Seems to me some are in denial, that's okay.
I showed many links, answers being given with all types of sites (not just blogs. But U know what? I think bloggers are an important part of freedom of speech, and that for the most part, they try really hard to put up decent and factual stuff (IMO).

No T, I covered the h/care w/y more than once. I am not going there again.

This thread is about O' b/certificate, or lack thereof. And it is important to note how he has addressed the q of the people, he faked it p lied about it, then avoids it. Time will tell where this 'story' ends, one way or the other about his 'right' to run for president or not.

What is all the confusion - I think O is obligated to verify - leaving not the slightest doubt - the deal on this birth certificate.
And - beyond that - this is a man with so many - so very many - radical, anti-American associates - it is absolutely incredible - the media has taken a "strange" candidate and made him into a phenomenon - Obama lost me at the flag pin and no hand on heart for anthem deal. BB

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The latest Zogby poll had John McCain trailing Obama by two points. Just two points!

Despite the full-court press to destroy McCain and Sarah Palin, Katie Couric's antics against her, and a daily onslaught of media spin . . . McCain is still within striking distance.

The stakes have never been higher for the future of the country.


Barack Obama is not simply a risky choice as our next president — He is a dangerous one.

This is why I have taken the helm here at the National Republican Trust Political Action Committee.

Here at the National Republican Trust, we understand our mission. It's simple. It will also drive the left-wing media nuts.

Here's the plan: We will tell the American people the truth about Barack Obama!

Every time John McCain or Sarah Palin tries to tell the truth about Obama, they are painted as mean-spirited and negative.


http://www.nationalrepublicantrust.com/licenseforillegals_nm.html

Seeing this should change you vote too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyocX-9_mo

A wrong and dangerous choice, indeed. BB

nope, several are respected sites, news sites as well. Yep, few blogs, but that's okay. O's camp has been found to have put up fake smearing sites (to Palin esp. how LOW and under-handed) so there ya go, all isn't as bad or as good as it seems when speaking of getting information off of web sites. Cya, gotta run, BB

PS. Care to bet there are several respectable sites through-out this thread, that I did refer to, like I said, or not, like U claim?? :) You are wrong....... but thanks for your opinion.

How about adding a quote from each?

“I’m looking at (Trig) right now, and I see perfection. Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?”

“I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
----know who said which?? One did not (abortion at late age finding baby to be inperfect) and the other pushing his agenda..... so no, abortions should not be okay for (girl's/women's)mistakes. BB

I know, and agree. Issues are spread throughout the thread. Yes, much of it too - has to do with character, as well it should. Especially when we are speaking of a man who has been caught in so many lies.

AND he does not have the experience to do this job.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/

But the topic is his birth certificate woes.
Yes, I saw the q to links. Gave the attys, and soon it will ALL be moot. Once it is proven or dis-proved. Thanks, BB

Speaking of the FBI, Due to his colleagues and friends, who are thoroughly interviewed along with neighbors, professors, family, etc...Obama wouldn't be able to get an entry level job with the many top fields - Border Patrol, etc., for his associations with Wright, Ayers and Farakhan. They would turn him flat down!!!

He should not get ANY security clearance or become Commander in Chief!!!!

You can never become an FBI or DEA agent if you used drugs, but Obama has admitted to using/abusing Cocaine when he was a teenager/young adult, and when he was on Leno - he was flip in his answer. Did U see it?? When Leno asked if he inhaled, O said "that was the point." Yea, some pres he'd make. BB

PS. BTW, Why did BO “suspend” his law license? Why did MO “give up” her law license? Why would two, young people, who have worked so hard to obtain one of the most difficult credentials, put them aside?

Did they have to? Were they caught at some sort of misrepresentation?

It just does not make sense.
I heard he lost his because he lied about using any alias names and drug use.

http://deephousepage.com/forums/showthread.php?p=745230


Full Licensed Name: Barack Hussein Obama
Full Former name(s): None
Date of Admission as Lawyer
by Illinois Supreme Court: December 17, 1991
Registered Business Address: Not available online
Registered Business Phone: Not available online
Illinois Registration Status: Voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law - Last Registered Year: 2008

No, actually if U research it, not true.

