From Morrie99999


This will be a two-part answer. What is the end and how the Bible handles it.

The answer to this question is wrapped up in one word... "eon." This word shows up in the Bible 340 times and is usually mistranslated.

AV Matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

AV Gal 1:5 To whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

There is no "end of the world." Our Earth will be here for a very long time to come.

But the concept of eternity eluded ancient man. It eludes most of us today. So eternity is not mentioned in the Bible.

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G165 aion ahee-ohn'
from the same as G104;

properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future). Compare G5550.

"Properly, an age."

There are two words that we must concern ourselves with. The Ancient Koine Greek term 'aion' and the Ancient Hebrew term 'olam.' These two are actually the same word, but coming to us in different languages.

_____Strong's_____

H5769 `owlam o-lawm'
or lolam {o-lawm'};

from H5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always. Compare H5331, H5703.

This explains the concept of time beyond our reasoning of time. A thousand years or two thousand years might seem like an eternity. It is because we have such a short lifespan in comparison.

An "eon" or an "age" might seem like forever, but it does have a beginning and an ending.

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Daniel 2:21-45

In the book of Daniel, the king saw a vision of a great statue. This statue was broken up into several eons or time periods. The head of gold represented the Empire of Babylon. The silver chest represented the Medo-Persian Empire. The belly of copper represented the Greek empire. The iron legs represented the Roman Empire, it's Eastern and Western divisions. The iron and clay feet and toes of clay. These all represent "ages" or "eons" of time beyond our own comprehension. Oh, we can count the years. But it is just math to us. A thousand years is meaningless to us, who live 75 plus years if we are fortunate.

CLV Dan 2:32 The image's head is good gold, its chest and its arms are silver, its belly and its thighs are copper,
33 its legs are iron, its feet, part of them are iron, and part of them are clay.

These all represent the time of the Gentiles and their kingdoms. We live in the last portion of this man even now. Yet even though a rock shall pulverize these kingdoms, no one will be killed.

CLV Dan 2:35 Then pulverized, as one, are the iron, the clay, the copper, the silver, and the gold, and they are as chaff from summer threshing sites, and the wind lifts them up, and no place at all is found for them. And the stone that collides with the image becomes a vast mountain range, and fills all the earth.

This represents the destruction of the authority of the Gentiles. The vast mountain range that will fill the earth is what we often call the Millennium. We are told it is 1000 years long...

CLV Re 20:2 And he lays hold of the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the Adversary and Satan, and binds him a thousand years.

CLV Re 20:4 And I perceived thrones, and they are seated on them, and judgment was granted to them. And the souls of those executed because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who do not worship the wild beast or its image, and did not get the emblem on their forehead and on their hand--they also live and reign with Christ a thousand years.

Now I know there are those who will cite 2Peter 3:8 and try to defend the KJV's mistranslation. And, of course, you may believe whatever you choose to. But I tell you this word "forever" is used in error. And a thousand years is still not forever.

One more thing. In order to be "forever" is must also have no beginning. If the Millennium has a beginning, it will also have an end.

There is one more point I wish to make on the "end of the world" KJV mistake. 100 years ago and beyond our English term, "world" had yet another meaning to it. It used to mean "age." This is where we get the expression, "they are worlds apart." It means they are ages apart and often refers to a "May/December" relationship. Perhaps an old man with a young woman?

This definition is what we call an obsolete definition, and has not been in use since about 100 years ago. The KJV translated it "end of the world" and it was never changed.

Look for part two of this thread.

Please feel free to ask any questions you might have.

What makes more sense?

I just wanted to take a look at how the KJV handles the words 'olam/aion' in their English version.

In Ancient Greek, the concept of eternity is only expressed in the negative. Unending or endless might be an example (Heb.7:16). It is expressed from the term AKATALUTOS. APERANTOS, another Greek term, is probably the strongest expression of duration. Yet it is only used in relation to the genealogies (1Tim.1:4). AIDIOS appears twice (Rom.1:20, Jude 6). It's meaning is perpetual or imperceptible. Yet these too, have their limits.

