Sorry about that, but you guys do take the most radical and irrational of available positions on most subjects. I don't mean to be hard on you guys, but some of this stuff is really so simple even children understand it. I know that you are the product of your environment, but there comes a time that you have to stop accepting everything you've been taught by rote.

Mankind made 'god'....man INVENTED 'god'. So this statement is redundant....and delusion at it's finest.




Virtue is so far removed from the machinations and impulses mobilised into violence and 'war'...the logic of this statement is even more ludicrous than the prior one.

War encourages the most prolific examples of depravity and violence one human can do to another, it is offensive to have you espouse such utter garbage.




Valour......a propagandist delusion created to inspire fools to murder others....under the guise of 'war'.

I don't hate war.... I intensely despise the corrupted logic of ignorant fools.

Mankind made 'god'....man INVENTED 'god'. So this statement is redundant....and delusion at it's finest.




Virtue is so far removed from the machinations and impulses mobilised into violence and 'war'...the logic of this statement is even more ludicrous than the prior one.

War encourages the most prolific examples of depravity and violence one human can do to another, it is offensive to have you espouse such utter garbage.




Valour......a propagandist delusion created to inspire fools to murder others....under the guise of 'war'.

I don't hate war.... I intensely despise the corrupted logic of ignorant fools.

Truly. I have absolutely nothing against Spider whatsoever.

I'm just denouncing the hypothesis that he's attempting to establish.

Nothing personal intended whatsoever.

The only reason the religion thing even came up was two-fold:

1. Spider himself offered that absolute morals can only exist if a God exists.

2. Spider himself referenced the 10 Commandments as a source of absolute right and wrong.

That opened the door (actually it demanded) that the religous question be addressed. So that's the only reason I even went there.

I have nothing against any Christians.

However, I will voice my reasons why I don't believe in the foundational doctrines of that religion. Especially if it's being held up as a source of absolute morality. It becomes a political agenda then and is no longer a mere faith-based religion at that point.

You said:


I really wasn't going to, but I will since you want me to give you attention.

In green, you state that you don't talk as if you know something about me.

In red, you make an assertion about my behavior without any evidence.

I'm not going to declare myself the winner, but I am smiling.

That certainly appears to be what it's all about. That whole win-lose thing is ego driven and has nothing to do with the topic.

I'm more interested in truth than in people's sense of ego.

Three people have clearly showed the flaws in the hypothesis that "there exists an absolute right and wrong", especially if it is being held that the 10 commandments and a particular religion supposedly has something do do with that ideal. Those religions can't even agree on what's absolutely right or wrong, so it's an absurd example to begin with.

It really doesn't matter who proposed the hypothesis. The hypothesis has been shown to be clearly false.

That's the bottom line.

Nothing personal implied.

jasonpfaff,

You talk as if you know something about me, frankly, you don't. I do challenge my beliefs, Christians are called upon to do just that by the Bible. I have never had a doubt put into my head by anyone in these forums, their argument aren't convincing. I have had my beliefs strongly challenged by a couple different Imams, but that's neither here nor there. What I find so liberating about Christianity is that it allows me, no...it demands, that I search my heart and the scriptures. If I find the Bible contradictory or flawed, then I will turn away from it. Simple as that. I choose to be a Christian, I don't have to be. Until a few years ago, I wasn't. So far, I have found that Christianity offers a firm foundation of beliefs. If that changes...well I'll deal with that when it happens.

I think you would do better to not assume and instead ask.

If you honestly believe that you've ripped anyone's arguments to shreds you're truly in denial.

Sky blew your arguments out of the water, as did I, as did dragoness as well.

You haven't even come back with a sound argument much less tearing anyone else's arguments to shreds.

We see people come on here all the time who are in complete denial of how weak their arguments are. You're not even a rare occurance.

I've proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that your appeal to a religious doctrine (i.e. the one containing the 10 commandments) can't possibly represent any absolute sense of right and wrong, because even the most devoted religious scholars can't agree with each other on how to even interpret it.

That totally invalidated your argument right there.

Yet you continue to pretend that you still have a valid point.

That's just denial on your part is all. Nothing personal but you just can't seem to even recognize when you're arguments have been totally obliterated.

So do everyone a favor and go back to bed. Maybe you can win a debate in your dreams.

Sir, I am responding to posts created by others. If you wish to chastise me for being off topic, I think it would be appropriate to also chastise the others who are off topic.

If you are referring to something else I've done as "bad manners and child like behavior", then I am at a loss for what you are talking about.

Regardless, threads will evolve and change as they grow. You should at least take some pleasure in knowing that your topic has spawned a debate and either join in or sit back and read it.