Some supporters of Palin say they believe she had no knowledge of the practice. watch video

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/#cnnSTCVideo

read off McCain website, that is distortion as well. BB

PS I do know facts on Obama's stance on abortions. He believes in woman's right to choose. If he left it at that, he might be commended by some, but no, his views are terrible on the rest of it.

What I can't get my mind around is, how anyone can support (it and the man O) who is for partial birth abortions, or not caring for late (ICK!)term abortions babies that survive!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80mSgsQ6CU

(and they are waiting for O's apology for calling them liars.) BB

Yes T. I documented how with links for U to do your own research.



“If we lose freedom here [in America], there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.”
- President Ronald Reagan
October 27, 1984

Obama turns blind eye to credit card fraud

The Obama fundraising machine may owe its sensational success in part to a relaxation of standard online merchant security practices, which has allowed illegal donations from foreign donors and from unknown individuals using anonymous “gift” cards, industry analysts and a confidential informant tell Newsmax.


(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
Campaigns are not required to disclose contributors who donate less than $200 — and Obama’s campaign refuses to release their names, addresses, and donation amounts. Obama has collected a staggering $603.2 million. Most of the money — $543.3 million — has come from individual contributors, half of it from “small” donors Obama won’t disclose.

http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/Penny_Pritzker.php

See video on here as well, for expose on Obama's
lies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112062/posts

Yes, a whole lot of stress (for O and Mrs.) and why?
Part of it he could (cough, cough) have cleared up with having true doc. to run for office.

And, he sent man in 2007 to seal his
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Stories continue to circulate on the internet speculating that in July of 2007 Barack Obama sent Faleomavaega on a secret mission to Jakarta to persuade the Indonesians to seal up the childhood records of Obama, who was at that time known as Barry Soetoro. In exchange, Faleomavaega supposedly arranged for cash assistance and promised to mute his criticism of the Indonesian government over its policies in West Papua. Faleomavaega did in fact speak more favorably of the regime on his departure according to press accounts of the trip but the rest remains speculation at this moment.
http://abcdefgroup.blogspot.com/

What family? We heard Mrs. O was going to speak at his events.....hummmm

And why didn't he take his private jet (days ago, seeing the woman is ill), instead of waiting until same day as court appearance required?

Just waiting to see pics of him being tailed.BB


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SUPREME COURT DOCKET NUMBER: 29414

google it.

NICE SONG......New song by Hank Williams Jr. titled "McCain-Palin Tradition"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81brjpteDk

NO! Obama, not McCain is playing the race card.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2008279892_opin19krauthammer.html?syndication=rss

The Media Play The Race Card For Obama

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/24/opinion/main4474562.shtml?source=RSSattr=Opinion_4474562

Even liberal Geraldine Ferraro is fed up with Barack Obama's racism and racist comments.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XauargU9_XE

Be really nice if we didn't hear from him and his camp about "could it be - don't forget he's black" If he didn't bring it up and accuse people of it, it sure wouldn't be an issue as much! Not the rep/ but the Dem/ from their leader on down. BB

Hi Adventure

Why is no one talking about more uncle same and the boss looking over y're shoulder??

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WASHINGTON -- When Barack Obama was seeking AFL-CIO support in the primaries, he promised to sign a bill that would effectively deprive workers of a private-ballot vote in unionization drives.

The bill, which is No. 1 on organized labor's wish list, is seen by union bosses as the only way to increase depleted membership rolls because it would be easier to unionize workplaces without the bother of the private ballot to protect workers in a free and democratic election.

Obama doesn't talk about this issue much before general audiences, but it his No. 1 promise when he speaks to unions -- pledging that the so-called Employee Free Choice Act will become law in 2009 if he wins the presidency in November. "We're ready to play offense for organized labor. It's time we had a president who didn't choke saying the word 'union.' A president who strengthens our unions by letting them do what they do best: organize our workers," the freshman senator told the AFL-CIO in Philadelphia on April 2.

"I will make it the law of the land when I'm president of the United States," he told the labor federation.

