet Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star.
bullet Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna's parents stayed in Mathura.
bullet Both Yeshua and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted.
bullet Both were identified as "the seed of the woman bruising the serpent's head."
bullet Jesus was called "the lion of the tribe of Judah." Krishna was called "the lion of the tribe of Saki."
bullet Both claimed: "I am the Resurrection."
bullet Both referred to themselves having existed before their birth on earth.
bullet Both were "without sin."
bullet Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine.
bullet They were both considered omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
bullet Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured "all manner of diseases."
bullet Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead.
bullet Both selected disciples to spread his teachings.
bullet Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners.
bullet Both encountered a Gentile woman at a well.
bullet Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies.
bullet Both descended into Hell, and were resurrected. Many people witnessed their ascensions into heaven.

In addition, there are other points of similarity between Krishna and Yeshua:
bullet "The object of Krishna's birth was to bring about a victory of good over evil."
bullet Krishna "came onto earth to cleanse the sins of the human beings."
bullet "Krishna was born while his foster-father Nanda was in the city to pay his tax to the king." Yeshua was born while his foster-father, Joseph, was in the city to be enumerated in a census so that "all the world could be taxed."
bullet Jesus is recorded as saying: "if you had faith as a mustard seed you would say to the mountain uproot yourself and be cast into the ocean" Krishna is reported as having uprooted a small mountain.
bullet Krishna's "...foster-father Nanda had to journey to Mathura to pay his taxes" just as Jesus foster-father Joseph is recorded in the Gospel of Luke as having to go to Bethlehem to pay taxes.
bullet "The story about the birth of Elizabeth's son John (the Baptist), cousin of Jesus, corresponds with the story in the Krishna myth about the birth of the child of Nanda and his wife Yasoda." Nanda was the foster-father of Krishna.
bullet The Greek God Dionysos, Jesus and Krishna were all said to have been placed in a manger basket after birth.

bullet The author Jacolliot, referring to the "Bagaveda-Gita and Brahminical traditions," states that the body of Krishna: "was suspended to the branches of a tree by his murderer, that it might become the prey of the vultures...[Later] the mortal frame of the Redeemer had disappeared--no doubt it had regained the celestial abodes..."
bullet M. Guigniaut's Religion de l'Antiquité, which states: "The death of Crishna is very differently related. One remarkable and convincing tradition makes him perish on a tree, to which he was nailed by the stroke of an arrow."
bullet There are other references to Krishna being crucified, and being shown with holes in his feet, hands and side.

In the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) Yeshua's crucifixion on a cross or stake is often referred to as being "hung on a tree:"
bullet Acts 5:30: "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus...hanging him on a tree.
bullet Acts 10:39: "...hanging him on a tree."
bullet Acts 13:29: "...they took him down from the tree..."
bullet Galatians 3:13: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."
bullet 1 Peter 2:24: "...who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree..." (All ASV)

The above info comes from:http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jckr1.htm, but lest one think it is just an odd ball site there are many others and many reputable sources (some being manuscripts from christian missonaries) including archaeological evidence on all the sites.

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Thu 03/19/09 03:40 PM
religoustolerance.org is a decent site. it's one of the sites I used for my info on the Egyptian god Horus.

drinker

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Thu 03/19/09 06:23 PM
yeah it's pretty obvious the story of Jesus is just a plagiarizeing of other stories before.
the Jesus story is nothing realy all the special.

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Thu 03/19/09 06:30 PM

yeah it's pretty obvious the story of Jesus is just a plagiarizeing of other stories before.
the Jesus story is nothing realy all the special.


Heck, just watch Penn & Teller's "The Bible is B#llSh@t"

Found here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E

Jesus wasn't the only "messiah" during his time!
laugh

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Thu 03/19/09 06:36 PM


yeah it's pretty obvious the story of Jesus is just a plagiarizeing of other stories before.
the Jesus story is nothing realy all the special.


Heck, just watch Penn & Teller's "The Bible is B#llSh@t"

Found here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E

Jesus wasn't the only "messiah" during his time!
laugh


I have it on DVD very good stuff.
I have all the B#llsh!t boxed sets they are all great.

