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Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different... I too doubt he'd know if he could kill someone, but fact is that he did. Hell I question myself, would I be able to take a life and I'm grown? Do adults have to think that far ahead when they commit crimes, if or when they get caught would they see family members? Granted I agree children and adults have different mentalities, but should that excuse/forgive the heinous crime? Yes, there should be a punishment but what it should be is the real question. To throw the key away for life or for even 20-25yrs...I think not. The child needs help and jail or J.V isnt the answer for someone that is 8 or 9yrs old. But, adults usually think things thru unless they are drunk or drugged up but even at that point they should know the consequences of their actions opposed to a child state of mind. |
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Just found article on 8yr old, who plead guilty. http://kdka.com/topstories/arizona.boy.shooting.2.939046.html Yes, I'd want to charge him as an adult and would want the punishment to fit the crime. But that wont happen as the state and child have cut a deal. How could you say that? 1st he was 9 and 2nd the police forced a confession out of him What does he know at 9...really? He was 8 and he premeditated the death of his father. As to police forcing a confession out of him that is not mentioned on article I found, his own mother was against the plea deal. At 9 yrs of age, one knows if one takes a gun and aims at another person and pulls trigger, that the little bullet inside the gun has the potential to take the others life. Kids are not as innocent nor ignorant as one would like to believe they are. They may not know as much as adults, but just how much does a person need to know to make them responsible for their actions? Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different... |
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I can understand recycling non-food items but fining people for throwing scraps away, c'mon 
They do that here already in Ny...you get a summons for anything that isn't recycle. Ex: if you left a piece of styrofoam in a cardboard box, you get a summons |
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Just found article on 8yr old, who plead guilty. http://kdka.com/topstories/arizona.boy.shooting.2.939046.html Yes, I'd want to charge him as an adult and would want the punishment to fit the crime. But that wont happen as the state and child have cut a deal. How could you say that? 1st he was 9 and 2nd the police forced a confession out of him What does he know at 9...really? |
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These two are pretty recent crimes committed by children in Florida and I have followed the cases as they truly shocked the heck outta me. #1 - approx 10 kids under 18 enter a house, with weapons, repeated sexually abuse the mother, beat both mother and son, had mother perform sexual acts on her son, doused both with chemicals to remove their DNA. #2 - a group of about 5 kids, set another kid on fire. Doused kid with flammable liquid, set kid on fire and watched him run while on fire. how about that 9yr old in Arizona that shot his father and his father's roomate with a rifle when he was 8yrs old and proceeded to call 911. Should he be convicted as an adult? send me link - give me more info and I will truthfully answer you. Don't know about this case. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/19/national/main4813472.shtml |
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These two are pretty recent crimes committed by children in Florida and I have followed the cases as they truly shocked the heck outta me. #1 - approx 10 kids under 18 enter a house, with weapons, repeated sexually abuse the mother, beat both mother and son, had mother perform sexual acts on her son, doused both with chemicals to remove their DNA. #2 - a group of about 5 kids, set another kid on fire. Doused kid with flammable liquid, set kid on fire and watched him run while on fire. how about that 9yr old in Arizona that shot his father and his father's roomate with a rifle when he was 8yrs old and proceeded to call 911. Should he be convicted as an adult? |
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It's too bad that Rush can't cry like Glenn Beck. 
Now that would be funny. 
He will...cry to the bank that is after he sues the crap out of everybody ;) Wow! A lawsuit?
Do you think President Obama could sue the crap out of Glenn Beck when Glenn called him a racist?
No..bc he is :) |
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I'm going with number 2 on this. They are children, not adults. I don't think we(society)should lock up children and throw away the key. There is always hope. I actually lean towards #2, as well. I think every case is different tho - no absolutes. I agree with that there are no absolutes, but personally feel the punishment should fit the crime. So, an eye for an eye then? Now that's fishing  , I said and stand by that the punishment should fit the crime.
Never said a rapist should be raped, a murderer should be murdered, etc. I would agree if most of our laws fit the crime but we both know unfortunately that they don't. Ex: gun possession,drugs,hate crime Saying that most of these sentences are alot harsher than others, so thats needs to be fixed first (p.s sorry for all spelling errors bc I'm not going to check,lol) |
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It's too bad that Rush can't cry like Glenn Beck.
Now that would be funny.
Crying doesn't work for enough people, so I doubt he would even adopt that tactic like Beck. Rush's audience prefers his self righteous anger and sarcasm. I think they might find it painfully embarrassing if he start the weeping thing that Beck does. With 25 plus million listeners I'm sur ethat the NFL is worried as heck about what he will start saying. If anything else it will make for good radio ;) My Mayor and city hall didn't want him to buy our football team. The NFL players didn't want him to either. Why? He's racist and the NFL is 75% black. In 2003, he was even dropped from ESPN after his comments. You said he could sue. On what grounds could he sue? |
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I'm going with number 2 on this. They are children, not adults. I don't think we(society)should lock up children and throw away the key. There is always hope. I actually lean towards #2, as well. I think every case is different tho - no absolutes. I agree with that there are no absolutes, but personally feel the punishment should fit the crime. So, an eye for an eye then? |
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It's too bad that Rush can't cry like Glenn Beck.