In Hebrew, LOULM VOD is used to convey eternity. The L is like our "for." The V stands for "and." The word OULM means "obscure." And OD is "further." Taken together literally it says, "for (the) obscure and further. Another rendering is, "For the age and further." Another Hebrew term is NTZCH. It is used in the titles to the Psalms. Often it is rendered "the chief Musician." But a closer rendering is "permanent." The idea comes from the root word "glazed," as glazing something assures a permanence. It is seen again in Jeremiah 8:5, as the people of Jerusalem, are seen in a "perpetual" backsliding. Certainly not endless.

1. There can be many ages, but only one "forever."

Forever can only be singular. No knowledge of the Ancient languages is necessary to know this. A plural form of the word would be impossible. And yet the plural form is used frequently...

AV Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Here the term 'age' cannot mean 'forever' in the absolute, or else it's plural form would make it meaningless. Imagine what this verse might say if 'aion' was translated as 'forevers.'

AV Col 1:26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints

For further proof, again this verse would make no sense if 'aion' was translated 'forevers.'


2. 'Forever' and/or 'eternity' has no beginning.

And yet the Scriptures clearly discusses a time before 'eternity'...

AV 1Cor 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

AV 2Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

AV Tim 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began

As another act of irreverence, the term 'world' here is substituted for the plural form of 'aion.'

If the word 'aion' truly meant 'world' why just carry that significance here? Why not consistently translate it as 'world' throughout the Scriptures?


3. How can there be an end to 'eternity?'

The Scriptures talk about the end of 'aion.' Does 'eternity' have an end?

AV Matt 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

The term 'world' again becomes a stand-in for the concept of 'forever.' This harvest is at the end of forever. So says the KJV.

AV 1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Evidently, the 'world' has more than one end, as the Ancient Greek term 'aion' is, again, in it's plural form.

This shows that the eons not only have an end, but many ends rather than not any at all (as in 'forever').

AV Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now this one is kinda tricky. The first usage of the term 'world' is actually correct. 'World' is representing the Ancient Greek term 'kosmos.'

However, the second usage of the term 'world' is once again rendered from the Ancient Greek term 'aion.'

Once again, in this verse, the term 'aion' is in it's plural form. This proves that the translators have not been true or consistent to the sacred text.

We also know that the world does not end when the Lord appears, neither did the ages end.

This verse is yet another proof that the 'eons' have an end and do not last 'forever.'

“The Hebrew servant whose ear was bored became a bondman ‘for ever,’ that is, for life (Ex.21:6) . . . .

‘For ever’ in 1 Chronicles 22:10 covers the forty years of Solomon’s reign; in 1 Kings 8:13 and 9:3, it is the time when the temple was in existence . . . .

Further passages such as Ecclesiastes 1:4 and Psalm 78:69 which speak of the earth abiding ‘for ever,’ when compared with passages such as Matthew 5:18, 2 Peter 3:7-10, Revelation 21:1, make evident that the ‘for ever’ of both the Psalmist and Ecclesiastes is coeval with the continuance of the present earth, from its making in Genesis 1:3-31 to its dissolution in Revelation 21:1

Is Christ's reign forever, or for an age?

AV Re 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Here the KJV clearly states that His reign will be forever. I am still not sure how adding another 'and ever' will make forever any longer.

In contrast...

AV 1Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Here the KJV clearly states that Christ will reign TIL ...etc. Which means that His reign will end. More on this...

AV 1Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

If the Son is subjected, then He is not reigning, is He?

We can not have it both ways. Either His Reign will last for ever (and ever?) or it ends with Him being subjected to God.

Now some might say that the reason Christ's reign will last forever is because He is part of some type of trinity. That God and His Son are one and the same. I would question this type of response. If God and His Son are the same individual, then why does the Son need to reign, and then give up this reign. If God reigns in the end, why not let Him reign from the beginning?

Let us look to a more sane rendering...

CLV Re 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning into/for the eons of the eons! Amen!"

YLT Re 11:15 And the seventh messenger did sound, and there came great voices in the heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of the world did become those of our Lord and of His Christ, and he shall reign to the ages of the ages!'

In this light the answer is clear. Jesus Christ will reign until he delivers up the Kingdom to His Father. The Eons of the Eons (or Ages of the Ages) describes a particular eon.

