You really think so? Or do you really think they even give two rats about anything beyond their own greed? You're wrong if you do, because they don't, they'd rather the state itself die, all they care about is power, nothing more or nothing less. I'll ask again, if all this money, income tax or otherwise goes to where they say it does, why is this country in such piss poor shape? They get so much damn money from taxes and license fees, etc etc, but they always need more, ever notice that? Ever ask yourself why?

Time to wake up from your slumber.......all is not what it appears to be.

Yes I do and when I said that I mean it goes to the debt, and then it's gone, it can't go anywhere else because it's spent before it can get there.

Yes exclusively, it goes to the debt before being spent on anything else.....tell me something if this money goes to where they say, why is everything in such poor shape for? Where is that money going? And why aren't they being held accountable for the missing money, millions of it a year? If we are found to be defrauding them we have the book thrown at us, but they get pass, why? Why are they held to a different standard from everyone else? Why is there no accountability?

Face facts man, the system is rigged.

It's only chaos if one is afraid to have to take actual responsibility for themselves instead of relying on laws to do it for them.

And please stop with the idea that in a free society, there is no consequences or no boundaries, that's totally twisting the argument to support you. Of course someone can't kill someone, rob from them, or in any other way do them harm, and there is a natural consequence and boundary there....no one is saying those restrictions shouldn't be in place. But those are the ONLY ones that need exist, when it comes to personal rights, none should.

Finally, if you believe life means others get to tell you what is acceptable based on their own personal bias, well frankly you deserve to be a slave, because you bring it on yourself by letting that stand. Again I will say to you......who is TRULY the ego centric people? The ones wanting to be free personally, or those that wanna control them?

and thus you consent to your own enslavement......when you give someone the right to tell you can do something, you give them the right to tell you you can't as well. Only way to be truly free is never to give someone such authority that is unwarranted. Don't do that and you agree to be a slave, no matter if you know it or not.

then you accept the open slavery of others based on the whim of people who are more worried about what others are doing than what they are, and in the end you may be accepting slavery of yourself too, whether you believe it or not matters little.

and second, if people have to agree what a right is......then no rights exist, and you don't know what the term really stands for.

lol gotcha. How often would you hear from them when you started to opt out?

IF they can afford it and if they don't have a record......it's not as simple as you make it out to be.......and that's not even counting the family side of moving. You make it sound so easy, but fact is it's not.

And to me citizen rights should be paramount. Just because you don't like what someone is doing doesn't give you or anyone else the right to tell them they can't so long as them doing so isn't infringing on your rights in so doing. You wanna talk about the citizen being the center of the universe? I think the idea that YOU can dictate another's behavior just cause you disapprove is more reflective of that than them just trying to live their lives how they choose to live them.

They aren't telling you how to live, but you are trying to tell them how.....so who is really ego centered here, the people that are just trying to live their life, or those trying to take power over others?

tell more about your story Just, would be curious to hear just how you talked to them, I've always wanted to try something like what you speak of here.

That's quite true, Jeannie even refers to it here, the actual text describes as a voluntary tax......which by definition means we can opt out if we so choose. But yeah best I understand there is no definitive law that says you MUST pay, and if you try to ask them that you won't get an answer because they can't answer without incriminating themselves.

I'd say at times you know........but that's just me.

You missed my point! If no one is willing to raise the kid properly, is it fair to put the child through that suffering if it can be helped? That is what I was trying to say, nothing more.

Bottom line though is, these gun laws will not really help anyone, if anything it will RAISE crime since law abiding people will have a harder time getting a gun. If we care about keeping ourselves safe, let those at most risk carry. Nuff said.

why is that irrelevant? SOMEONE has to raise the kid, it doesn't just come able to raise itself! If someone can't handle it and no one else wants to, what good is that gonna do for anyone? The kid will lead a ****ed up life because of it, is that fair to it to be burdened with that because of the mistakes of the parent? If it can't be raised properly, it almost is better off not existing really from that perspective.

I don't think abortion should be used as an easy out for not being responsible for yourself that said, but......I think the topic of what happens to these unwanted kids is VERY relevant, it will shape the rest of their lives.

Her point was, no matter WHAT the law is, someone will break it if they want to, it's naive to think that because of a law someone will suddenly change.

Not to mention spending income tax money on ****ing STAR TREK parodies like a different post here alludes to. It's ridiculous and theft.

why should they be getting a cut of ANY of the income we make though? even 9 percent or a flat tax is too much. They didn't do a damn thing to earn that money, what right do they have to take it?

How hard is it to understand that it's not fair to treat them as second class citizens just cause of who they choose to be with? That it's ok for you to go out with your wife or gf on a date, but they can't? And by the way, they are not forcing you to hide your relationship, so don't even try that argument, you are the only one forcing anything here, not them.

This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good.

So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this.....