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OMG!!!!! Math is soooo horrible for me!!!!    You know, I used to hate it. I though I could never do it, I faild geometry in high school, I just couldnt understand it. Now it consumes my life. part of it was because Of the way they teach modern math, the other part was I just didnt try hard enough. You can do anything you set your mind to, I truly believe that 
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You have to break the information into chunks, the human brain is much better at remembering that way. Ok, so how would you go about 'seeing' 1? Its funny I actully tried that, I started with the bottom dash, added the slash and than the forward slash, but I can still only see those idividual parts, not the whole thing |
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I know it probably sounds crazy, but I love numerology, that in itself I think has helped me with my math and also keeps me occupied, sometimes I feel like Jim Carrey in The Number 23, but with all numbers, lol Its not crazy. mathematics is the language of the universe
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Bullies and logic
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Ok, update concerning the op.
It has turned into a free for all verbal brawl! How do we always get to that point? What can I do to prevent people from trying to throw me infront of fast moving trains so to speak. See, im stuck, because theres so much I would like toshare and talk about, but it seems like I cant say anything without offending anyone no matter how hard I try lol. I even tried not trying to see if it would have the opposite effect, it didnt work. Its just a shame, theres so many great ideas and perspectives on this thread alone, but we cant explore them for fear of getting hit in the cross fire! Jane, Ill be completely honest. The thing that gets me the most about you is that I KNOW you are intelligent and capable of givin me some great insight, but all you tell me is that im wrong, ever. I never ment to get on your bad side, Im not sure how that happened. So ill just drop it and move on. I dont hold anything against you, hopefully you feel the same. Voileazer, I didnt agree with all of it, but I liked your train of thought on perception and existence. I wish we could have explored that more. No hard feelings Who else did I tick off?... Oh, message. That one was a disapointer, because shes one of my favorites, It was just poor word choice that got me into that one. But even still, It seems like if i disagree, Im imediatly condemed. Im a math major!! Math says it uses arythmatic in any and all math, Id love to discuss that but she refused. Its...mind boggling. So I thought, If I set some rules like be nice play fair, mabey Ill have a chance to hear everything and talk about it..but no, I got attacked by half the people in here for asking everyone to be respectful! I know Im not perfect, Im young and I dont have all the answers, But give me a break! Thoughts anyone? |
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Bullies and logic
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Sorry, Daniel, what kind of a compliment are you talking about??? Do you mean the following? ...his impeccable command of English language!!! (he seems to be observing the Style while forgetting about Logic!)  Sorry, man, I thought you could comprehend the sarcasm!!! (that's what a [ ] is for...) Anyways, if you think you got to me, I think voileazur got both of you much better!!! Oh were getting eachother now? tag your...wait TAG YOUR IT!!!!GOT YOU!!!! its not nice is it Jane. BTW no he didnt, cause established science got him 
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voileazur: False premise in the sense that he host is either imposing himself as some sort of false moderator, or moralizer-in-chief (impostor in either case) by isolating and correcting a certain group of people, whom do not live up to some nebulous code of civility for which our host holds the key. Excellent point, mon amour, "merci baku"!!! {pardon my French} Actually, that isn't really what I found objectional, but the host's ridiculous manner of misinterpreting my posts and arguing against those misperceptions... (and, afterwards, admitting his mistake and begging for my forgiveness!!!) As for the rest of your post (part I), I'm really glad you rubbed Daniel's nose off with his attempt of overpowering me with his impeccable command of English language!!! (he seems to be observing the Style while forgetting about Logic!) Though, I have no right of criticizing the host of