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yeh, im not saying it couldn't be done, but i dont think its slam dunk case by any means. form a legal point anyway. maybe will see if it goes that route or not. i think it would be a precedent case if so. It would be a tough case, no doubt about it. But, once I realized that the defendants would be people out of state I realized it would be impossible. It can't happen. Oh well. I hope they never get a decent night's sleep again. what would be sad is if they did. |
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a developemental behavior - hmmm?
a "variable" developemental behavior? |
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It was criminal solicitation and if they could convict those guys of it I bet they could convict in this case if they had written (i.e. online posts) evidence of what the people said. Of course, you'd have to have someone in the DA's office to care enough to go after this. Plus, I just thought of this, we are talking about people out of the state and/or country. That could be a big problem in charging anyone. yeh, im not saying it couldn't be done, but i dont think its slam dunk case by any means. form a legal point anyway. maybe will see if it goes that route or not. i think it would be a precedent case if so. |
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I'm sorry, but some of the responses here make me sick. To those who would have done nothing I wonder, if it was your child, your brother, your spouse, if you would feel the same--if you would have been content knowing that I sat there and watched all of this like I was taking in a home improvement show? Perhaps you would (which is scary in its own right) but this is NOT about assisted suicide and there would have been nothing to indicate that this young man was near death from an unrelated disease or condition. I would have called 911 and done my best to stop it because a number of conditions are treatable or at least manageable. Since suicide is an irrational act (in most cases) it stands to reason that sane and rational thought is outside of the person's control. For that reason, a call to the police (no matter the outcome) is the responsible thing to do. It's also a moral imperative. It isn't about whether or not the police arrive in time or whether or not the young man really "meant" to kill himself. It is about recognizing putting out the fire that is burning your neighbor's house and it is about doing the right thing even when the outcome is not promised. This is not a religious issue for me nor is it a distorted view of the world that casts me or any of you in the role of savior. It is about seeing a human being in so much pain, in so much hopelessness that the ending of life seems the best way to proceed. To sit and watch that, not to be bothered by that enough to reach for a phone or e-mail a Webmaster? I don't get that. I really don't. -Drew THNX Drew, I'm with you on that, it is to me a moral obligation also no matter who or what or where. if nothing else it's my trying to see who would be a neighbor to me or i to them. it's nice to know who would help you or visa versa should something happen. though i do see others points on this, i don't personally agree with them, we all have our reasons why we do or don't do things. some may see it as being intrusive, i see it as being concerned. and not from a religious point at all. just a human point. Tribo---I understand your point. Thanks for allowing all to express their opinions. I just have a tough time with a lot of the people (not people here at Mingle) who were actually encouraging this guy to go through with it. That some people have nothing better to do with their time but encourage a person to OD on drugs is really quite sad. -Drew 
Depression fueled suicide is preventable. I anybody is interested, here's a link to the signs. It would be good if every body knew them. Good job, Drew! 
http://www.save.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=705F4071-99A7-F3F5-E2A64A5A8BEAADD8
thnx for that NN |
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To encourage a depressed or suicidal person to commit suicide is murder in my opinion. Too bad you can't get them on criminal charges. Although maybe you can. there was that movie years ago with Jodie Foster where she was gang raped in a bar while several of the patrons egged the perpetrators on. They eventually charged those who did not actually rape her, but encouraged the ones who did. I thought that was based on a true story. it was based on a true story - dam good movie to!! a little diff. here though, i'm not sure of how it can be brought to trial, seeing as they did no personal harm - maybe mental anguish? leading to even more serious desperation? i dont know? those who egged him on im talking of. hmmm? Biggs announced his plans to kill himself over a Web site for bodybuilders, authorities said. But some users told investigators they did not take him seriously because he had threatened suicide on the site before. tribo: this is the hard part. Some members of his virtual audience encouraged him to do it, others tried to talk him out of it, and some discussed whether he was taking a dose big enough to kill himself, said Wendy Crane, an investigator with the Broward County medical examiner's office. TRIBO: and here we see at least 3 diff. reactions, for those who tried to "talk him out of it" they should have spent their time trying to do as we have spoken of but their young and not thinking straight so its easy to give hindsite, but even when i was young i would have done more personally if the web had exisited then. as to the others if he had threatened it before - its kinda the boy crying wolf syndrome though it doesn't say he did this multiple times - its a hard call and most of all a needless tragedy to say the leat, hopefully all will learn from this but i hate that cliche' !! |
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wHAT IS THIS MORAL OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED? WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??
