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side bars on left will say chritian - click, Apocrpha books, click and a list containing book of enoch should be there [donot confuse with prophecies of enoch] the book of enoch was written in 1917 by R.H. charles.

Sorry Funch - I'm a non-prophet orginization.

""That's why I don't discount the bible at all..""


So your selling it at full price then?

it's mostly prophecies and parables and contains fragmentsof the book of noah, quite interesting, puts a diff. spin on things as to what the accepted bible says.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, >>>>prophesied<<<< of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Now show me where in the old testament where these words were spoken by ENOCH??
they were not - thus they had to come from his prophecies in his book later written down which paul and the apostles as well as jude and others and also jesus himself were aware of!!

So if those filled with the spirit of christ speak of enochs prophecies, why was the book left out?

Il tell you why it doesn't jive with the other books, did god build the ark or did noah? it will tear the fabric of the church apart to include Enoch. it doesnt fit there agenda!! I speak of those in charge who have purpotrated such things upon the sheep.

enough said.

CHAPTER LXVII. of the fragment of the book of noah contained within the book of enoch:


1. And in those days the word of God came unto me, and He said unto me: 'Noah, thy lot has come up before Me, a lot without blame, a lot of love and uprightness. 2. And now the -

>>>>angels are making a wooden (building),<<<<

and when they have completed that task I will place My hand upon it and preserve it,

and there shall come forth from it the seed of life, and a change shall set in so that the earth will not remain without inhabitant. 3. And I will make fast thy seed before me for ever and ever, and I will spread abroad those who dwell with thee: it shall not be unfruitful on the face of the earth, but it shall be blessed and multiply on the earth in the name of the Lord.'

Dont confuse this book with the book called Enoch the prophet. this is the book of Enoch.

thats great RT, but think i'll wait till the "F" Sword version comes out, maybe they will add the bok of ENOCH back in as well of the rest of the books they have left out - then we can discuss how much that changes the meaning of what most christians think they know and understand of the book the way it is published now.

It would make for some hair rasing discussions don't you think?

Enoch: Ark built by >>god,<< not by "Noah"? just to name one.

how will they explain that one?

yet Jude talks of Enoch as gods prophet? HMMM??

well if jude - a contemporary of paul, james, peter, etc.. read it and quotes it - why is it gone?

google and download the book of enoch and read it my friend - then compare and ask why?

sure is - thnx for your input.

I'm sure - sorry i beat you to it -

And rightly so my dear James - wiccans have there own thread now!!

excerpts from said discussion on other thread - something exist.


S=Cx infinity

God does not have a need to create, he can't help but create - it is why he exist. at least my god. creation is the biggest part of his make up, he only does what he does because he is a creative force/source. Think of him as an infinite amoeba, that keeps dividing into more of himself - bringing more material into existence - or - as a vibrational entity that that brings forth an infinite number of vibrational frequencies of which some our senses are able to perceive. though most we are not.

In some of the universes we are now just becoming aware might exist outside our own, he is dormant - meaning no vibrations are taking place.

in those areas no thing exist, but here and others they do, though we cant see them as of yet. where there is vibration there are things.at some point this reality we experience will cease vibrating and other areas will begin to, and some type of reality will continue forever.
As to the biblical god - he is no more to me than a creation a vibrational being, but not THE SOURCE/FORCE. JMO

The force/source is not chaotic, but is unemotional in that respect, as i said creative only, bringing into existence that material necessary for creation. [including the biblical god] It's not a matter of lack of control, control is not necessary, for source to do what it does. If you want to think of him as a deadbeat dad - be my guest.
source could care less what anyone thinks. This thought is past string theory i don't believe in string theory, it is about vibrations waves/particles. And yes it is something i put thought into - i am not a scientist. that's why i said JMO.

Yes time was there but has nothing to do with the process of creation. No thing can exist if you understand no thing to mean - no created substance, [objects as we are able to understand or perceive with our limited senses]

Source is always there/everywhere. Think of it like this funch, they say we only use 10% of our brain [whether that's really the case or not - so does that mean the other 90% does not exist? No it means we cant see at this point its possibly active in some way Were not able to detect yet.

