Science claims we are from Apes, and yet, Ape males will kill one another in a heartbeat!!

just like all other Species will!!

Holy cow! I don't think old people are considered repulsive.. but good thing I am rich

I agreed with that and that's what i am looking for as well

if there are things biblical that you pondered about that never get address or dismissed as being metaphorically or a mistranslation of Hebrew text when the bible suggest otherwise or something you consider to have been a miracle that happen to you personally, then place it here and it will be investigated thoroughly and unbiasedly ..well at least by me

what most people don't fully get in concept, is that Believers in God are commanded to follow the laws of Government, which are not of God. that means however the government is structured, which includes Science, we are to follow and obey those Laws.

the only time we are to go against those Laws, are when they are designed to go against God.

Yeshua paid taxes and obeyed the Roman and Jewish Laws until they went against God.

that is what led to His Death.

but Science and Idealism designed to better humanity are not to be viewed as opposing, but rather as beneficial. it's when Science is focused upon its enemies more than finding new discoveries that we should be very leery of..

I see you point.
By sharing my knowledge of the hot burner I might say "That is hot"
I might say "Don't touch it, it will burn your hand"

I don't lecture them on the laws of thermodynamics, quoting text from the supporting scientific papers. I don't delve into the medical encyclopedias and quote burn trama treatment procedures. I don't threaten them with afterlife damnation or promise them afterlife rewards.

Most important, when adult visitors come to my home and I am cooking on the stove I feel no need to warn them not to touch that hot burner. If they touch it anyway, lol, bad move on their part but I don't feel bad for them. While I might protect the little children, I don't break out books of text and accountings of lessons to them. I say, "stay away from the kitchen, I'm cooking".

YES I DO !!!

If you know something, really feel it inside, do you need to 'prove' it to anyone?
The burner on the stove is red hot.
You know its hot.
You don't need to prove its hot.

The more you defend your belief, the less validity it has.
Its YOUR belief, why should it matter what anyone else believes?
Are y'all 'that' insecure?

Those who make very long and detailed posts to 'defend' their beliefs are very insecure people.

My answer to the thread question has always been NO.

In theory, this thread should consist of one word answers - 'yes' or 'no'.

Those long and detailed interpretations are pointless and do not answer the question posed in this thread. They only lead to a discussion of the different types of god and the reasons why people have different beliefs. With all due respect, that sort of thing is boring.

Do you believe in God?

you are not religious however, you are interjecting your view onto something that has been improperly introduced and explained to all of humanity.

according to the Ancient Greeks writers around 30 to 75 A.D., there was an actual person called Yeshua (Jesus).

The Greeks claim this person did things that no one had seen, been accustomed to, or thought possible by giving us examples He healed the lepers (who had no medicine for their day), who made the blind to see (had no opticians back then for surgery), who raised people who were DEAD back to life (INCLUDING one who was dead in a tomb for 4 days (that is 1 day past the death watch where they watch in case the person was not actually dead but was still buried in the tomb).

Anyways, the Greeks go onto write about Yeshua's life, His Ministry, His purpose. They wrote about His wrongful accused death and even wrote about how even in Greece the sky became black and earthquakes erupted and the things we read in the Bible are specifically mentioned by the ATHEIST GREEKS.

They wrote He claimed He was God, He did these great things, He was killed and 2 Greek writers wrote He RESURRECTED like He had predicted.

Writers afterwards like Lucian continued writing another 200 years laters making the observation ... "STILL TO THIS DAY THE [[[CHRISTIANS]]] FOLLOW THE CRUCIFIED SAGE"...


so what is my point here:

1. Greeks wrote about Yeshua
2. they wrote about His miracles, ministry, purpose even instructing His followers to deny the Greco-Roman deities
3. they wrote He was accused of false accusations
4. they wrote He was crucified
5. they wrote about the sky turning eary pitch black and massive earthquakes took place the moment He died
6. they wrote He Resurrected just like He had predicted
7. they wrote He ascended back to Heaven

The Greeks VERIFY the Jews version of this person called Yeshua like we read in the Bible.


SO:

if this person YESHUA was actually real
if Yeshua actually did as we read in both the Ancient Greek writings and within what the Disciples and Paul wrote
if everything written was but just a FRACTION of the things Yeshua actually did and accomplished
if it ALL is word for word and 100% accurate from both Greek and Jew

that literally means YESHUA was actually GOD in human form!!


NOW:

if that is TRUE concerning Yeshua from both Greeks and Jews, then there is YOUR PROOF about God creating the Universe and everything with the intention of having contact with His own Creation...

if the Greeks and Jews are correct...these are non believing Greeks writing about what they were seeing, experiencing, hearing, witnessing concerning this Yeshua person...makes science, YOU, and several others in this thread alone full of .... and hot air!!