ok but faith alone is empty, you can make anyone believe anything with faith.


"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . We need believing people."


-Adolf Hitler

I saw a light appear on my wall when I was 7. It was the middle of the night and completely dark. I could stand in front of it and wave my arms around and there was no shadow so I know the light was coming from the wall. Strangely it did not scare me.

The second strange occurrence was waiting in line to sit in a stand to see a show at a park. It was 3 days before my 11th birthday and I was with my parents. I said I did not want to sit in this stand as I knew it was going to collapse. I had a very strong feeling about it. After 15 minutes of complaining to my parents we went and stood in line for the other stand. The stand we were originally going to sit on collapsed mid way through the show.
http://www.jsfnet.co.uk/series_knockout_tv_1982.htm

I have also had a couple of out of body experiences about two years ago. One time I was seriously depressed, thinking about death and I realized that I was staring at the back of my head; I could see myself sitting on the couch. As soon as I realized this I went whoosh right back into my head. The next time was a few months later. I was driving home down I40 and was suddenly up in the air and could see for miles ahead of me. All I could hear was wind, no car noise. I had a feeling of elation for about a minute and was then back in the car.

In retrospect the last experience was very very scary. And before anyone asks, no it wasn't drugs.

and the worst part is that im going back there this thanksgiving,so im kinda freaking out that it might happen again

like from almost under one eye... on a diagonal.... across the teeth (all exposed) down to the opposite side of the face no skin only bone. I hope that makes sense.

Does seeing 11:11 and 4:44 multiple times sometimes every day for a couple of weeks count?

Like even now. Recent posts one of my topics has 4 replies and has been seen 44 times.

444

meh

I don't know what you would call these, but twice I have had the same experience. For a whole day I keep seeing a person's face and it just won't stop. The next day I find out they have passed away.

ah he was short... maybe under 5'... couldn't tell features... but what striked me was that the lower half of his skin was gone and was down to bone in a diagonal. Granted this was a ghost, I was freaked out, but I don't feel freaked out now. I was just mainly felt surprised, not really scared or sensed anything bad.

but what striked me was that the lower half of his skin was gone and was down to bone in a diagonal.

She said she smelled him and could feel his presence. She was very angry at him and their relationship was a violent one. He was a very violent man and was murdered. There was no visible or verbal contact. No one else smelled anything but everyone felt the icy cold.

Ah! a good one! when I was like 12 or 13... doing some weird bring forth a spirit into someone thingy by having them lay down and rubbing their temples. And the person that we were doing it on wanted us to do the devil. And in the middle of it, the radio came blaring on... and the song was 'this magic moment'


Totally serious!

Scared the crap out of us... and all of swear we didn't touch the remote and none of us wanted to turn the radio off even though it was extremely loud!

less than a month ago, I saw a ghost. A male figure from out of the corner of my eye until I completely turned my head from where I am sitting now. Scared the crap out of me for about 15 minutes.

I only had one that I could be sure of. My friends and I were doing a sort of seance. After a while of nothing happening the room suddenly got icy cold. It was summer time in California and we did not have the air conditioning or a fan on. Besides, the air was not moving. I have never felt a sensation like that. Within a minute I got very ill, feeling dizzy and a bit nauseated. I laid my head down on the table and apparently during this time one of the women made some kind of contact with her deceased husband. I did not see or hear that as I was trying not to pass out.

I laid down on the floor and felt just fine in about 10 minutes.

to me they are not paranormal anymore.. they are just normal. I have had many since my brother passed away 11 years ago.

So if someone says that the earth is round because we have a mountain of evidence that it is and someone else says I believe and have faith that it is square they are both right?
Because faith is as strong as evidence?

nah! only half @ss attacks! LOL she runs up, half @ss claws my half and jumps down.... walks away looking behind her at me with a disgusted look! LOl

Well she's my cat... I guess I shouldn't expect any other attitude than that! LOL


Oh and begging? should this be taken off the thread and into email?

My bad.

So I assume you mean this:

Well I still have to differentiate. There are self-determined reasons based on analytical evaluations and there are stimulus-response reactions that do not include any reasoned thought at all. So I assume you’re talking about some stimulus-response reactions since the analytical reasons would necessarily be different for each individual and situation.