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Thu 03/19/09 06:57 PM


yeah it's pretty obvious the story of Jesus is just a plagiarizeing of other stories before.
the Jesus story is nothing realy all the special.


Heck, just watch Penn & Teller's "The Bible is B#llSh@t"

Found here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E

Jesus wasn't the only "messiah" during his time!
laugh

Thanks for the link, I haven't seen that. I'm gonna check it out after my zombie movie is over.

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Mon 04/06/09 06:10 PM
You can make a zombie by giving someone Kirari. Its been recorded happening in Haiti and Africa. bigsmile Yes there are a tremendous amount of similarities between Jesus of Nazareth and Krishna. Horus is always the one that blows me away however but I didnt see all of these between him and Krishna. huh

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Mon 04/06/09 08:09 PM

You can make a zombie by giving someone Kirari. Its been recorded happening in Haiti and Africa. bigsmile Yes there are a tremendous amount of similarities between Jesus of Nazareth and Krishna. Horus is always the one that blows me away however but I didnt see all of these between him and Krishna. huh

Wiki says Kirari is a Japanese singer and songwriter. So J-Pop does cause zombism! I knew it! :laughing: I it something similar to "The Serpent and the Rainbow" movie plot?
Seems I have heard of similarities with Horus, but I not taken the time to check it out; I'll have to do that.

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Mon 04/06/09 08:51 PM


You can make a zombie by giving someone Kirari. Its been recorded happening in Haiti and Africa. bigsmile Yes there are a tremendous amount of similarities between Jesus of Nazareth and Krishna. Horus is always the one that blows me away however but I didnt see all of these between him and Krishna. huh

Wiki says Kirari is a Japanese singer and songwriter. So J-Pop does cause zombism! I knew it! :laughing: I it something similar to "The Serpent and the Rainbow" movie plot?
Seems I have heard of similarities with Horus, but I not taken the time to check it out; I'll have to do that.


If you feel like doing some digging, I listed a number of Horus' similarities with Jesus in one of my (many) arguments on here.
Or, you could just use the site you got the info on Krishna from, because that is where I got the info about Horus.

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Mon 04/06/09 09:49 PM
But I also beleive that Jesus is able to make

Himself clear to every people, in ways we know not.

In all different religions, Jesus is mentioned in some way...

if not as THE WAY.

But despite the fact that Jesus is not mentioned as the Way in all different religions,

doesn't mean that God is not able to make the REST OF THE WAY clear...to ALLL people....in ways we know not.

His Ways are Higher than Our Ways.

We are to Just Love ALL people.....and Share the GOOD NEWS of His Love...

and God will do the rest.:heart::heart::heart:

But MOSTLY, we are to LOVE.

NOT Judge.

But LOVE.:heart::heart::heart:

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/06/09 10:27 PM



:heart::heart::heart:

Only Jesus Saves.

ONLY Jesus can CLOSE the BRIDGE ( sin entering in

caused separation) betweeen man and God.

And ONLY Jesus (thru the Holy Spirit ) ,

is able to step inside the human spirit ,

( and make man's spirit BRAND SPANKING NEW)drinker...


and

RECONNECT man

back into

RELATIONSHIP with God !!!!flowerforyoudrinker:heart:flowerforyou


:heart::heart::heart:




Apparently not, since Jesus' story belongs to many other gods, all of which came prior to Jesus.


Yes.....all that was man's way of reaching towards God....

all prior to Jesus coming in the FLESH.....but Ink..you have to remember....

JESUS ALWAYS WAS.flowerforyou

And as for those who sought God, before Jesus coming in the flesh??

Even though they may not have been a hundred per cent right in their understanding of God...

God still SAW THEIR HEARTS....

and did not forget them...

so yes..He also Made Himself KNOWN TO THOSE THAT SOUGHT HIM.....even back then....even before Jesus Came in the flesh.


DON'T put God in a box.

GOD'S Ways are MUCH HIGHER than Man's Ways.
drinker:heart:drinker



Your hypothesis only holds water if the earlier stories were of prophesies, but they were of completely different people or gods. If you want truly live in *truth* you will have to admit that jesus was not original, but more likely the whole story of jesus is just a chrstian retelling of older relgions.

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Mon 04/06/09 10:39 PM
Many myths.....many religions....

all different attempts of

MAN REACHING TOWARD GOD. flowerforyou

BUT....

