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Topic: Bush Silent, but Others Speak Out on Tibet Crackdown
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Sat 03/22/08 08:33 PM
WASHINGTON - China’s violent crackdown on protesters in Tibet is having powerful political reverberations in Washington, where the White House is weighing how far to go in condemning the Chinese government, even as it defends President Bush’s decision to attend the Summer Olympics in Beijing.

Mr. Bush has long said the United States and China have “a complex relationship,” and that complexity was on full display this week. While his administration has called for an end to the violence, and his secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, phoned her Chinese counterpart to urge restraint, Mr. Bush himself has remained silent.

In the meantime, the presidential candidates are speaking out, as is the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. On Friday, Ms. Pelosi visited the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, at his headquarters in Dharamsala, India - and poked a finger in the eye of Beijing.

Describing the clashes in the past week between Chinese security forces and Tibetan demonstrators as “a challenge to conscience of the world,” Ms. Pelosi, Democrat of California, said, “If freedom-loving people throughout the world do not speak out against China’s oppression in China and Tibet, we have lost all moral authority to speak on behalf of human rights anywhere in the world.”

If it seemed like a direct challenge to Mr. Bush, he did not take the bait.

“At this point, there is no doubt that the Chinese government knows where President Bush stands,” said Gordon D. Johndroe, a White House spokesman. He said the White House had no comment on Ms. Pelosi’s visit.

The Dalai Lama has lived in exile in India since 1959, when China crushed an uprising in Tibet, his homeland. He has been pressing, without success, to return to China to advocate for greater cultural and religious freedom for his followers. China, though, has branded him a “splittist” and has accused him of masterminding the current wave of protests - a charge Ms. Pelosi dismissed as nonsense on Friday.

It was unclear what Ms. Pelosi’s visit would yield for Tibetans. But for Ms. Pelosi, the timing was propitious. In front of a horde of television news cameras that had decamped all week to cover the Dalai Lama, she and her husband, Paul, descended the stairs of the main temple to huge applause, the 72-year-old Buddhist monk between them, holding their hands.

Nuns and schoolchildren waved American flags. The Dalai Lama ordered his followers to rise and offer Ms. Pelosi a standing ovation. One man held up a homemade placard that read, “Thank you for recognizing nonviolent struggle.”

The visit provoked a tart response from the Chinese ambassador to India, who depicted it as American interference. “We don’t allow anybody to meddle in China’s internal affairs,” the ambassador, Zhang Yan, told reporters in New Delhi, according to The Press Trust of India. “Any attempt to cause trouble to China is doomed to fail.”

Ms. Pelosi is hardly the only American politician taking China to task. On Friday, Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, traveling in France, warned that China’s behavior was “not acceptable” for a world power. Earlier in the week, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, the two Democratic presidential contenders, issued strong criticisms of China.

Mr. Bush, too, has made a strong show of solidarity with the Dalai Lama. In October, he met privately with the Tibetan leader at the White House and then attended a ceremony at the Capitol, where the Dalai Lama was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal. It was the first time the two had appeared in public together, and the White House was well aware of the symbolism.

China analysts say the violence in Tibet demands that the president chart a careful course. “I think to the extent that he can work the issue privately, it’s better, frankly,” said Jeffrey A. Bader, an Asia specialist who worked at the National Security Council under President Clinton. “The public statements just make the Chinese dig in their heels all the more, make them more resolute in their repression.”

American presidents have historically found relations with China to be a delicate dance. But none more so than Mr. Bush, especially since September, when he met with China’s president, Hu Jintao, in Sydney, Australia, and accepted Mr. Hu’s invitation to attend the Beijing Olympics.

Mr. Bush has said that he wants to support American athletes and views the Games as a sporting event, but that he will use his attendance to put pressure on China to improve its human rights record. But human rights advocates have linked the Olympics with violence in the Darfur region of Sudan and have accused Mr. Bush of giving his imprimatur to a country that, in their view, is not exerting enough influence as a major buyer of Sudanese oil to stop what the White House has termed a genocide.

On Capitol Hill, two representatives, Dana Rohrabacher, Republican of California, and Neil Abercrombie, Democrat of Hawaii, are leading a push for a boycott of the Beijing Games. China analysts, though, say Mr. Bush has little choice but to attend, even if it means a political backlash at home.