I believe that seeing a person in need of help stimulates mechanisms in the mind. Those mechanisms then react to create and build up emotion and sensation in the body. The person then acts to either alleviate the emotion/sensation if it is unpleasant, or to enhance it if it is pleasant. This process could be called either “instinct” or “compulsion”, depending on whether you’re talking about animals or humans. Whether it manifests as a "desire to help" or a "fear of danger" or a "revulsion for blood" would be determined by the emotion/sensation generated by the stinulus-response mechanism in each person's mind, which in turn would determine how they would act in the specific situation.

But in any case, it is a purely stimulus-response reaction without thought of any kind (however the person may attempt to justify their actions). And it is completely different from a reasoned, analytical evaluation that arrives at an ethical or moral choice.

Ir someone is going to push for something to be taught in school, or even want it to be takin seriously at all they should be able to show some evidence of it.

Christian fundamentalists want creationism/intelligent design taught in science classes along side the theory of evolution. The problem is, as far as I can tell, no creationist has ever come up with a scientific theory of creationism let alone found evidence to support it. Most creationists spend their time trying to poke holes in the theory of evolution, however this is not a theory. My challenge to creationists is to come up with an observable, testable theory or hypothesis based on a fundamentalist interpretation of Genesis using emperical facts and evidence and without relying on faith or supernatural intervention. I am familiar with the work of AIG and Hovind and so far niether of them have been able to do this. Just to clarify, I will provide some definitions, and I welcome any creationists who do not agree with my definition to come up with their own.

Scientific Theory:

An explanation of why and how a specific natural phenomenon occurs. A lot of hypotheses are based on theories. In turn, theories may be redefined as new hypotheses are tested. Examples of theories: Newton's Theory of Gravitation, Darwin's Theory of Evolution, Mendel's theory of Inheritance, Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/res/res-glossary.html

A hypothesis that is widely accepted by the scientific community.
www.ametsoc.org/amsedu/WES/glossary.html

a statement that postulates ordered relationships among natural phenomena.
farahsouth.cgu.edu/dictionary/

The most logical explanation of why things work the way they do. A theory is a former hypothesis that has been tested with repeated experiments and observations and found always to work.
jmsscienceweb.tripod.com/vocabulary.htm

A theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific theories must be falsifiable"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


Hypothesis:

A tentative proposal made to explain certain observations or facts that requires further investigation to be verified.
www.stjude.org/glossary

a tentative explanation for an observation or phenomena that can be tested through experimentation.
www.carm.org/evolution/evoterms.htm

a tentative explanation for a set of facts which can be tested by further investigation
hub1.worlded.org/docs/lowell/PHYSICS.htm

oh I beg to differ! My cat is crazy and attacks me for no reason! Just because she has 'tude!

I have no clue Sam.

I'm in total agreement with you. Religion has nothing to do with it. Some of the most compassionate people I've met have been atheists.

My sister is extremely compassionate. She cries just hearing that some completely stranger was hurt. She's a complete atheist.

So having compassion has nothing to do with religion or a belief in god.

And clearly there are people who are less compassionate, indifferent, and those are are actually quite sadistic, cruel and heartless.

So it's not a trait that all humans share.

I do believe though, that the vast majority of people are compassionate.

Everyone always says how bad things are. But I just don't see it. The overwhelming vast majority of people are nice. It just looks bad becasue the news is constantly reporting the nasty crap that far less than 10% of the actual population of planet Earth causes.

About 90% of the people you meet will tend to be nice.

I mean, let's face it. If one in ever 10 people you meet is nasty, you're going to notice and remember those nasty ones, and completely forget about the passive 90% of people who just passed you by and smiled.

Yet, it's truly a very small percentage.

In fact, going by crime statistics, it's truly less than 1% of people who actually commit 'violent' crimes.

That means that one in every 100 people you meet might be a truly violent person.

If you meet a thousand people you're bound to run into at least 10 truly violent criminals.

And that's only 1% of the world's population.

Clearly the vast majority of people on Earth are nice compassionate people.

The world is not nearly as violent as people make it out to be. If it was you wouldn't be able to go out shopping and feel safe.

Of course, if you live in a high-crime district you might not be able to do that anyway. But I'm speaking in global terms.

Truly 99% of the world's population is non-violent in serious ways.

That's a pretty darn good number I think.

What are people expecting? Perfection?