Paul describes time as 5 eons. We near the completion of the Third Eon (or age) and will be entering the Fourth Eon. Some believe that we have already entered the Fourth Eon.

The Fourth Eon is often called the Millenium as it's duration is described in...

CLV Re 20:4 ...they also live and reign with Christ a thousand years.

CLV Re 20:6 ...but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will be reigning with Him the thousand years.

Once again the Scriptures make a distinction between God and Christ. This is the eon that Jesus talked about when He promises a type of Life that we do not have here...

CLV John 10:10 ... I came that they may have life eonian, and have it superabundantly.

This life will only be available when Jesus returns and judges us all.

And as this life is designed to last 1000 years, during this time we will be charged with the task of overcoming death...

CLV 1C 15:26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.

Paul calls death an enemy. Death shall be destroyed during this Fourth Eon.

More examples that should not be ignored.

Scholars use three methods to discover the meaning of an ancient word.

1. Etymology, Lexicography, and Usage.

1. Etymology - Basically it is tracing the meaning of a word back to it's origin, or, in our case, at least to Biblical times. Many Christians consider this practice to be evil, simply because they don't know how to do this, and misuse it. Many seem to think that if a word meant something a few hundred years ago, we should be able to use it for Biblical words. But this is not the case.

The word "hell," for example, is from the KJV. In that English version, it means "grave," "pit," and "hell." Some seem to think that these words are interchangeable, and can be used in any verse. But just because the KJV has it's own rules doesn't make it right.

For example, the Ancient Hebrew term 'sheol' is the place for the dead. It is where the soul goes after death, in a figurative sense. There are no bodies in 'sheol,' only souls. And no spirits either. Therefore it cannot mean "grave" or "hell," as "hell" implies a certain type of soul.

2. Lexicography - This word simply means to look it up in a Bible type reference book. A lexicon, concordance, or whathaveyou.

In the earliest dictionary (Hesychius, 400 - 600ad) the Ancient Greek term 'aion' means...

"The life of a man, the time of life."

I am not sure this can be applied to the Bible, but it might fit very well in Plato's writings.

I believe that we are living in a time of willful ignorance. I feel that if people don't start educating themselves, humanities time is limited. but the planet will be here for possibly another billion or so years.

Well, I don't study Bibles, not interested...

My take on religious "Last Days" refers to the concept of society's "Last Days", not the end of the Earth or the human species.

Religions are a social construct. Religious societies rise and fall as people continue to gain knowledge.
The religious societies right now are very different from the ones 50 and 100 years ago. There are similarities in doctrine but tolerances have changed to the point that if someone from 100 years ago were to look at their religion today, they would likely feel their religious society is now gone.

"Last Days" could be how those religious societies are changing during your current lifetime. You 'see' old values being lost.

Many will focus on the conditions happening in the world around them and claim they are "Last Days" events but most of those events are always happening but we are better able to document and track them now. Granted some things are getting worse, like weather patterns and loss of life during natural disasters but this is the result of over-population.

Personally I don't think the human race is in its last days but I do believe we are over-populated to the tipping point of self-destruction.
We are really good at being fruitful and multiplying. A little too good.

One thing that really gets me is the fact that people tend to look for the negative. When one looks for the negative, they 'see' negative things.
I look for the positive. I see many good things in the world around me.
I don't live in a world of fear, doom & gloom.

if we go by scriptures, we must key on did certain prophecies take place, did certain events within these prophecies take place, and so forth.

it's like going to a play and having an outline of all the scenes before watching them being acted out.

and if we take every prophecy within the Hebrew scriptures and the New Testament scriptures, we find only 3 to 5 remain yet to be fulfilled. it is quite amazing that so many prophecies have actually been fulfilled in the same mannerism as it was prophesied.

but there are key prophesies that correlate to the end of time.

1. Israel becomes a recognized nation [this took place in 1948]

2. the Jews returning back to their homeland [since 1948, over 9 million Jews have relocated back to].

3. the Jews will begin worshipping like they did in the Old Testament, or since 70 A.D. when the temple was destroyed.