“This is China’s coming out party,” said Michael Green, an Asia expert and former Bush administration official. “If he were to cancel, it would be such a loss of face for China that it would make working with them on issues from North Korea to human rights much more difficult.”

So far, Mr. Bush has stood firm.

“I’m going to the Olympics,” the president said last month, when Steven Spielberg, the filmmaker, announced that he was dropping out as an artistic adviser for the Games. “I view the Olympics as a sporting event. On the other hand, I have a little different platform than Steven Spielberg, so I get to talk to President Hu Jintao.”

If the violence in Tibet grows, however, the pressure could increase for Mr. Bush to take some kind of symbolic stand. The French foreign minister said this week that he would entertain the idea of skipping the Olympics opening ceremony - a symbolic gesture that would be less than a full boycott. Mr. Johndroe said such a step was not under discussion at the White House.

“We’re focused on ending the violence now,” he said, “not an event six months from now.”

Sheryl Gay Stolberg reported from Washington, and Somini Sengupta from Dharamsala, India.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/world/asia/22prexy.html?ref=world

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Sat 03/22/08 08:55 PM
I didn't bother to read through all this dribble; but heres a sensible solution: QUIT BUYING CHINESE CRAP! Support your local craftsman! Every dollar you send to china supports Communism!

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Sat 03/22/08 09:05 PM
I agree blackfork but it is verry hard to do. I just find it Ironic we are trying to build a democracy in the middle east and we continue to be Chinas largest export market, its a great way to seperate political spin from reality, you know what they say action speaks louder than words

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Sat 03/22/08 09:07 PM
sounds like you want Bush to meddle in the affairs of a sovereign nation - um, where in the world did I hear you were against such.........lip service doesn't accomplish much!

madisonman's photo
Sat 03/22/08 09:13 PM

sounds like you want Bush to meddle in the affairs of a sovereign nation - um, where in the world did I hear you were against such.........lip service doesn't accomplish much!
I would think some type of economic embargo would do the trick, some type of detante perhapse not a blank check to sell us all there tainted crap..but realy if you'd like to get real, its mostly our companies exploiting the slave labor and exporting back here that are doing all the dirty work.

no photo
Sat 03/22/08 09:35 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Sat 03/22/08 09:35 PM
yeah boy, that UN embargo and oil for food program worked real well in Iraq.....

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Sat 03/22/08 09:43 PM

yeah boy, that UN embargo and oil for food program worked real well in Iraq.....
it did work well sadam was contained didnt attack any more neighbores was broke had no wmds program etc etc......dont foget b4 you condem the iraqis or french or whome eve for cheating we just had an american convicted in that scam as well.

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Sat 03/22/08 09:50 PM
NEW YORK—A Houston man who has pleaded guilty to participating in a scheme to pay illegal kickbacks to the former government of Iraq in connection with the purchase of crude oil through the United Nations Oil-for-Food Program between mid-2000 and 2003 has been sentenced to two years in federal prison and ordered to pay restitution of over $9 million.

David B. Chalmers Jr., 54, and the two corporations that he operated, Bayoil (USA) Inc., a Delaware corporation with principal offices in Houston and Bayoil Supply & Trading Limited, a Bahamian company with principal offices in Nassau, Bahamas appeared before U.S. District Judge Denny Chin in Manhattan
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/news/2008/03/07/oil_for_food_sentencing/

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Sat 03/22/08 09:52 PM


yeah boy, that UN embargo and oil for food program worked real well in Iraq.....
it did work well sadam was contained didnt attack any more neighbores was broke had no wmds program etc etc......dont foget b4 you condem the iraqis or french or whome eve for cheating we just had an american convicted in that scam as well.


didn't attack anymore neighbors? How was he going to get past the no fly zones?

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Sat 03/22/08 09:55 PM
drinker



yeah boy, that UN embargo and oil for food program worked real well in Iraq.....
it did work well sadam was contained didnt attack any more neighbores was broke had no wmds program etc etc......dont foget b4 you condem the iraqis or french or whome eve for cheating we just had an american convicted in that scam as well.


didn't attack anymore neighbors? How was he going to get past the no fly zones?
exactly

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Sat 03/22/08 10:01 PM
and you gotta know the embargo was a total failure.