ONLY JESUS is ........

GOD REACHING TOWARD MAN !!!!drinker:heart:flowerforyou

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Mon 04/06/09 10:42 PM
Edited by Monier on Mon 04/06/09 10:46 PM
Emporer Constantine's things to do list

Control the Christians before they get out of hand with this Jesus thing. :check:

Commision scholars at the Library of Alexandria to put together the first bible. :check:

Kill the scribes who did the work. :check:

Burn Library of Alexandria. :check:

Burn it again just to be sure. :check:

Take over Christianity and dictate how they should believe, kill any blasphemers. :check:

Declare the Holy Roman Empire. :check:


just sayin

that could explain the copying of other religions

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Tue 04/07/09 04:47 AM
Edited by Alverdine on Tue 04/07/09 04:49 AM


You can make a zombie by giving someone Kirari. Its been recorded happening in Haiti and Africa. bigsmile Yes there are a tremendous amount of similarities between Jesus of Nazareth and Krishna. Horus is always the one that blows me away however but I didnt see all of these between him and Krishna. huh

Wiki says Kirari is a Japanese singer and songwriter. So J-Pop does cause zombism! I knew it! :laughing: I it something similar to "The Serpent and the Rainbow" movie plot?
Seems I have heard of similarities with Horus, but I not taken the time to check it out; I'll have to do that.


Well Im not certain on the spelling. You know what Im talking about though correct? Its either Kirari or Kurari. Its some kind of naturally occurring drug that can be used to cause almost a paralysis and it reduces heart rate and blood pressure to the point that people have been pronounced dead when they are in fact still living but in this persistent vegetative state. Yes "Serpent and the Rainbow" was based on it. Its very real however and it is where the origin of the "Zombie" came from initially. Sorry offtopic

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Tue 04/07/09 06:17 AM



You can make a zombie by giving someone Kirari. Its been recorded happening in Haiti and Africa. bigsmile Yes there are a tremendous amount of similarities between Jesus of Nazareth and Krishna. Horus is always the one that blows me away however but I didnt see all of these between him and Krishna. huh

Wiki says Kirari is a Japanese singer and songwriter. So J-Pop does cause zombism! I knew it! :laughing: I it something similar to "The Serpent and the Rainbow" movie plot?
Seems I have heard of similarities with Horus, but I not taken the time to check it out; I'll have to do that.


Well Im not certain on the spelling. You know what Im talking about though correct? Its either Kirari or Kurari. Its some kind of naturally occurring drug that can be used to cause almost a paralysis and it reduces heart rate and blood pressure to the point that people have been pronounced dead when they are in fact still living but in this persistent vegetative state. Yes "Serpent and the Rainbow" was based on it. Its very real however and it is where the origin of the "Zombie" came from initially. Sorry offtopic


Still offtopic
According to the author of the book which the film was based on, the two ingredients used were Tetrodotoxin(Symptoms of TTX poisoning range from numbness and nausea to paralysis, unconsciousness, and death) and datura (Datura has a long history of use for causing delirious states and death. It was well known as an essential ingredient of love potions and witches' brews).

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Tue 04/07/09 06:43 AM
Edited by feralcatlady on Tue 04/07/09 06:45 AM
Now also this is not to say that you can't believe in whatever it is you want to...you can.....as for me...There is only one way......And through only one.....Jesus Christ whom God himself declared as his one and only.

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Tue 04/07/09 07:01 AM
I thought he was god? How can he be made by god and god at the same time? huh :wink:

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Tue 04/07/09 07:05 AM
Edited by Alverdine on Tue 04/07/09 07:12 AM




You can make a zombie by giving someone Kirari. Its been recorded happening in Haiti and Africa. bigsmile Yes there are a tremendous amount of similarities between Jesus of Nazareth and Krishna. Horus is always the one that blows me away however but I didnt see all of these between him and Krishna. huh

Wiki says Kirari is a Japanese singer and songwriter. So J-Pop does cause zombism! I knew it! :laughing: I it something similar to "The Serpent and the Rainbow" movie plot?
Seems I have heard of similarities with Horus, but I not taken the time to check it out; I'll have to do that.


