Geeeeeeeeez!!! what? what would you have done?

my thoughts also

nope - the first is to our incapabiltiy of perceiving in this reality

the second is our ability to see it in a parnormal reality, which you don't believe in i presume, but i do. if you expieriment with the paranormal maybe you will understand the concept - try to think of it as a dog or cat having perceptions of things beyond what we have only with paranormal its even much more the case.

THNX for your post CS.

Fla. teen commits suicide with live Web audience
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Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print By RASHA MADKOUR, Associated Press Writer Rasha Madkour, Associated Press Writer – 36 mins agoMIAMI – A college student committed suicide by taking a drug overdose in front of a live webcam as some computer users egged him on, others tried to talk him out of it, and another messaged OMG in horror when it became clear it was no joke. Some watchers contacted the Web site to notify police, but by the time officers entered Abraham Biggs' home — a scene also captured on the Internet — it was too late.

Biggs, a 19-year-old Broward College student who suffered from what his family said was bipolar disorder, or manic depression, lay dead on his bed in his father's Pembroke Pines house Wednesday afternoon, the camera still running 12 hours after Biggs announced his intentions online around 3 a.m.

It was unclear how many people watched it unfold.

Biggs was not the first person to commit suicide with a webcam rolling. But the drawn-out drama — and the reaction of those watching — was seen as an extreme example of young people's penchant for sharing intimate details about themselves over the Internet.

Biggs' family was infuriated that no one acted sooner to save him, neither the viewers nor the Web site that hosted the live video, Justin.tv. The Web site shows a video image, with a space alongside where computer users can instantly post comments.

Only when police arrived did the Web feed stop, "so that's 12 hours of watching," said the victim's sister, Rosalind Bigg. "They got hits, they got viewers, nothing happened for hours."

She added: "It didn't have to be."

An autopsy concluded Biggs died from a combination of opiates and benzodiazepine, which his family said was prescribed for his bipolar disorder.

Biggs announced his plans to kill himself over a Web site for bodybuilders, authorities said. But some users told investigators they did not take him seriously because he had threatened suicide on the site before.

Some members of his virtual audience encouraged him to do it, others tried to talk him out of it, and some discussed whether he was taking a dose big enough to kill himself, said Wendy Crane, an investigator with the Broward County medical examiner's office.

A computer user who claimed to have watched said that after swallowing some pills, Biggs went to sleep and appeared to be breathing for a few hours while others cracked jokes.

Someone notified the moderator of the bodybuilding site, who traced Biggs' location and called police, Crane said.

As police entered the room, the audience's reaction was filled with Internet shorthand: "OMFG," one wrote, meaning "Oh, my God." Others, either not knowing what they were seeing, or not caring, wrote "lol," which means "laughing out loud," and "hahahah."

An online video purportedly from Biggs' webcam shows a gun-wielding officer entering a bedroom, where a man is lying on a bed, his face turned away from the camera. The officer begins to examine him, as the camera lens is covered. Authorities could not immediately verify the authenticity of the video, though it matched their description of what occurred.

Montana Miller, an assistant professor of popular culture at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, said Biggs' very public suicide was not shocking, given the way teenagers chronicle every facet of their lives on sites like Facebook and MySpace.

"If it's not recorded or documented then it doesn't even seem worthwhile," she said. "For today's generation it might seem, `What's the point of doing it if everyone isn't going to see it?'"

She likened Biggs' death to other public ways of committing suicide, like jumping off a bridge.

Crane said she knows of a case in which a Florida man shot himself in the head in front of an online audience, though she didn't know how much viewers saw. In Britain last year, a man hanged himself while chatting online.

In a statement, Justin.tv CEO Michael Seibel said: "We regret that this has occurred and want to respect the privacy of the broadcaster and his family during this time."

The Web site would not say how many people were watching the broadcast. The site as a whole had 672,000 unique visitors in October, according to Nielsen.

Miami lawyer William Hill said there is probably nothing that could be done legally to those who watched and did not act. As for whether the Web site could be held liable, Hill said there doesn't seem to be much of a case for negligence.

"There could conceivably be some liability if they knew this was happening and they had some ability to intervene and didn't take action," said Hill, who does business litigation and has represented a number of Internet-based clients. But "I think it would be a stretch."