The labor-law reform is known as the "card-check bill" because it would allow employees to form a union simply by publicly collecting a majority of cards signed by workers supporting unionization of their employer's business. Union leaders would, of course, know how each worker voted, opening them up to pressure and intimidation.

Under current law, once a majority of workers submit cards requesting union certification, an election is held where workers vote by secret ballot on whether to ratify unionization. The bill, pushed by labor and supported by Obama, would effectively abandon that procedure in most cases.

John McCain opposes the bill, saying it would deny a democratic right of workers to decide by secret ballot whether they and their co-workers will come under union representation.

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http://townhall.com/columnists/DonaldLambro/2008/08/08/obama_supports_union_ploy_to_drop_secret_ballots

And I think that is just a (terrible) start for Obama!BB

The USA now owes China 1.4 Trillion Dollars
Just why dose the US owe China so much money?

It is in part, from that stimulus check we all got!! And they want to give us another one??
And wars cost money, we borrowed it.


looks like China is the new landlords of America. Sure hope they don't call in their 'note' if they loose faith in the US. BB

http://en-1.ce.cn/main/Insight/200412/06/t20041206_2501558.shtml

And yes, worry about debit. And health care too. But, if one can't pay for the children they have, or the 'treatment' one needs at a hosp/emg. room - guess they need to cut back on the cable, cigs, entertainment, etc. We all don't need to pledge more than our first-born already, for more debit!

That Obama has a terrible agenda, period.

Back on topic....Obama went to Hawaii to see the Supreme Court. Do the research. Andy Martin is there trying to get Obama's birth certificate released for public verification. Obama and the DNC have been trying to prevent this. Today is a scary day for Obama so he had to go try to stop it. Interesting timing here. I hate to break it to the Obama fans, but this birth certificate business may prove problematic for your candidate. Better brace. On the other hand, If the trip is legit about his grandma, I hope they have a good visit, even if in his words, she is just a "typical white person".

O offers much too much debit, added onto an already failing budget. Not even sure if he can pull much of anything off. Do we want to borrow more money from Chinia?? BB
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Why I Would Vote Mc Cain... If I Were American.

http://newsblaze.com/story/20081021161047zzzz.nb/topstory.html

The only reason I am writing this column is because I owe it to the American people. I have no interest in doing so, being surrounded by an overwhelming wave of democratic excitement - not to say hysteria - here in New York, at work, in political circles, among friends. But I have decided to speak out the day Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama as the presidential candidate of his choice. After the endorsement of one of the greatest Americans in a generation, here is the witness stand of a not yet American, let alone famous in his own French, native country.

I did not travel more than 3,000 miles and re-invent myself in your blessed country, study here night-time while I was working full time during the day to feed my family, work very hard and started to succeed just to see the "Land of the Free", the country I love, take the path of the near-death experience Europe took for more than seven decades with various forms of socialism, from the mild social-democrat one to the heavy-handed soviet one. All failed, one way or another, as socialism is contrary to human nature and the fundamental values supporting its progress: Liberty, Justice for All, and the Pursuit of Happiness


The choice at hand is not about Barack Obama, whom I admire and would be honored to meet. The choice at hand is not about Barack Obama's amazing achievements, which remind us that the American Dream exists. The choice at hand is about Barack Obama's judgment and policies, and the now more than real risk that his presidency would destroy this American Dream that made Barack Obama become Barack Obama.

Change is essential, but more essential is the direction that change might take. And change in the wrong direction is worse than no change at all. I have carefully read and listened to Barack Obama's economics and tax arguments and they are based on, and driven towards, big-spending, pro-Government philosophy, agenda and policies: I hope I am wrong, but like anyone very well aware of the early signs and disastrous effects of a poison for having been exposed to it, I recognize the features and, through this campaign, early symptoms of what brought Europe to its knees.

Maybe it is not yet too late. Maybe, in a few days from now, I will not have to say to my French-American kids in front of the TV, "people have the Governments they deserve".