Well Im not certain on the spelling. You know what Im talking about though correct? Its either Kirari or Kurari. Its some kind of naturally occurring drug that can be used to cause almost a paralysis and it reduces heart rate and blood pressure to the point that people have been pronounced dead when they are in fact still living but in this persistent vegetative state. Yes "Serpent and the Rainbow" was based on it. Its very real however and it is where the origin of the "Zombie" came from initially. Sorry offtopic


Still offtopic
According to the author of the book which the film was based on, the two ingredients used were Tetrodotoxin(Symptoms of TTX poisoning range from numbness and nausea to paralysis, unconsciousness, and death) and datura (Datura has a long history of use for causing delirious states and death. It was well known as an essential ingredient of love potions and witches' brews).


Isnt that Kurari though? huh Im having no luck looking up "Kurari" because Im not sure if that is the correct spelling so I cant link the two together. There seems to be very little written on it.

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Tue 04/07/09 07:16 AM
Jesus was fully God in human form. Paul said, "He is the image of the invisible God...in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell." John said that Jesus created the world. Peter said, "every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

But what did Jesus say about himself? Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of his statements made while on earth, in their context.
Is Jesus God? How he implied he was God:

The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59)

"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)

And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)

And so when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments, and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet." (John 13:12-14)

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)

Is Jesus God? How he described himself:

Jesus therefore said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." They said therefore to Him, "Lord, evermore give us this bread." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:32-35)

Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life." The Pharisees therefore said to Him, "You are bearing witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true." Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true; for I know where I came from, and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from, or where I am going." (John 8:12-14)

Jesus therefore said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they might have life, and might have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep." (John 10:7-11)

Martha therefore said to Jesus, "Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. Even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You." Jesus said to her, "Your brother shall rise again." Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" She said to Him, "Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world." (John 11:21-27)

Is Jesus God? What he said he was sent here to do:

But Jesus called them to Himself, and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. It is not so among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave; just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:25-28)

For He was teaching His disciples and telling them, "The Son of Man is to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him; and when He has been killed, He will rise three days later." But they did not understand this statement, and they were afraid to ask Him. (Mark 9:31-32)

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:16-18)

"All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:37-40)

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Tue 04/07/09 07:41 AM
Edited by Alverdine on Tue 04/07/09 07:42 AM
Well Im just posting this as a different opinion from a theologian and not to start an argument.

The orthodox doctrine is logically impossible. As Huston Smith, scholar of comparative religion, points out, it would not have been logically impossible if the creed said that Jesus was somewhat divine and somewhat human. But this is expressly what the creed denies. For orthodox Christians, Jesus cannot possess only some human qualities; he must possess all. He must be fully human. At the same time, he cannot possess only some divine qualities; he must have all. He must be fully divine. This is impossible because to be fully divine means one has to be free of human limitations. If he has only one human limitation then he is not God. But according to creed he has every human limitation. How, then, can he be God? Huston Smith calls this a blatant contradiction. In his book The World’s Religions, he writes:

We may begin with the doctrine of the Incarnation, which took several centuries to fix into place. Holding as it does that in Christ God assumed a human body, it affirms that Christ was God-Man; simultaneously both fully God and fully man. To say that such a contention is paradoxical seems a charitable way to put the matter — it looks more like a blatant contradiction. If the doctrine held that Christ was half human and half divine, or that he was divine in certain respects, while being human in others, our minds would not balk.

If it was said that Jesus was partly human and partly divine that would not be logically impossible but only scripturally impossible. The Bible nowhere teaches that Jesus was divine in any way. Furthermore, if he was only partly divine then he was not the One True God of the Old and New Testaments. God is All-Powerful, not somewhat all-powerful; God is All-Knowing, not somewhat all-knowing.

C. Randolph Ross is a Christian. In his book Common Sense Christianity he debunks the orthodox view “not because it is difficult to understand,” he says, but because “it cannot meaningfully be said.” He rejects it because “it is impossible,” he says. His arguments are so persuasive that I can do little better than just repeat them. To be human means to be limited, lacking in knowledge, prone to mistakes, imperfect. To be God means just the opposite: unlimited, complete in knowledge, infallible, perfect. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say of one person that he was both. Either he was one or the other.


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