the thread. Therefore I respectfully bow out! (and hope he will not follow me to other threads...) P.S. I hope the "host" would heed to "his own" advise (which he, obviously, copied from somewhere): IF YOU ARE NOT OPENMINDED AND OBJECTIVE, YOU ARE NOT IMPERVIOUS TO THIS FACT, AND MORE THAN LIKELY, AD LEAST ONE OF YOUR BELIFES IS AN PRODUCT OF SOEMONE ELSES PERSUASION AND INFLUENCE. THINK FOR YOUR SELF!!! Wow you really got under her skin. She did seem to take things far too personally though, as if we were attacking her. If you read this Jane, thanks for the compliment and know that I wasn't trying to "overpower" you, just to help enlighten everyone (including myself) by engaging in mental competition using logic (which was definitely not forgotten btw). Anyone else think I was trying to "overpower" anyone? No you werent,and despite the emotions, she can have some dang good insight sometimes. . as long as im not involved lol I was a tad less than mature myself I admit, but what can I say. I can only hear "your wrong and stupid" so many times. Anyways, about the discourse. I think if you ever have time, read up or even look up on wikki, Bells Therom. Id like to have a discussion concerning it but nobodyy iv met has any knowledge on it. |
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Topic:
Bullies and logic
Edited by
jasonpfaff
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Thu 01/14/10 08:13 PM
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voileazur: False premise in the sense that he host is either imposing himself as some sort of false moderator, or moralizer-in-chief (impostor in either case) by isolating and correcting a certain group of people, whom do not live up to some nebulous code of civility for which our host holds the key. Excellent point, mon amour, "merci baku"!!! {pardon my French} Actually, that isn't really what I found objectional, but the host's ridiculous manner of misinterpreting my posts and arguing against those misperceptions... (and, afterwards, admitting his mistake and begging for my forgiveness!!!) As for the rest of your post (part I), I'm really glad you rubbed Daniel's nose off with his attempt of overpowering me with his impeccable command of English language!!! (he seems to be observing the Style while forgetting about Logic!) Though, I have no right of criticizing the host of the thread. Therefore I respectfully bow out! (and hope he will not follow me to other threads...) P.S. I hope the "host" would heed to "his own" advise (which he, obviously, copied from somewhere): IF YOU ARE NOT OPENMINDED AND OBJECTIVE, YOU ARE NOT IMPERVIOUS TO THIS FACT, AND MORE THAN LIKELY, AD LEAST ONE OF YOUR BELIFES IS AN PRODUCT OF SOEMONE ELSES PERSUASION AND INFLUENCE. THINK FOR YOUR SELF!!! No Jane it might be difficult for you to understand, but I think for myself, I didnt copy anything. Wait...I thought you were gonna report me? hmmmm, mabey someone read her posts and replys.... Oh yeah, one more thing...here, ill put it in the language you use (clears throught) YOU QUOTE LOGIC LIKE SCRIPTURE FROM THE BIBLE!!!!!!! YET I CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND THE REPLYS AND POST IV SEEN FROM YOU THAT HAVE NOT HAD ANY AD HOMINEMS!!!! PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ UP ON LOGICAL FAULACIES, (LIKE THE AD HOMINEM IM USING ON YOU RIGHT NOW) AND MABEY NOT USE THEM SO MUCH!!!!! I HAVNT SEEN ONE VALID ARGUMENT FROM YOU JANE NOT ONE, ALL YOU SAY IS... "YOUR WRONG YOU FOOL" IN BIG CAp locks which can be hard on the eyes after a while. Dont worry, I still like you |
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The Greatest Story ever sold
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has anyone ever seen Man From Earth? Great movie thats deals alot in this topic, I give it 5 stars
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Topic:
WHO IS GOD???
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What a silly question...Chuck Norris of course. Your awsom lol! Although John Claud could whoop his A$%! |
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WHO IS GOD???
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Bit of advise. Whether its religious doctrin or philosophy, It should hold its own under scrutiny. Beware any system, song, literature, religion or polotic that envoks your emotions but is unable or refuses to answer critical questions.
test it man, test it test it, think for your self, dont let anyone else tell you what or who God is. And if someone does tell you, for god sakes test it! lol |
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WHO IS GOD???