Condolences poured into Biggs' MySpace page, where the mostly unsmiling teen is seen posing in a series of pictures with various young women. On the bodybuilding Web site, Biggs used the screen name CandyJunkie. His Justin.tv alias was "feels_like_ecstacy."

Rosalind Bigg described her brother as an outgoing person who struck up conversations with Starbucks baristas and enjoyed taking his young nieces to Chuck E. Cheese. He was health-conscious and exercised but was not a bodybuilder, she said.

"This is very, very sudden and unexpected for us," the sister said. "It boggles the mind. We don't understand."

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Associated Press Writers Jessica Gresko and Lisa Orkin Emmanuel and the AP News Research Center in New York contributed to this report.

S = ∞ [infinite creation]

S = ∞ [infinite creation]

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Tribo, why are you talking to funch? He has not even posted in this thread.

And you had me convinced that Source always vibrates and now you are saying that there are 'times' or 'universes' where it does not vibrate.





when i say source doesn't vibrate I'm meaning it does not or is not producing something we can perceive with our normal senses as creative matter.[that was being directed at funch], that however does not mean it is NOT producing matter that we can not perceive. This came about from your challenging me to think past my previous held view that there could possibly be nothing somewhere in infinity. when i realized what you meant, then it became obvious that i was limiting my thinking to what i could perceive instead of what was possible to be perceived para normally or by other entities that had the ability to perceive different than us.

Even a dog or cat can perceive things i cant.

so with this in mind as i went over in my mind about nothing not existing i realized i meant nothing i or others could perceive normally - which lead to - BUT - "what if?"

THEN it all fell together that source was always vibrating and bringing forth creative material BUT it was not always possible for me or others to perceive it - just like the so called empty space between the stars etc., that we can perceive. Is there something there besides vacuum? of course there is - but we are not able to perceive it - its either to small, to far apart, or invisible or of other dimensional matter not sensed by our limited perceptions.

THEN finally i could see source as being in every dimension, universe, etc., acting just as i had always believed it acted. you removed my blinders to see past my own perceptional limitations i spoke of and put me into the paranormal state of rationalizing what source really was.

Now my new E=MC2 - is:

Source = infinite vibrations at all times at infinite levels, in all dimensions and all universes throughout all space and time whether we percieve it or not.

or:

S = ∞ [infinite creation]

when i say source doesn't vibrate I'm meaning it does not or is not producing something we can perceive with our normal senses as creative matter.[that was being directed at funch], that however does not mean it is NOT producing matter that we can not perceive. This came about from your challenging me to think past my previous held view that there could possibly be nothing somewhere in infinity. when i realized what you meant, then it became obvious that i was limiting my thinking to what i could perceive instead of what was possible to be perceived para normally or by other entities that had the ability to perceive different than us.

Even a dog or cat can perceive things i cant.

so with this in mind as i went over in my mind about nothing not existing i realized i meant nothing i or others could perceive normally - which lead to - BUT - "what if?"

THEN it all fell together that source was always vibrating and bringing forth creative material BUT it was not always possible for me or others to perceive it - just like the so called empty space between the stars etc., that we can perceive. Is there something there besides vacuum? of course there is - but we are not able to perceive it - its either to small, to far apart, or invisible or of other dimensional matter not sensed by our limited perceptions.

THEN finally i could see source as being in every dimension, universe, etc., acting just as i had always believed it acted. you removed my blinders to see past my own perceptional limitations i spoke of and put me into the paranormal state of rationalizing what source really was.

Now my new E=MC2 - is:

Source = infinite vibrations at all times at infinite levels, in all dimensions and all universes throughout all space and time whether we percieve it or not.

or:

S = 0 [infinite creation]

you can read the rest on his post why does god have aneed to create if you want - its downhill from here - hahaha as is the usual case with funch.

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"Tribo" if it is unseen and incomprehensible to the human senses then explain how you know it's there ...if you can't ..then doesn't your description falls more into the realm of paranoid schizophrenia



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Nope - it falls into the realm of paranormal insight.



sorry "tribo" but remember your words below


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TRIBO SAID:
they exist but we are not able by our limited perception to know it. Neither you or i are capable of seeing, feeling, etc.