I am Josey, the plumber (smile) self employed, not covered by an employer, but self insured. I see what O offered, compared it to M, did research it. To better answer u're q, --copy--

http://catholicexchange.com/2008/08/28/113617/

For all the talk of universal health care, Barack Obama’s proposals actually move us only slowly and not very far in that direction. He would enact government mandates requiring employers to insure their workers and parents to insure their children, while introducing extensive new regulations of the insurance sector, such as requiring health plans to cover all applicants. Even with these changes, however, Obama’s plan essentially preserves the employer-based system that has proved so troublesome.

By comparison, McCain’s reforms look radical. He calls for moving away from the employer-based system by shifting insurance tax credits from employers to individuals, giving people more control–and thereby more responsibility for–their own health care. Additionally, he proposes deregulating the insurance market, so that interstate competition increases.

Both schemes must deal with the question of financing, but there is another important question to pose. Most Americans are concerned that health care provision be characterized not only by economic efficiency but also by justice and equity. When vulnerable populations don’t have access to adequate health care, our obligations to the common good stand unfulfilled. Which plan aligns better with the demands of justice?

It is difficult to predict what the results of either approach would be. As incentives change, behavior changes, making calculations hazardous. Both McCain and Obamathreatening recognize that a problem as enormous as health care delivery is not easily soluble by a single reform program. But if we’re at a crossroads considering whether to move toward more government involvement or more market freedom, the latter direction is likely to lead toward a more efficient and equitable system.

History proves that large government programs covering high numbers of beneficiaries with diverse needs do not fare well. At the personal level, bureaucratic rules replace individual care and attention. At the economic level, price control would almost certainly be part of the package. Price ceilings, as long lines for gasoline in the 1970s should have convinced us, lead to shortages of supply. The generation of fewer doctors and nurses is not a prescription for improved health care.

The drawback of the market is its potential for unequal outcomes. It is important to remember, however, that inequality is not synonymous with injustice. Justice does not require that all people receive precisely equivalent levels of medical treatment; instead, it dictates that basic physical needs, including health care, are met. Perfect equality, moreover, is simply unrealistic. Even in those nations held up as models of universal access–Canada, for example–the wealthy and well-connected manage to secure better or faster medical treatment.

The more critical concern is that the people who are most vulnerable–children, the unemployed, the uninsured, the chronically ill–may fall through the cracks of a health care market built on a foundation of personal responsibility. This is where other institutions play indispensable roles. Many of America’s hospitals bear testimony to their religious roots: Mercy, Methodist, Good Samaritan. Provision of care for the ill has ever been intrinsic to the practice of Christianity, reflected in the traditional work of mercy, “visit the sick.”

Neither presidential candidate’s reform plan highlights the extensive work performed by charitable organizations, but neither the market nor the government is going to care adequately for those on the margins. Whichever reforms (if any) are eventually implemented, the imperative to visit the sick will remain as a call to each of us to lend support in our families, churches, and communities.
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Health Care: Curb Your Enthusiasm for Obama

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=67825

Obama’s claim that he would save $2,500 per family beyond a simple cost shift to the federal government of large claims is unsubstantiated.

http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2008/03/a-detailed-anal.html

More likely, a $100 billion infusion of new health care spending by an Obama or Clinton plan would actually increase the rate of health care inflation and ultimately create an imperative for more draconian government intervention in the health care markets both Obama and Clinton would preserve.

Cost containment is the big missing link here.
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And if u're placing your vote based upon health care - don't May not happen as the money isn't there. Do U want to borrow more money from China? BB

Betty Boop (true first , not 2nd name)

I researched the book some, and found this. ---copy---

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/22/book-review-the-case-against-barack-obama/

In doing so, I discovered why the Barack Obama campaign fears this book. Last week they staged what can only be described as a mob action intended to silence Freddoso, the same as they did with Stanley Kurtz, who hadn’t even yet written about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers he fought to open. It’s not that Freddoso has written an “extremist” or “hate”-filled book, as their hyperbolic message to their mindless thugs accused. Instead, Freddoso has written a reasonable, rational look at Obama’s record and has concluded that he is the first reformer to have never actually reformed anything, or even attempted it.--snip--