Edited by
jasonpfaff
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Thu 01/14/10 06:48 PM
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God is our father, friend, and superier. God is who created us God is who created/creates everything God is the one that sends good things your way in life. Dude, then explain this.  Or did the devil send him? God created "US"....... that does not meen he created our actions. That's what judgement day is for, to be judged for our actions on earth. It's called free will. But you said, 'God is the one that sends good things your way in life." yes for instance if you needed a new home, he would bring the possibility of buying that home. He doesn't "make" us do anything, he influences us and gives us the feeling to do something. But nevertheless he doesn't control us like a 5 year old does his/her dolls. God offers financing? You said he brings good things to us...doesn't he bring responsibility to us..to know not to vote for an idiot like the Dippic? Can you explain the years between 00 and 08 when a miserable failure that the religious people supported and help get elected into office has killed a million Muslims and 5K of our soldiers...and we tortured. Is that "gods plan" and is that bringing "good to us"? I am pretty ashamed of my government and my fellow Americans who helped put bad people in control...I cannot accept that explanation that I directed the example to...back to the book huh? Why do religious people tend to vote Republican...and is that "good for us"? God would bring financing something if you truely need "That object". And because people do things in God's name isn't always a good thing, that is between them and God. The war in no way no matter what anyone says could not have been in God's name. For it says in the bible to turn the other cheek. Retaliating is not turning the other cheek. In God's eyes, the USA is just as bad and wrong for attacking the other country and they were attacking us in the first place. Screw it, never mind ( = |
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I thought all that higher math was remembering the formulas? Why the need to remember the individual numbers? Because other wise I am screwed. I can barely remember my phone number and address. Great question. Any mathematics in one way or the other uses numbers or symbols that represent numbers. If you have a solid foundation of arythmatic, you can do any math, its just a matter of memorizing how to put those numbers together and what to do with them. Math can only go four ways, Addition, subtraction, multiplication, or division. So to answer your question, I dont need to, but it keeps my brain sharp. Calculators are a great tool, but they are only a tool, I use them to check my work, other than that, I either write it or do it in my head. But math and science are my future career, otherwise...id use a freakin calculator lol |
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Edited by
jasonpfaff
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Thu 01/14/10 03:06 PM
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I am currently pursuing a double major in Mathematics and Physics at the University Of Arizona (GO CATS!!!)
Iv always had a vivid imagination, and a fair understanding of how the brain operates on a neurological scale, ect... I can "see" things, objects without much trouble, I can combine certain senses and come up with a lemmon IE, feel the lemmon, smell the lemmon, see the lemmon lol. But numbers are kicking my A@@! I know numbers are hard to remember because they are difficult to associate anything with, versus.. a lemon, So I can understand why I have issues holding the number 345 in my head (clearly, like it was written down) for longer than a few seconds, but I was woundering If anyone else had any other techniques or ideas? I can do good size numbers in my head like 92*189, I can do them in less than 5 seconds, but I cant see them, I have to calculate them, and it becomes difficult to calculate anything above 1000, because I dont remember the freakin number! lol. Wow, long sentence, you can thank redbull. Heres the technique im using now. I write the number down on a piece of paper, stare at it for a while, close my eyes and try and see it. At first I could only see part of it, than eventualy I could vaugly see the whole thing for few seconds, but only a few. Imagining the number a bright color helps alittle to. Any help would be greatly appriciated! |
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Bullies and logic
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PEOPLE ARE STUPID! PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IN A LIE, A MISCONCEPTION, A WARPED TWISTED TRUTH, ANYTHING JUST TO FEEL A SENCE OF PURPOSE! PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE SMART AND CAPABLE OF SEEING THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS, AND THAT MAKES THEM SO MUCH EASIER TO FOOL. THE TRUTH IS HARD TO SELL, ITS JUST THE TRUTH...IF YOU ARE NOT OPENMINDED AND OBJECTIVE, YOU ARE NOT IMPERVIOUS TO THIS FACT, AND MORE THAN LIKELY, AD LEAST ONE OF YOUR BELIFES IS AN PRODUCT OF SOEMONE ELSES PERSUASION AND INFLUENCE. THINK FOR YOUR SELF Heres another secret; DIVERSETY IN PERSPECTIVE IS ESSENTIAL TO FINDING THE WHOLE TRUTH! PEOPLE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW THAN YOU, AND THATS OK! THATS HOW ITS MENT TO BE! SHORT OF THEM CALLING YOU A LOOSER AND LOOSING ALL CREADIBILITY BY DOING SO, HEAR THEM OUT YOU MIGHT LEARN A THING OR TWO! Wew, I feel better. Again, Im not attacking anyone in general, Im admonishing the human race as a whole. When we all truly learn to be objective, I think we will finally move out of these dark ages we have been in the last 20 000 years or so, (In terms of the masses being manipulated by a few individuals for what ever reason) Hell, mabey thats not even possible. Bravo!  Its good to know that there are others out there. Also essential is an ability to change your perspective when something closer to the truth is presented. Agreed, although ill be the first to admit that is hard to do sometimes. The whole pride thing I reckon. But we must strive to do it none the less.. |
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Bullies and logic
Edited by
jasonpfaff
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Thu 01/14/10 02:09 PM
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Voilazer, physics in fact does accept the existence of not only our reality, but many others as well.