I don't equate "moral obligation" with "desire to help". Moral obligation is a result of having agreed to follow a set of rules. Morals are simply rules or laws. The “agreement to follow” is the obligation part. On the other hand, “desire to help” is a result of ethics, which is distinctly different from morals. Ethics are the personal choices we make to contribute to (or detract from) the welfare and/or happiness of ourselves and others. So one could help others because of an agreement that that is the thing one should do. Or one could help others because one thinks that helping them would increase one’s own welfare and/or happiness – or at least mitigate a decrease. fine Sky, call it what you will - but read what i just posted to abra and answer. |
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WHY DO WE FEEL THE NEED TO HELP EACH OTHER?
Because contrary to what the Bible claims, we're actually nice. 
WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??
I've personally seen animals exhibit campassion and caring. They probably don't go into it in depth simply because of their mental limitations to dwell on things in great detail. But I have definitely seen animals exhibit concern over the anguish of another animals, and over the anguish of humans. I've seen large dogs protect smaller dogs. I've seen pet dogs protecting pet cats, and children from external threats. I've seem them appear to show concern when others are hurt. You'll never convince me that they have no clue what they are doing. I've also watched wildlife shows where mother animals appear to be very concerned about the wellbeing of their babies. In fact, Just the other day I was driving down the road and a large flock of turkeys started to cross the road in front of me. I stopped and watch. The adult turkeys appeared to be to be very concerned about getting all their little babies across the road. They stood around like school gaurds and waited for the younger birds to cross. Clearly there's some sense of 'society' going on there. They aren't just out for every bird for itself. That's just a gross misconception of what's going on. They may not have the cerebral depth to logically take it to the extremes that humans do. But I think they clearly have some level of compassion. We aren't as different from animals as we'd like to believe. i agree majyk man, try reading the rest of my post before replying, i've already stated such!!! 
but on the other hand, there are also many that eat thier young or kill there young for whatever reasons also. many fish exibit this as do mammals, they are scavengers and cannabilistic in nature. but what i'm asking is why are we caring why do we feel the need to help? what moses us to do so? its not religion as you and others say, it's beyond that from what i can sense.and its in all of us to varying degrees - yet in some its seems almost absent? why is that? |
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cats dont have to answer they already know why - and they could care less if we dont - 
They sure want to know the meaning of "why isn't this bowl full?"!!!!  Well, they usually share everything else with me, little smartasses that they are, so they should impart such pearls of wisdom to me. They know we were made to accommodate their preferred lifestyle, that's for DARN SURE!!! I've been TOLD!!!
they are the master race, there just hoping we dont catch on and put them out to fend for themseves again -
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cats dont have to answer they already know why - and they could care less if we dont -
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Edited by
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T said
okay let me explain a little more...If you look at every religion they are generally based in peace and love. So even if religion was only a man-made concept, they it would seem that we would seek out love. Not love in a sense of sexual or familial love. But in that there should be some kind of balance or peace.
your correct history show this as a fact that groups religious or not do so , but they also war aginst each other, yet still some will bring in orphan's like the NA's, or others where many cultures would kill a whole village? why do you suppose as a people we act so diff. from one another when its those outside our zone so to say - strangers? are there really any strangers? are we not all the same? |
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Ill be over shortly -
 
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It is engrained in every human to seek out love, in that we do good for others. [If that made any sense] That makes absolutely no sense at all my lady but i still hope your feeling better in spite of your inablity to make sense -  
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Unlike animals, we have compassion but we are animals Ted, no? and there are some animals that do try to help or protect injured or sick or dieing ones, but most donot. so if we and some animals do this where does this compassion come from? Why do we have it and others do not? |
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Wow, what kind of animals do you have in your life!!! 
