CLV Zechariah 12:12
And the land will bewail, family by family alone: The family of the house of David alone, and their wives alone; The family of the house of Nathan alone, and their wives alone;


Strong's

H4023 Mgiddown meg-id-done'

(Zech. H12 or Mgiddow {meg-id-do'}; from H1413; rendezvous; Megiddon or Megiddo, a place in Palestine.

Probably at your local church.

Strong's

G717 Armageddon ar-mag-ed-dohn'
of Hebrew origin (H2022 and H4023);

Armageddon (or Har-Meggiddon), a symbolic name.

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Strong's

H2022 har har
a shortened form of H2042;

a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively).


Often when a word is used figuratively it represents an idiom.


I have been studying the Scriptures since 1969. Much longer than 30 years. And I am not ordained, so I don't carry that ego with me.

I have worked with scholars on the NT and was involved in a Biblical Research center. I also went to Moody.

I am not sure why anyone here would need to criticize this man's qualifications for a mate.

I once met a woman at a Health Club. She said she would never date a man who wasn't in good shape or athletic.

As Christians aren't we supposed to follow what Jesus tells us?

CLV Matt 7:1 Do not judge, lest you may be judged

Thanks you.

I just think it is an important subject.

Oh. You mean a Christian would never read the Bible and follow what it says?

Wait. Didn't you say you were done here?

There is no "hell" in the Scriptures.

There is no Ancient term for "hell."

There is no arguing that because it is true.

There are no contradictions in the Scriptures. Only faulty translations.

In order for something to be good it has to be good for something.




Good show. Funny.

Fornication - An Unscriptural Term

Much like "hell" the word "fornication" was made up by the Catholic church as yet another means to help them control the populists of Europe. The definition wasn't all that clear many years ago, so the church would use this term as it saw fit. Even today the definition can get a bit fuzzy...

Merriam-Webster
consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other

The Bible Encyclopedia
“The Greek word for ‘fornication’ (porneia) could include any sexual sin committed after the betrothal contract. …In Biblical usage, ‘fornication’ can mean any sexual congress outside monogamous marriage. It thus includes not only premarital sex, but also adultery, homosexual acts, incest, remarriage after un-Biblical divorce, and sexual acts with animals, all of which are explicitly forbidden in the law as given through Moses (Leviticus 20:10-21). Christ expanded the prohibition against adultery to include even sexual lusting (Matthew 5:28).” (Dr. Henry M. Morris)
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/fornication.html

Dictionary.com
Idolatry.

The Free Dictionary
adultery, infidelity, unfaithfulness, extra-marital congress or relations or sex, living in sin, extra-curricular sex (informal), pre-marital congress or relations or sex Fornication is a crime in some American states.

Can you see some of the contradictions here?

But the real confusion lies in the practical use of the word. Many people feel it describes a certain type of sex. For example, some believe "fornication" means oral, or **** sex. Some think it means sex with animals. Some feel it involves what we call "toys" or ropes. Some think it is about dominance or submission.

It seems it all depends on who you talk to.

Today the Catholic church uses the word to help with their lists of immorality. Often times this word will be added to a list that the Catholic church wants to make look horrible. In many cases, if we are to believe that "fornication" simply means "consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other," the term is redundant.

AV Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

If we are to believe the bible it seems that the words "fornication" and "adultery" are two different and unique terms. Not the same thing at all.

So what does the word "fornication" really mean?

Much like the term "hell" "fornication" is used to substitute a different word from the Scriptures. Just as "hell" is used to substitute 4 different words, so is "fornication used to substitute 4 different words.

These are...

porne? That means prostitute (Revelation 19:2 uses porne)

porneia? is Prostitution (1 Cornithians 7:2 uses porneia)

porneuo? is committing prostitution (1 Cornithians 6:18 uses porneia)

pornos? that is a male prostitute, which might be knows as a Gigolo today (1 Corinthians 6:9 uses pornos)

I list these as examples only.


The word "fornication" is used in the KJV 36 times, 4 times in the OT and 32 times in the NT. I would like to concentrate on the NT use of this word.

Matthew 5:32
Matthew 19:9
John 8:41
Acts 15:20
Acts 21:25
Romans 1:29
1Corinthians 5:1 (2)
1Corinthians 6:13
1Corinthians 6:18 (2)
1Corinthians 7:2
1Corinthians 10:8
2Corinthians 12:21
Galatians 5:19
Ephesians 5:3
Colossians 3:5
1Thessalonians 4:3
Jude 1:7
Revelation 2:14
Revelation 2:20
Revelation 2:21
Revelation 9:21
Revelation 14:8
Revelation 17:2 (2)
Revelation 17:4
Revelation 18:3 (2)
Revelation 18:9
Revelation 19:2

Prostitution is a business transaction, where money is exchanged for sexual services. This practice (called the oldest profession) was so popular in Rome that there was a street named after it. Prostitution in Ancient Rome was legal and licensed.

Prostitution was big business in Rome. So why would it be so strange that Paul was addressing this widespread problem?

By restoring the word "Prostitution" to the Scriptures and eliminating the word "Fornication" we can see that the church has very little to say about mankind's sexual activities.

Adultery is defined as a married person having sex outside of his/her marriage.
Virginity is also defined in the OT.
But there is really nothing that says two people who are in love cannot have sex.

Unless, of course, you are willing to say that every woman who has ever given herself to a man is a Prostitute.

Are you?

Fornication is a word that did not exist when the NT was being written.

Actually, I am Christian.

I study the Scriptures in Ancient Greek and Hebrew.

So one might say I am closer to being a Christain than anyone you have probably meet.

However, this is not about the topic at hand.

OK. Tell me something...

Where does it say you are promised free will?

If not from the Scriptures, where did you get the idea that God promised Free will?

It is true that the Bible has no opinion of it's own. But it's authors did.

Those of us who are interested in the Bible might want to participate in this forum, even if you don't.

Why is it so important to you that we agree?

CLV Matt 10:34 You should not be inferring that I came to be casting peace on the earth. I did not come to be casting peace, but a sword.




Of course, you are. None of your recent comments are about the topic. You are making false accusations. It sounds like you are here to start trouble.



That's not what Jesus teaches...

CLV Matt 12:34 Progeny of vipers! How can you be speaking what is good, being wicked? For out of the superabundance of the heart the mouth is speaking.

I don't agree.

The Bible, for Jews and Christians, has a very specific purpose.

The OT was designed to help mankind evolve. To return, if you will, to what we were before we fell.

The NT was designed to help us tune into Christ Jesus and His Spirit of Truth. It acts like a tuner from a radio...

CLV Rom 10:17 Consequently, faith is out of tidings, yet the tidings through a declaration of Christ.

For some, religion is an exercise to help mankind become better. But this type of improvement, without His guidance, is what we call Humanism. Man's idea of the best that he can be.

Perhaps our Creator might have some idea of what we were intended to be.

Religion was mostly a collection of superstitions with few exceptions. Of course, the "religions" of Israel were the exceptions.

Literally, it is translated as "DREAD-demonism."

BlakeIAM...

You have proven nothing here. But you keep trying to make this about me, and it's not. The topic is about the term "hell."

If you have nothing to say about the topic, maybe you need to post elsewhere.

CLV Matt 7:13 Enter through the cramped gate, for broad is the gate and spacious is the way which is leading away into destruction, and many are those entering through it.

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