That being said... If I die, im not sure if the world will continue to exist...ill be dead. On the other hand, science have proven that there are othere realities and demensions in existence and that the universe would continue to exist without us. (see the last 100 years of science, specificaly physics, quantum theory and Bells therom) Its a paradox ( = Ultimatly, I lean towards Daniels side. Does something have to be observed to exist? If we use the scientific definition (which seems fitting) no, it does not have to be observed, recognized or agknowledged to exist. |
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Daniel wrote above: '...If, God forbid, all of the beings that make up your consensus of reality are wiped out what is reality then? Is it any more or less real? Is its simple truth any different?...' Daniel, you seem to propose a premise from which we can only deduct that as far as you are concerned, there is a 'reality' out there, independent of human beings' ability to fully access it. As though 'reality' EXISTED, and humanity is trying to uncover more and more of it. Nothing in science, philosophy, psychology, neurology, much less theology or religion allows us to establish such premise. It leaves us with our personal sense of conviction, mixed with the seriously faulted inherited myth that 'there is a reality out there'. From everything that we can observe, reality is 100% man made. From the world of neuro-science, we've learned that the neo-cortex, our thinking, rationalizing, and so-called conscious piece of brain equipment, is 100% made-up of mimicking neurons, a feature we (humans) share with all primates. The only difference between humans and other primates, is nothing other than a natural evolutionary ACCIDENT. Humans have billions more mimicking neurons than any other primates. This accidental phenomenon gives humans the unique 'ILLUSION-MAKING' context of 'SELF-AWARENESS'!!! We, humans, are by default of nature, first and foremost SELF-AWARE beings, through a complex web of 'real' illusions. Of course WE are not ready to face the fact that it could be as INSIGNIFICANT AS THAT!!! But it is. Our fundamental, inescapable and perpetual job in life, our 'job' of 'existing', is nothing other than convincing ourselves that we exist, without ever realizing that that is what is going on!!! Over several million years of experiencing (DNA), we have built a rather rich dialectic 'code' of existence. A very rich web of languaging, symbols and master 'meanings' with which we all agree: this is the underlying overwhelming human 'consensus' I think 'Jane1' referred to earlier. That consensus IS our only 'reality' !!! Nothing out there other than what we can name, give meaning to, and all agree with. The 'reality' if it is, IS WITHIN!!! ... NOT OUT THERE!!! If 'god' (as though that existed!) had wiped out humans and their then consensus that the earth was FLAT, and was THE CENTER OT THE UNIVERSE, are you suggesting that that would have had anything to do with a reality other than man-made?!?!? That's what was 'really' real for humans back then. They killed those whom didn't agree!!! Are you suggesting that just because it happens to be 'our generation', that OUR REALITY today is more real??? Are you suggesting nothing other than there would be this unknown 'thinking' out there, other than 'humans', that would oppose ITS reality against against ours??? I think the next breakthrough humans have yet to make collectively, is to move our ability to think beyond this circular, neo-cortex given, 'self-centric' exclusive, human paradigm. This 'truth', this 'reality', this 'god of gods', this 'place' OUT THERE that holds it all!!! ... is part of the cheap, limiting, and delusional paradox we keep holding as 'reality', when in fact, all leads us to observe there is nothing other then OUR REALITY!!! You seem like you want to refute what I am saying and then you give a lot of supporting arguments for it, thanks but next time you can just agree with me.  