Seriously, it's the same kind of thing that differentiates us from animals in other ways, like, why we don't have sex simply out of instinct for procreation, why we can expand thoughts and create, etc. Thnx SKPCG, i was meaning wildlife, not domestic. eat or be eaten, kill or be killed, survival of the fittest, etc.. I'm not saying we should, i'm asking why we don't, what is it within us that moves us to do so as compared to animal life? |
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I'm sorry, but some of the responses here make me sick. To those who would have done nothing I wonder, if it was your child, your brother, your spouse, if you would feel the same--if you would have been content knowing that I sat there and watched all of this like I was taking in a home improvement show? Perhaps you would (which is scary in its own right) but this is NOT about assisted suicide and there would have been nothing to indicate that this young man was near death from an unrelated disease or condition. I would have called 911 and done my best to stop it because a number of conditions are treatable or at least manageable. Since suicide is an irrational act (in most cases) it stands to reason that sane and rational thought is outside of the person's control. For that reason, a call to the police (no matter the outcome) is the responsible thing to do. It's also a moral imperative. It isn't about whether or not the police arrive in time or whether or not the young man really "meant" to kill himself. It is about recognizing putting out the fire that is burning your neighbor's house and it is about doing the right thing even when the outcome is not promised. This is not a religious issue for me nor is it a distorted view of the world that casts me or any of you in the role of savior. It is about seeing a human being in so much pain, in so much hopelessness that the ending of life seems the best way to proceed. To sit and watch that, not to be bothered by that enough to reach for a phone or e-mail a Webmaster? I don't get that. I really don't. -Drew THNX Drew, I'm with you on that, it is to me a moral obligation also no matter who or what or where. if nothing else it's my trying to see who would be a neighbor to me or i to them. it's nice to know who would help you or visa versa should something happen. though i do see others points on this, i don't personally agree with them, we all have our reasons why we do or don't do things. some may see it as being intrusive, i see it as being concerned. and not from a religious point at all. just a human point. Tribo---I understand your point. Thanks for allowing all to express their opinions. I just have a tough time with a lot of the people (not people here at Mingle) who were actually encouraging this guy to go through with it. That some people have nothing better to do with their time but encourage a person to OD on drugs is really quite sad. -Drew
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wHAT IS THIS MORAL OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED? WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??
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I'm sorry, but some of the responses here make me sick. To those who would have done nothing I wonder, if it was your child, your brother, your spouse, if you would feel the same--if you would have been content knowing that I sat there and watched all of this like I was taking in a home improvement show? Perhaps you would (which is scary in its own right) but this is NOT about assisted suicide and there would have been nothing to indicate that this young man was near death from an unrelated disease or condition. I would have called 911 and done my best to stop it because a number of conditions are treatable or at least manageable. Since suicide is an irrational act (in most cases) it stands to reason that sane and rational thought is outside of the person's control. For that reason, a call to the police (no matter the outcome) is the responsible thing to do. It's also a moral imperative. It isn't about whether or not the police arrive in time or whether or not the young man really "meant" to kill himself. It is about recognizing putting out the fire that is burning your neighbor's house and it is about doing the right thing even when the outcome is not promised. This is not a religious issue for me nor is it a distorted view of the world that casts me or any of you in the role of savior. It is about seeing a human being in so much pain, in so much hopelessness that the ending of life seems the best way to proceed. To sit and watch that, not to be bothered by that enough to reach for a phone or e-mail a Webmaster? I don't get that. I really don't. -Drew THNX Drew, I'm with you on that, it is to me a moral obligation also no matter who or what or where. if nothing else it's my trying to see who would be a neighbor to me or i to them. it's nice to know who would help you or visa versa should something happen. though i do see others points on this, i don't personally agree with them, we all have our reasons why we do or don't do things. some may see it as being intrusive, i see it as being concerned. and not from a religious point at all. just a human point. |
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I didn't accuse you of racism ..I said posting those pictures to black people was a way to attack them ....but then again you mention you had a black wife ...so did you give her pictures of gorillas...did you send them to her relatives..if not.. why not
funny you should ask for our first valentines day together she brought a card with two gorillas on it kissing. futher more the gorilla is not black- your reading your own prejudices into it. it's things that I have learn not to say around other races or cultures...all I was doing was informing you of this ... which seem to be something your black wife forgot to do ...but as you said...I shall get over it
we did not look at each other in those terms funch, were all the same, read my post, maybe you'll learn something. the biggest mistake i made was not staying with her - been paying for it ever since. My comment to you were for you, sarcastic maybe - but never the less for ""you"" no different or worse than yours to me, nuff said let's drop it ok. |
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I'm really glad you brought this up. I'm doing research for a series of presentations I will be giving to high school students on identity theft and internet security. This is going to be a good addition to the presentation. how interesting, good luck with that my lady -
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On the internet it is hard to tell if something is staged or not so I would have probably done nothing. thnx for your honesty. are you saying that if you had seen it or watched it for hours you would feel this way? I doubt it would have caught my attention that long but if I did watch it for hours it would still be hard to figure out if its real or not.I would still do nothing. In real life I would stop for an accident or prevent a suicide but like I said the internet is full of sickos.Fact from fiction is a hard call. thnx CLDM |
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