I don't have a doubt that militarily there is nothing close to US. BUT if you choose to be the police of the world you have to do it right, militarily, tactically AND morally.

That is if you want to be proud of yourself as a nation.

If on the other side you want to expand and dominate..well than no, but then you can't pretend to be "better" than any other thug out there, just better armed and richer.

I know perfectly that all the manouver in Iraq was to estabilish more control on that region. Personally I would have appreciated more a president sayng "Hey we need to control the oil flow and keep the WHOLE region at bay, therefore we are invading it" Fine. It sucks but at least it's true.

What I don't buy is all the "fight for freedom" propaganda.
I agree with you that the UN is a joke, still you have to somewhat came up with better rules, if you are on top of the game, instead of just ignoring the existing ones...

Besides the bill of right is valid in US, not abroad, like an islamic law would not makes sense here.

I never heard of 7 mirages shot down by the way. I remember one Italian Tornado that was the only pushing a mission of a 6 ship group after a failed refuel to be shot down by AA...All I could find about Mirages was that quite a few Iraqi one were shot down..not French


I know a bit OT...sorry for that.

I think the Church likes to have kids sexualy oppressed as it makes them easier to manipulate. We all see what suppresion of sexuality has done to pastor Ted and any number of catholic priests who have been engaged in homo sex with minors. My own teen years were charged with parking and makeing out in the back seat sneaking out my bedrrom window to sneak in the neighbore girls window etc etc, you get the picture. I recall a nympho girl of my youth who went to church 3 timesa week and her parents were the pillar of the community, she ended up pregnant and had an abortion at 16.....welcome to the real world

Did you see me speak at Democrats??? No you didn't. You saw liberal and put two and two together. Your mistake not mine.



Why on earth would someone being a Democrat mean that they are not teaching their children morals and responsiblities?

There is no reason to put people down for what political party they belong to - liberal or conservative. I thought that we were all adults here.

I am a Democrat. My child is taught morals and responsibilities. My child even attends a Christian school. My child will be encouraged abstinence but not taught abstinence only. Why? That would not be very responsible of me. We also perform volunteer work for the less fortunate. Now tell me again how being a liberal means not being a good parent and not teaching morals and responsibilities?

To Armydoc:

The more money put into education means more hope for the future of the children. The children will feel that. Money needs to be put back into schools for sports and the arts. Hmmm...wasn't that money taken out of the schools after Clinton? After school activities help keep kids busy and off the streets and less time to spend on "other" things.

I have two points to make:

1. Why is it always necessary to slam people that are liberals? Because a few speak up with their view points does not mean that all think the same way(no I am not an out and out liberal - I am middle of the road). I get tired of people not discussing the issues and just promptly turning it in to and us vs. them. The issue plan and simple - are policies affecting teen pregnancy?

. 2. I have been teaching high school now for 15 years - through the Clinton and the Bush presidencies - and as a matter of fact presidential policies do affect what happens in schools(lets not forget NCLB and its wonderful affects/effects on schools) and in homes. Someone already mentioned something about what was being taught in the schools and it went from examining all aspects of birth control to abstinence. Does it work? No preaching abstinence does not work for all and never really has - lots of babies born out of wedlock or before a couple had been married 9 months (historically speaking).
The issue of parents teaching morals - I don't think that morals overrides horomones for all teens. Some counties in the Bible Belt states have reported in with a 40 out of a 1000 birth rate among teens while the national average was 22 out of a 1000(I believe these statistics were from 2003 or 2004, which is the most current I have). How about responsibility? Most teens have that part down - after they get pregnant they have the child and drop out to be responsible.
Blaming a specific person makes no sense - blame the policies the man endorses and those that can't see the whole picture as well. All my years teaching have been spent in impoverished areas - reservation to inner city students, and I have seen the change in the birth rate go up among teens drastically in the last 7 years. With a lot of teens they don’t see education as a means to get out of the poverty cycle, they don’t think they can achieve anything more than a minimum wage job, so why bother – start the family early, quit school and move on with life. The cycle perpetuates itself.
What needs to be truly discussed is not that Bush made this happen, but rather how if this trend continues it will affect you, because it does. These kids get pregnant, drop out and become welfare moms….which comes out of your pocket, whether you are a conservative or a liberal.

the war isnt illegal, get over it, your democratically elected congress voted for it, and , we should have been there anyway....if your so concerned with the welfare of ordinary people like you say in the afghanistan thread.... millions of people killed by your beloved saddam hussien, more brutallized and raped by him or his sons, who when they were thru with them would simply toss them in an alligator pit at one of the palaces,(seen the pit- kind of disturbing- all while we did nothing, have your cake and eat it to moments)

what do you know about a violent stressful job like ours, nothing but what you read, lady i live it, im not going around doing stupid crap and blaming it on anything. and strangely enough most of the murders in this country are done by people who dont work in the military or police force.

when you raise a gun, and fire it, with the hostile intent on killing someone who was trying to harm you or one of your friends then i would gladly sit down and shut up and listen to the diatribe with which you profess your intelligence.

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EXACTLY!

we own the planet, the hell with anybody else.
SIEG USA! SIEG GOD!
We are infact the superior race.

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