Science, philosophy, psychology, neurology, theology, AND religion all came into existence as a search for those truths that are objective and part of ultimate reality. There IS an objective reality outside of our existence, whether we see it or not. Like you said the belief that the world was flat and the center of the universe didn't make it so. The actual reality was the same though humans didn't see it for what it was yet. Our beliefs determine how we see reality, not reality itself. To say there is nothing other than OUR reality is to say we are all in a dream, is that what you are trying to say? By the way even if this is all a dream of mine and reality really is what I make it to be, there is still an ultimate reality beyond my dream world. You are right that the consensus is your only reality if you choose it to be. There are two things to it though, what you think is happening and what is really happening, two things create your reality. One can not exist without the other, unless this happens to be a crazy vivid dream. Without something to interpret can there be an interpretation? Why do we have a consensus to begin with? We are trying to uncover what IS and as we uncover more and more we come to conclusions about IT, we may be wrong but that is what all this searching is about. It seems like you missed my point about all sentient beings being wiped out, and by the way I didn't say that God wiped them out either. I meant that after humans are gone does the Earth cease to exist? How about the sun? Gravity? Or whatever forces hold things together throughout the universe? These things exist outside of out perceptions and are part of an ultimate reality. Our perceptions don't change how they function but merely our understanding of them. |
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I can not possibly understand where anyone can fault me for mentioning that arguments or any conversation would be so much more efficient and actually get somewhere if all parties are respectful!
Ill give an example. Calling someone a looser because you disagree is not...you guessed it...respectful! If you were talking to someone on the street, and you didnt like their views, would you call them a looser? Its childish is it not? Theres no "imposing" its a matter of being matture, isnt it? When I talk to someone, I always give them their due respect, and I expect it in return. That "nebulous code of civility" is the standard of civilized society. Perhaps instead we should all find bones and sticks and bludgeon eachother to solve arguments. That apears the only succseful means for keping your head above water in this forum. Its extreemly disheartening. Jane, REPORT ME!!!! LOOK AT YOUR POSTS, LOOK AT YOUR VOCABULARY CHOICE, THEN LOOK AT MINE, THEN REPORT ME!!! IT WILL SAVE ME THE TROUBLE OF REPORTING YOU! This isnt directed toward anyone in general, but I CAN NOT BELIEVE that I am having a discussion with ADULTS on basic RESPECT, something that should have been taught in kindergarden, and I have to defend myself!!!! Im going to share a secret with you all. This is not meant to anyone person, and no doubt someone will take this the wrong way and flip out and call me stupid and a losser, but at this point, I dont care. I give DUE respect. PEOPLE ARE STUPID! PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IN A LIE, A MISCONCEPTION, A WARPED TWISTED TRUTH, ANYTHING JUST TO FEEL A SENCE OF PURPOSE! PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE SMART AND CAPABLE OF SEEING THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS, AND THAT MAKES THEM SO MUCH EASIER TO FOOL. THE TRUTH IS HARD TO SELL, ITS JUST THE TRUTH...IF YOU ARE NOT OPENMINDED AND OBJECTIVE, YOU ARE NOT IMPERVIOUS TO THIS FACT, AND MORE THAN LIKELY, AD LEAST ONE OF YOUR BELIFES IS AN PRODUCT OF SOEMONE ELSES PERSUASION AND INFLUENCE. THINK FOR YOUR SELF Heres another secret; DIVERSETY IN PERSPECTIVE IS ESSENTIAL TO FINDING THE WHOLE TRUTH! PEOPLE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW THAN YOU, AND THATS OK! THATS HOW ITS MENT TO BE! SHORT OF THEM CALLING YOU A LOOSER AND LOOSING ALL CREADIBILITY BY DOING SO, HEAR THEM OUT YOU MIGHT LEARN A THING OR TWO! Wew, I feel better. Again, Im not attacking anyone in general, Im admonishing the human race as a whole. When we all truly learn to be objective, I think we will finally move out of these dark ages we have been in the last 20 000 years or so, (In terms of the masses being manipulated by a few individuals for what ever reason) Hell, mabey thats not even possible. Jane, I never ment to hummiliate you of course, but for the record I only have as much power as you give me. If I humiliated you, you let me. |