Libraries are wonderful things. Mine will even reserve the book for you, online of course, ship it to the branch nearest to me and notify me via e-mail when it’s there.

or It’s available for your ipod at audible

http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/enSearch/searchResults.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0413157268.1224686244@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccchadefhjlghgkcefecekjdffidfjl.0&Ntk=S_Keywords&Ntt=The+Case+against+Barack+Obama&Ntx=mode%2bmatchallpartial&x=0&y=0&D=The+Case+against+Barack+Obama&N=0&Dx=mode%2bmatchallpartial

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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

Let me know how U like it....BB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRcSONcBDuM

David Freddoso's guest appearance on Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes on 4 August 2008 discussing his new book "The Case Against Barack Obama."

And what words were those?? Some that matter greatly, proven again, lies. If we can't TRUST what Obama is saying going into this election - do U eally think U will be able to trust anything much he says? (Or his figures, tax credits, free give-a-ways??) NOPE

---copy---"Our neighbors include Muhammad Ali, former mayor Eugene Sawyer, poets Gwendolyn Brooks and Elizabeth Alexander, and writer Barack Obama. Minister Louis Farrakhan lives a block from our home and adds, we think, a unique dimension to the idea of 'safe neighborhood watch': the Fruit of Islam, his security force, has an eye on things twenty-four-hours a day."

The Obama campaign said the blurb was not a full-fledged review of the book.

"He didn't do a review. He provided one line about the book to the Tribune," campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told FOXNews.com.

A month before the item appeared, on Nov. 20, 1997, Michelle Obama, then dean of student services and director of the University Community Service Center, held a panel at the University of Chicago that featured both Barack Obama and Ayers.

"Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system," the University of Chicago Chronicle reported on Nov. 6, 1997.


Barack Obama provided a glowing endorsement of a book by domestic terrorist William Ayers in the Dec. 21, 1997 Chicago Tribune. (Zombietime.com)
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READ MORE. words matter!!)
http://www.nevilleawards.com/obama_ayres.shtml

Obama, Ayres and The Terrorists -- Three Articles

Obama & Ayres: Stanley Kurtz's Report on the Annenburg Project
Obama, William Ayres and the Chicago U. Annenburg Cover-up -- Obama Wants to Silence the Investigations -- 3 Articles
Obama, William Ayres and the Chicago U. Annenburg Cover-up -- Three Articles
Obama, Ayres and The Terrorists -- Three Articles
Obama, Ayres and The Terrorists II--Quotes from Bill Ayres -- Two Articles

Obama worked with terrorist-Senator helped fund organization that rejects 'racist' Israel's existence

Obama, Ayres, and the Radicals

Ayres Quotes -- Bill Ayres: Self-righteous, self-absorbed, intellectually dishonest and a miserable human being

Click here for Ayres and Dohrn transcript and audio quotes

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And, timeline of birth and history, much much more. The timeline goes into details, his youth, and details galore, up to this year and should be a MUST READ. Detailed history of Obama — enlightening and frightening!

http://colony14.net/id41.html

Obama encourages supporters to be rude to Republicans and undecided independents, telling them, “I want you to argue with them and get in their face.” [213,214]

Obama’s list of accomplishments in the U.S. Senate consists of getting two bills passed: one to send foreign aid to the Congo and another to name a post office. [337]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Unv4zioSc

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

They are related, (inexperience will kill more) BB

PS. O's exposed on Ayre's review 1997

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/

---copy-- Barack Obama, who has consistently downplayed his relationship with William Ayers during his presidential campaign, once gave a glowing endorsement of a book by the former domestic terrorist and was mentioned by name in the book itself.

A blogger unearthed the Dec. 21, 1997, endorsement in the Chicago Tribune and posted photographs of the praise for Ayers' book on Zombietime.com Saturday.

Featured next to a smiling photograph of himself, then-State Senator Obama called Ayers' book, "A Kind and Just Parent: Children of the Juvenile Court," a "searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair."---end c-


Bless them bloggers!! O's pic on the jacket review is there too! 1997, NOT 8 yrs old. What a spin = lie! Others have found alot more of this 'close' relationship as well.