Income tax, how stupid is this idea?

We go out and get a job and work and earn a paycheck and the government feels they deserve a cut.

Why?

We pay for roads and schools through other taxes. We pay fees and fines and buy permits for everything and now they want a piece of our earned income.

THIEVES THEY ARE.

Income tax was said to be "voluntary."

Well, I think people should unvolunteer.

Federal governments have to have some way to pay for federal services.

It would be great if they would spend more on our troops!

They already have. They print money. Um... no, correction: They get the FED to print the money and then they borrow it and pay interest on it.... Um... no, they make us, the tax payers pay it with....

guess what?

INCOME TAX.

It's an illegal tax in the first place anyway, the states never officially ratified it, not enough of them anyway. So it's not just theft, it's illegal altogether.

The banksters and lunatics are running the country.

I am still in favor of the 999-tax plan. 9% income, 9% capital gains and 9% sales. Also it should be written that congress can’t pick and choose what to raise taxes on that all have to be the same percent that way they can’t slowly raise taxes by picking and choosing.

I did a forum once on some of the things our Government has wasted our money on. The main problem it congress likes to give lobbyist federal dollars, after all the congress wants their support and vote.

why should they be getting a cut of ANY of the income we make though? even 9 percent or a flat tax is too much. They didn't do a damn thing to earn that money, what right do they have to take it?

That's right. They deserve exactly NONE.

Check out how much it costs per hour to fly Air force 1.
Find out how much money the Obama's spend for their trips.

Its a crime.

Not to mention spending income tax money on ****ing STAR TREK parodies like a different post here alludes to. It's ridiculous and theft.

In a fully free society, taxation—or, to be exact, payment for governmental services—would be voluntary. Since the proper services of a government—the police, the armed forces, the law courts—are demonstrably needed by individual citizens and affect their interests directly, the citizens would (and should) be willing to pay for such services, as they pay for insurance.

The question of how to implement the principle of voluntary government financing—how to determine the best means of applying it in practice—is a very complex one and belongs to the field of the philosophy of law. The task of political philosophy is only to establish the nature of the principle and to demonstrate that it is practicable. The choice of a specific method of implementation is more than premature today—since the principle will be practicable only in a fully free society, a society whose government has been constitutionally reduced to its proper, basic functions.


Any program of voluntary government financing has to be regarded as a goal for a distant future.

What the advocates of a fully free society have to know, at present, is only the principle by which that goal can be achieved.

The principle of voluntary government financing rests on the following premises: that the government is not the owner of the citizens’ income and, therefore, cannot hold a blank check on that income—that the nature of the proper governmental services must be constitutionally defined and delimited, leaving the government no power to enlarge the scope of its services at its own arbitrary discretion. Consequently, the principle of voluntary government financing regards the government as the servant, not the ruler, of the citizens—as an agent who must be paid for his services, not as a benefactor whose services are gratuitous, who dispenses something for nothing.


n view of what they hear from the experts, the people cannot be blamed for their ignorance and their helpless confusion. If an average housewife struggles with her incomprehensibly shrinking budget and sees a tycoon in a resplendent limousine, she might well think that just one of his diamond cuff links would solve all her problems. She has no way of knowing that if all the personal luxuries of all the tycoons were expropriated, it would not feed her family—and millions of other, similar families—for one week; and that the entire country would starve on the first morning of the week to follow . . . . How would she know it, if all the voices she hears are telling her that we must soak the rich?

No one tells her that higher taxes imposed on the rich (and the semi-rich) will not come out of their consumption expenditures, but out of their investment capital (i.e., their savings); that such taxes will mean less investment, i.e., less production, fewer jobs, higher prices for scarcer goods; and that by the time the rich have to lower their standard of living, hers will be gone, along with her savings and her husband’s job—and no power in the world (no economic power) will be able to revive the dead industries (there will be no such power left).

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/taxation.html

Yes, don't pay tax and watch your country become mediaeval in no time. What a great idea.

I LOVE paying my income taxes! As I drive around this great land of ours I feel privileged to live in such a beautiful place with so many friendly people. I feel safe and secure. I'm more than happy to make my small contribution every year.

And I enjoy getting my refund.

Our 'income tax' goes exclusively towards paying the interest on the national debt.

If the country defaults on the national debt, then people should stop paying income tax.

Myself, I'd be more than happy to give whatever extra I make in income tax, whether it be a nickel or a million dollars a year. If I didn't spend it, I obviously didn't need it. I would consider it my DUTY to give my surplus to my nation if it served the good purposes of supporting and building infrastructure, providing free medical care, food, shelter, clothing & assistance to those in need, etc.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way...Billions are spent on bombing & killing innocent people I have nothing against and padding the swiss accounts of corrupt government officials to the profit of corporations that provide more harm than good with their "goods & services", while my own countrymen lie in want and living in fear, mostly of the tax that robs from the poor (and kills them too) to give to the rich.

Obviously something doesn't add up!...The books are way out of balance, and it's time to reconcile them and make it work the way it is supposed to. It really isn't hard to do...All you have to do is ask a few questions. Case in point:

I'm determined to reform Canada's economic system. I want to turn it into a social credit economy. Of course I'll never achieve that with petitions, campaigns, etc., so I'm going to achieve it thru the income tax system.

I haven't filed a tax return in years. The last time they bothered me, I asked a simple question: "Where did I incur an obligation to file?" The government doesn't want to answer that question, and it's been a fun game of cat and mouse ever since, because the government is "Sylvester" and I appear to be the "giant mouse" he keeps trying to beat up. Needless to say, Sylvester isn't doing too well...I think it's time I stopped playing with him.

Someone told me once, and I have no way to verify it,
but they said there is NO law saying one has to
pay income taxes.

That's quite true, Jeannie even refers to it here, the actual text describes as a voluntary tax......which by definition means we can opt out if we so choose. But yeah best I understand there is no definitive law that says you MUST pay, and if you try to ask them that you won't get an answer because they can't answer without incriminating themselves.

The truth is a little more complicated, because it's hidden in a tangled web of deception that snares the unwary, but even though I haven't read your Almerican legislation, I can guarantee you that your friend is correct. All anyone has to do is refute certain key presumptions of law (easy to do)...The trick (that will get you crucified if you don't know it) is knowing which ones.

The safest course is to eliminate all the presumptions you've been making yourself...Are you a citizen? How do you know?...How do you know you don't become one until you say you are?

Let me tell you about a (hypothetical?) conversation I (may have) had just the other day:

Me: Where did I incur an obligation to file?
"Them": Look...I know for a fact that if you would only file, you have a considerable sum of money coming back!
Me: Thanks for telling me that, but that isn't what I asked...Where did I incur an obligation to file?
"Them": The INCOME TAX ACT section such&such, paragraph so&so!!
Me: What's the Income Tax Act got to do with me?
"Them": YOU'RE A CITIZEN AREN'T YOU??!!
Me: What makes you think that?
"THEM": WE MAY HAVE TO froth, froth, mumble mumble &*#@(*^%...if you haven't filed by April 30th!!! I'm sending you a LETTER to that effect!!!! (*click*...*dialtone*)
Me: Hello?...Hello?

I'm having a ball with these nice people, It really surprises me that everyone else is afraid to join the party.

tell more about your story Just, would be curious to hear just how you talked to them, I've always wanted to try something like what you speak of here.

You're asking a duck what you should do?...OK...You asked for it...be friendly, calm, totally reasonable and ask sensible questions...in fact (most importantly) ask ONLY questions and make absolutely no claims or statements.

Within a minute or two, you'll have THEM quacking and ranting incoherently, just like my cousin Donald when he's pissed...I guarantee it.