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I most definatly agree with your views on "its all relative"(if im interpreting it right). I agree, it is all relative, but its also all distinct. Distinction is the missing peice of the puzzle. That rock may be made up information just as we are,(info in terms of physics) but it is still a rock and we are still human. There is a clear distinction. To make any conclusion on this topic based soley on relativity is most definatly a hasty generalization. As far as logic goes, if we use the expository definition which is inference, I dont think feelings have anything to do with it. Someone can reason based on emotions sure, but if your reason is logical, than you are using logic as your operating system for your reason. I know thats kinda hazy bare with me ( = That does not mean you should abandone your emotions, I think thats a mistake. This is a personal perspective, but I always give my emotions and intuition an audiance, I never ignore them. But they do not govern my reason, only logic governs my reason. That I believe creates a system of checks and balances, Its all a matter of ballance. As far as arguments go, I definatly encourage them. Think of it like were all in a room, face to face... If we were all civilized and respectful, our argument would get somewhere, or adleast we hear some new perspectives and have a chance to have ours challanged. If we acted like we do on this forum (myself included I admit) we would all go to jail haha. Or adleast Jane and I would. (Joke) ( IE IM arguing against MyGenerations comment on feelings and logic, but Im doing it respectfully and either way I still hold her perspective in high regaurd because she has always respected me, that is the most efficient way to argue and learn I think) |
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i don't agree with your statements- Logic is functional only and oly if you reason. if i agee or disagree i have reason to believe not not to belive, So, lets not forget that everything is relative. You lost me here, can you elaborate please? Here, let me clarify my posistion. Logic is a system of reason, and reason is a system of thoughts and thinking. There is arbitrary reason, emotional reason, logical reason, ect... Regaurdless, you have to reason if your human, or animal for that matter. And beliefe in my book is a completely seperate department from logic. But than again I may be taking this out of context, lol id like to here more if you dont mind. |
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Eienstein humiliated his teachers? So your saying he shouldnt have done the things he did, he should have played by the rules? Jason, I find it very difficult carrying the conversation with you because you keep on MISinterpreting me! --- I said: contrary to Hitler (who simply killed some of the teachers who've failed him), * Eistein -- through his theories -- has humiliated some of the teachers who've failed him... ??? How do you interpret that as My saying [he shouldnt have done the things he did, he should have played by the rules]? ? ? In fact, Einstein has always been very polite... But imagine those teachers' humiliation when he became famous? ? ? (that is what the term a "Last Laugh" means: He who gets to laugh last, laughs the best!!! In fact, you tend to contradict yourself: at first, YOU insisted everybody should stick to the rules... But mow, your saying: Where would mankind be if we played by your rules Jane? And that's a cheap blow below the belt: YOU insisted everybody stop arguing and play by the rules!!! You see, first YOU misinterpret others and humiliate them with your misinterpretions... And then -- when pointed to your misinterpretation -- you offer your appologies.... WHO NEEDS YOUR EXCUSES? ? ? * * * And you dare asking me to be polite? ? ? WHY DON'T YOU GET OFF MY BACK ??? By all means argue. I never said not to, I said be polite thats all. For the record I dont think Einstein humiliated anyone. He Re defined gravity and explaned why Newtons laws dont always work. In any case, this whole discusion I thought was about just being civilized but you said something about not arguing, so please, allow me to clarify. You can argue, just be polite. ( = ps, you brought up the whole sit down and listen to your teachers thing, thats what I was refering to when I said rules. Frankly Jane this isnt getting anywhere, so theres no use going any further. When your ready to have a civilized convo, let me know id love to pick your brain, untill than, your more than welcome to share your feelings, I may or may not respond. |
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