Now that would be funny.
Crying doesn't work for enough people, so I doubt he would even adopt that tactic like Beck. Rush's audience prefers his self righteous anger and sarcasm. I think they might find it painfully embarrassing if he start the weeping thing that Beck does. With 25 plus million listeners I'm sur ethat the NFL is worried as heck about what he will start saying. If anything else it will make for good radio ;) |
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I'm going with number 2 on this. They are children, not adults. I don't think we(society)should lock up children and throw away the key. There is always hope. There is hope right until the crime is committed (jmo) then they should be punished according to the crime. They can make positive use of their time while incarcerated. Help others, help rehabilitate others. But, your still forgetting as to why they are in there...they are still children. Not saying that it is right but it is fact that they do not know as much. |
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No. 1 Kids know right from wrong, to murder someone you have to have that in your heart. My 9 yr old knows hurting someone is wrong, she chooses not to. These kids that kill know what the difference is. Some say rehabilitate them, can someone that has murder in their heart really be rehabilitated? Only God knows that answer. I blame alot on having both parents working in todays society and T.V/video games/movies doesn't help much either.Yes, they know that killing is wrong but,I also think that they feel that they are only hurting people instead, and that comes with the mentality of a child. And I'm NOT saying that is right either... |
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I say #2, kids being charged as adults is just wrong. I know that some of these "kids" act like animals and need a beating and severe punishment but overall they are still just children. Kids dont have the mentality as an adult to consider the consequences. Although I feel the range for being considered a adult should be changed from (not sure exactly what it is now) 18yrs to 17yrs.
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Personally I don't know for a fact that Rush is racist, but you don't have to be racist to sound like one. You did crack me up thought when you said 'his love of all people is well known' to his fans. Now that is funny. Maybe you meant to say his love of his fans is well known. No one that loves all people acts like he does. In fact I don't even care if he doesn't love all people, I still find him rude and obnoxious and I do watch him though not regularly, my nerves couldn't handle it. Jesus loved everyone, but he mocked the Pharisees and Sadducees. Unfortunately, sometimes the only way you can reach someone who is so set in their ways, is to hurt their feelings. It's called a seared conscience. When someone is so set in their ways, they can't see how wrong they are. Like someone who would call an innocent man a racist and causing him to miss out on a business opportunity. In those cases, the only way to help them is to pray and perhaps prick their conscience a bit and make them see how dishonest their way of thinking is. OH ya I always love it when the religious justify hurting feelings for their own good. Please.... Rush didn't need to be called a racist to lose this opportunity, he just needed to say dumbA$$ things to the wrong people. So what, Rush is a martyr now? I bet Beck is too then, huh? 
Someone who is offended by Rush because he "hurts people's feelings" is being sarcastic and mocking...is it ironic, hilarious or both? Hmmmm....2 words for ya Keith Olbermann |
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It's too bad that Rush can't cry like Glenn Beck.
Now that would be funny.
He will...cry to the bank that is after he sues the crap out of everybody ;) |
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But it's ok for someone like Jay-Z to be part owner of the Nets? I know thats basketball but it's still professional sports. Rush loves the game and knows a lot about it. I see no problem with it. It's not like the rams are doing well. They can use all the help they can get. When has Jay Z spoken inappropriately about an athlete? I think the players would have no problem with him as owner,,,not as coach,, but as owner ,,sure. Jay Z happens to be one of the most outspoken racist out there...he's a piece of garbage basically. But, then again that's the double standard world that we live in today. |
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Limbaugh and the Rams
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I just heard on the news that Rush Limbaugh's business partners have DROPPED him like a radioactive hot potato!
Yeah, I can't wait to see all the law suit that follows and all the public apologies that are going to have to be made. Won't even happen. You have to reap what you sow and he has sown alot of ******** so he is way over due...lol Are you nuts? This is a HUGH pay day for him. He will lose millions bc of this there is no way that these companies wont have to pay. |
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I just heard on the news that Rush Limbaugh's business partners have DROPPED him like a radioactive hot potato!
Yeah, I can't wait to see all the law suit that follows and all the public apologies that are going to have to be made. |
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raising the hands is symbolic only ie, the Hitler pic, the customary stance for the Pledge of Allegiance and it is also used when one wants to be chosen (ohh pick me; pick me) Well, I guess I don't see it as a big deal but, when you don't bother doing what has be customary for soo long it's a just becomes a sign of disrespect. It takes no effort just to put ur hand over chest rather it's takes more just trying not to. you are entitled to feel how ever you feel; I never said I do or don't raise my hand what I do find disrespectful is when a person assumes, that also takes no effort
I was gonna say the same BUT I forgot the winks :( My bad ;) What are you talking about? I never said that YOU are being disrespectful. I was just responding to your statement that you felt that raising your hand or not doesn't mean anything. My post was only in response to yours, not personal hence the winks 
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