4. the Jews will rebuild their Temple [today - the Jews have petitioned the United Nations FOUR times to rebuild the Temple and been denied] BUT [they have everything made and can be put together within 2 weeks] AND [they have a replica Temple 10 miles from where the Old Temple once stood and have been going back to Mosaic traditions].

5. they have officially elected a High Priest for this new Temple from the lineage of the Levites and are preparing for when their Temple can be rebuilt on original ground.

6. Jews finally accepting Yeshua [today, we have MESSIANIC JEWS - this is very big in end time prophecies].

7. nations are going to a cashless society and taking chips into their hands that act like credit cards [the BEAST is the System] [how do you buy bread, go to market, medical = ALL of this equals the system by which you buy bread, go to a doctor, go to stores, go out to eat, ect] SO [once we are 100% cashless = we will be in the SYSTEM or the BEAST]….and just a reminder...SWEDEN has already been transferring into a cashless system. Australia claims it will be by 2020, France by 2021...SO, we are heading there].



THESE ARE JUST 7 PROPHECIES COMING TRUE THAT REPRESENT END OF TIMES!!



but the biggest key, is when all of the believers of God DISAPPEAR. the rapture. this will open the door to the antichrist. but as long as true followers of Yeshua exist and pray, the world will remain until Yeshua fulfills HIS PROPHECY of returning!!

but as of now, 7 of the 10 key prophecies representing end of times is currently happening!!

this means, the other 400 prophecies written have been 100% fulfilled.

so, if 400 PROPHECIES HAVE BEEN ACCURATE AND FULFILLED, it's safe to conclude the next 10 will also happen!!

Does it really matter? I mean we are all going to die sometime, the how and when is undetermined...whether it's a gods wrath, a virus, the sun blows up, none of it really matters because there's nothing anyone can do about any millions of ways the world could end...enjoy it while you can, everything alive is going to die one way or another when it's their time...

in a sense, no, it does not matter. but, if you believe in God and God is the real cause, then it more than matters, it confirms everything you have put your faith and beliefs into. it confirms prophecy, scripture, and confirms Satan is real, and what is instore for him is instore for those who chose to not believe!!

ok..but your still dead..

whatever gets you to sleep at night..

one thing is for certain, i am either correct or incorrect in concerning myself with God. if i am correct, then the best is still yet to come. if i am incorrect, i will be pushing up the daisies and become a bed of worms. only time will tell.

but like i do with scientific theories in how i break them down to see how valid they are, i did the same with the God of Abraham. i just honestly believe He is real and exists. that is what it really boils down to

The Rapture implies all believers will disappear before the end times.
If you disappear you will not witness the end times.
So, if you are a believer and are still here, it is not yet the end times.

Religion sets worthiness for those taken at Rapture.
It plays on the fears of being left behind to endure the end times.
So, if we are in the end times and you are witnessing them you have already been left behind.

Its another manipulation of religion to get you to conform to their beliefs.
An induced head game you play yourself.
Its the focus of every single religion that comes to my door (I do listen to them, they don't listen to me).
They try to instill their fears in me by quoting scripture and associating events with the end.
When I reply that I don't see what they see, they either repeat themselves multiple times or suddenly need to get going.

Again, if the Rapture is true then why are they still here during the end times?
I've been told that the Antichrist has already been born and is acting now. When I ask who that is, they can't name any names. But they will attempt to point fingers at His works.

What ever happened to the crazy sandwich board guy's who used to walk the streets saying the end is nigh?

I was gunna say, seems like a double edged sword...either you spend your last few minutes happy as hell, or confused as hell...but the good thing is, it shouldn't last but for a few minutes max...

We sleep until the Resurrection.

CLV 1Cor 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed,
52 in an instant, in the twinkle of an eye, at the last trump. For He will be trumpeting, and the dead will be roused incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality.
54 Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory.
55 Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?

I don't read scriptures...just say what you have to say, if I wanted to read the bible again I would...

This thread is about the word "eon" and how it relates to the Bible.

yea, but I can read a bible anytime I want, a forum is for disscussion, not copying biblical quotes and scriptures...the bible has no opinion, you do...