But we have our sight and touch etc, to be able to detect this 90% exist. Source is similar to that concept, but still not actually like that per se'.

Source exist everywhere at all times but is not vibrating [bringing forth creative material] everywhere at all times, thus it would "seem" [if you were able to see infinity] that there was nothing going on is some areas of infinity.

but source is still there, just not active on a level of vibration that is creating anything new[things objects] there at present. Think of it as being on call for active duty, your their ready to go when necessary waiting to be called to create when the signal is given - what is the signal? I haven't the foggiest.

It remains a vibrational source at all times in all universes and dimensions whether it is actively creating new dimensional objects[things] or not.

If you find flaws with the concept then disreguard, im not pushing it on anyone , it satisfies my need to understand, whether you or others may think it's delusional or not. now go back to talking about the book god and have fun. I'm out of here -

Yes they do but not in the realm of perception as we know it - they exist but we are not able by our limited perception to know it. Neither you or i are capable of seeing, feeling, etc. all vibrations even though they exist. Therefore source exist whether were capable of being aware of its existance or not. This is not the traditional gods of men, this is the source of all matter and energy, and all else by means of vibrational occurence, it is source. No desires or emotions, no agenda's, no needs in the human terms of needs, it is simply that which brings forth creation.

yes source does vibrate at all times but there are infinite or various vibrations going on all the time and at some levels of vibration in my opinion nothing is being created. as i said to funch, its like on call but not producing at the time but always ready to do so.

when i say source doesn't vibrate I'm meaning it does not or is not producing something we can perceive with our normal senses as creative matter.[that was being directed at funch], that however does not mean it is NOT producing matter that we can not perceive. This came about from your challenging me to think past my previous held view that there could possibly be nothing somewhere in infinity. when i realized what you meant, then it became obvious that i was limiting my thinking to what i could perceive instead of what was possible to be perceived para normally or by other entities that had the ability to perceive different than us.

Even a dog or cat can perceive things i cant.

so with this in mind as i went over in my mind about nothing not existing i realized i meant nothing i or others could perceive normally - which lead to - BUT - "what if?"

THEN it all fell together that source was always vibrating and bringing forth creative material BUT it was not always possible for me or others to perceive it - just like the so called empty space between the stars etc., that we can perceive. Is there something there besides vacuum? of course there is - but we are not able to perceive it - its either to small, to far apart, or invisible or of other dimensional matter not sensed by our limited perceptions.

THEN finally i could see source as being in every dimension, universe, etc., acting just as i had always believed it acted. you removed my blinders to see past my own perceptional limitations i spoke of and put me into the paranormal state of rationalizing what source really was.

Now my new E=MC2 - is:

Source = infinite vibrations at all times at infinite levels, in all dimensions and all universes throughout all space and time whether we percieve it or not.

or:

S = Cx‡ [infinite creation]

boy do i know that feeling -

see last two pages of jeannieBeans post "something exist' this will give you a good idea of why i posted this.

see last two pages of jeannieBeans post "something exist' this will give you a good idea of why i posted this.

The purpose for each purpose in doing so maybe?

i understand your stance on this and will respect it.

i'd rather have an honest answer than one that's not.

Refer to the post above your last one- keep refering to it, read it over and over, breath it - memorize it, replace your greasy food with it, get back to me when it affects you in a way where you no longer respond such. then we can talk.

A better question you might ponder submitting would be -

"Why does funch have a need to create post asking why the book god has a need to create?"

you pose a question that makes it seem like your interested i an answer and then spend days trying to refute any post made to explain this or anything else you ask questions of?

you dont want answers funch, it's just a mental exercise to sharpen your debating skills and prove to yourself that your brand of logic can stand up to what ever answers are given.

when your finally to a point wher you really want answers they will come.

But if you were??

Source = creation times infinity

SOURCE= C X INFINITY

what does that mean to you??