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Sat 03/22/08 10:03 PM

drinker



yeah boy, that UN embargo and oil for food program worked real well in Iraq.....
it did work well sadam was contained didnt attack any more neighbores was broke had no wmds program etc etc......dont foget b4 you condem the iraqis or french or whome eve for cheating we just had an american convicted in that scam as well.


didn't attack anymore neighbors? How was he going to get past the no fly zones?
exactly


flowerforyou drinker

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Sat 03/22/08 10:08 PM

and you gotta know the embargo was a total failure.
saddam was contained america was not at war and bankrupted oil prices were within in reasone, not sure what your definition of failure isdrinker getting late for me thanks for the conversation

IndianaJoans's photo
Sun 03/23/08 09:42 AM

I agree blackfork but it is verry hard to do. I just find it Ironic we are trying to build a democracy in the middle east and we continue to be Chinas largest export market, its a great way to seperate political spin from reality, you know what they say action speaks louder than words

How much stuff have YOU bought in the last month that is made in China? If the government got involved in China's affairs there would be people b*tching about that. Just can't win. noway Stop buying Chinese made goods and put your money where your mouth is people! I know I know, blood sucking union's anti-business tactics have priced us out of competition but buy American anyway.glasses

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Sun 03/23/08 09:44 AM


I agree blackfork but it is verry hard to do. I just find it Ironic we are trying to build a democracy in the middle east and we continue to be Chinas largest export market, its a great way to seperate political spin from reality, you know what they say action speaks louder than words

How much stuff have YOU bought in the last month that is made in China? If the government got involved in China's affairs there would be people b*tching about that. Just can't win. noway Stop buying Chinese made goods and put your money where your mouth is people! I know I know, blood sucking union's anti-business tactics have priced us out of competition but buy American anyway.glasses


drinker drinker drinker drinker

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Sun 03/23/08 09:50 AM


I agree blackfork but it is verry hard to do. I just find it Ironic we are trying to build a democracy in the middle east and we continue to be Chinas largest export market, its a great way to seperate political spin from reality, you know what they say action speaks louder than words

How much stuff have YOU bought in the last month that is made in China? If the government got involved in China's affairs there would be people b*tching about that. Just can't win. noway Stop buying Chinese made goods and put your money where your mouth is people! I know I know, blood sucking union's anti-business tactics have priced us out of competition but buy American anyway.glasses



IJ:

I think your pooch says it all!!

But, it is hard on a lot of products to buy American. But, I do my best whenever I can - buy American.

Lindyy
:heart:

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Sun 03/23/08 09:54 AM


sounds like you want Bush to meddle in the affairs of a sovereign nation - um, where in the world did I hear you were against such.........lip service doesn't accomplish much!
I would think some type of economic embargo would do the trick, some type of detante perhapse not a blank check to sell us all there tainted crap..but realy if you'd like to get real, its mostly our companies exploiting the slave labor and exporting back here that are doing all the dirty work.

Companies use labor that is profitable in order to be profitable. Unions suck the profitability out of competing in world markets. It has nothing to do with slave labor it has to do with regional economics, cost of living, what the market will bear, etc. If labor, taxation, etc. cost too much to be able to market a product at a price comparable to your competition you either make changes or go out of business. Why do you suppose unions are being broken in businesses each year? Companies want to stay here and the smarter union members understand that they need to stop being part of the problem and be part of the solution. The dumber ones will b*tch their way to the poor house because they are bubba's that sit around under their hard hats with a stupid ass smirk on their face and just don't get it.

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Sun 03/23/08 09:54 AM
Two words......

Protective Tariffs!

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Sun 03/23/08 09:56 AM
Drat! Late for church. Happy Easter everyone! flowerforyou

Fanta46's photo
Sun 03/23/08 10:07 AM
Protective Tariffs! =
American job security, small business, and consumer protection against inferior products!!

Americans voted Bush in Office
You cant expect them to be smart enough to understand that buying Wal-Mart is giving away their childrens future.
Let alone adding to the weak dollar through a lop-sided trade defecit and a lower quality of life!

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