"Tribo"..that "etc".. means your paranormal insight equates to paranoid schizophrenia

that is what always happen when a person tries to make their God unseen unreachable and incomprehensible to the human senses ..they in fact disproves the existence of that God and enter delusion

this is from his post on god having a need to create i suggested that my god - source had no needs thus my post.

yes source does vibrate at all times but there are infinite or various vibrations going on all the time and at some levels of vibration in my opinion nothing is being created. as i said to funch, its like on call but not producing at the time but always ready to do so.

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this "no thing" people keep referring can only apply to unawareness and not to conscious or pantheist Gods

because once something notice that they exist in the realm of "no thing" they instantly become "A thing" or "that thing"

this is symbolized with the phrase "I AM" which represents awareness and in turn presses the fact that "no thing" no longer exist





Yes they do but not in the realm of perception as we know it - they exist but we are not able by our limited perception to know it. Neither you or i are capable of seeing, feeling, etc. all vibrations even though they exist. Therefore source exist whether were capable of being aware of its existance or not. This is not the traditional gods of men, this is the source of all matter and energy, and all else by means of vibrational occurence, it is source. No desires or emotions, no agenda's, no needs in the human terms of needs, it is simply that which brings forth creation.

Nah, i was created with a pair just like you - still in good working order. Just not as large as 2 chrome steel Jupiter's like yours funch.

The force/source is not chaotic, but is unemotional in that respect, as i said creative only, bringing into existence that material necessary for creation. [including the biblical god] It's not a matter of lack of control, control is not necessary, for source to do what it does. If you want to think of him as a deadbeat dad - be my guest.
source could care less what anyone thinks. This thought is past string theory i don't believe in string theory, it is about vibrations waves/particles. And yes it is something i put thought into - i am not a scientist. that's why i said JMO.

Yes time was there but has nothing to do with the process of creation. No thing can exist if you understand no thing to mean - no created substance, [objects as we are able to understand or perceive with our limited senses]

Source is always there/everywhere. Think of it like this funch, they say we only use 10% of our brain [whether that's really the case or not - so does that mean the other 90% does not exist? No it means we cant see at this point its possibly active in some way Were not able to detect yet.

But we have our sight and touch etc, to be able to detect this 90% exist. Source is similar to that concept, but still not actually like that per se'.

Source exist everywhere at all times but is not vibrating [bringing forth creative material] everywhere at all times, thus it would "seem" [if you were able to see infinity] that there was nothing going on is some areas of infinity.

but source is still there, just not active on a level of vibration that is creating anything new[things objects] there at present. Think of it as being on call for active duty, your their ready to go when necessary waiting to be called to create when the signal is given - what is the signal? I haven't the foggiest.

It remains a vibrational source at all times in all universes and dimensions whether it is actively creating new dimensional objects[things] or not.

If you find flaws withe concept then disreguard, im not pushing it on anyone , it satisfies my need to understand, whether you or others may think it's delusional or not. now go back to talking about the book god and have fun. I'm out of here -

God does not have a need to create funch, he can't help but create - it is why he exist. at least my god. creation is the biggest part of his make up, he only does what he does because he is a creative force/source. Think of him as an infinite amoeba, that keeps dividing into more of himself - bringing more material into existence - or - as a vibrational entity that that brings forth an infinite number of vibrational frequencies of which some our senses are able to perceive. though most we are not.

In some of the universes we are now just becoming aware might exist outside our own, he is dormant - meaning no vibrations are taking place.

in those areas no thing exist, but here and others they do, though we cant see them as of yet. where there is vibration there are things.at some point this reality we experience will cease vibrating and other areas will begin to, and some type of reality will continue forever.
As to the biblical god - he is no more to me than a creation a vibrational being, but not THE SOURCE/FORCE. JMO

Well if he does he can print it just like we do - and it will be just more worthless paper.

Im With JB on this i think -well illpost what iposted to funch in a bit and then you can tear it apart. -

He mkes himself an easy target -

he ought to try to post under an assumed name - oh wait!!

he is doing that already -

your all crazy!!! theres a big mean ole god up there thats gonna get you one day and beat the livin P**s out of all of you if you dont change your ways!! Especially Abra!!

I and you are capable funch, if you haven't then it's because your not interested in doing so. your just deciding to remain normal, not para.

i explained my meaning of us as normal not being able to perceive, its useless to keep bringing it up, it can only be sensed in the PARA-normal. And in the paranormal it is sensed by the mind, not by the senses. but nice try.