i love when hillbillys talk about this subject and call mexicans
stupid...i look at them and laugh.most of them speak 2 languages if not
more and are better trained in a wider variety of jobs(because of their
willingness to do the jobs americans feel they are above).my question
is,when did being american start meaning you were right in all things
and smarter than the rest of the worlds population?

i begining to think we need to send them all home the ones that are
legal help the ones who arent to come in but what realy gets to me is
the lack of respect the illegals seem to have if your an american then
wave the flag the american flag an speak english not spanish be courtius
not rude seems like alot of the women are descent but not the men they
are rude alot an think we should deal with it . not without a fight the
crime has gone up alot since we have more of them now dont have to
beleive me just read the police reports in the paper everyday its unreal
if they want us to except them then they need to do right by us no
blaring spanish music so loud everyone in the building is annoyed by it
turn it down an let others enjoy theirs as well work with us not against
us. one almost ran into my door the other day an did not care at all
another parked so close to my truck i had to yell at him so he would
move so i could get in my truck . respect its very important the illegal
protest they had after that crud i quit eating at spanish resturants
altogether an any other spanish stores.tired of being blamed because im
getting stepped on everywhere i go an cant keep from saying something
about it . makes me sick .

Way to Go '***** willow',

Given your young age, generous spirit, and very wise words,
I see hope coming from the younger generations to clean-up some of this
old smell of 'ignorance' and xenophobia (OH! sorry, fear and hatred of
everything foreign).

T'was a needed breadth of fresh air to read your piece on this otherwise
'low flying' post.


You're not alone '***** willow'.

YOU WANT A SOLUTION TO END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION???

Here goes nothing!!!

Gather every,

'good church going, cardcarrying, bungalow owning, McDonald eating, SUV
driving, full fledge-white-Christian-US citizen (socalled 'legals'),

and tell them to respect our laws:
- don't pay 25$ for a black market 3 000$ Rolex, IT'S ILLGAL.
- Don't cheat on your tax returns, it's illegal.
- Don't buy illicit drugs, IT'S ILLEGAL.
- Don't bring stuff across the border without declaring and paying
custom feEs on it, IT'S ILLEGAL.
- Don't pay under-wage, under-age, or under the table people for their
work, just because it's 'DARN CHEAP MAN!', IT'S ILLEGAL
- Don't condemn someone for doing exactly what you do yourself: just
about 'anything' to better your personnal situation, IT'S UN-CHRISTIAN,
AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, ILLEGAL.

Now add-up each line ABOVE, AND TELL ME WHO THE REAL ILLEGALS ARE?

My point is:

'... If you're unwilling to stop scratching the blister, at least stop
complaining about the bleeding!!!'

We, the 'legals', are collectively the root CAUSE!!! And we CAN'T have
our cake and eat it too!!! We had better learn to live with our broter
human beings, 'cause I don't think we'll ever be able to catch all the
'real illegals'!!!

losing our rights every day if your a simple white boy they hire
minorites an have black history month there are more illegals here than
ever before . but our goverment does not care . i an other poor whites
pay every day for what happened before our time if we werent racist
after all the bs about it an how bad were all supposed to be we just
might start becomeing racist . i for one think if you want to get past
it treat everyone equal that means u have to learn english if ur in
america if i went to mexico i wouldnt expect everyone to speak english .
an have some respect about you no matter what u are dont see me going
every where wanting a ride for free or flying another countrys flag in
america if ur here be an american no blaring the spanish station as loud
as it can be turned up even the boses wont say much to them for fear of
harasment suits whos being unfair think about it just trying to make a
liveing without it being ramed down my throat.

Okay so whats your point.

guess my feelings on this issue were to much seeing as they didnt post
it i say its destroying america

ty for posting it

my point being that i dont think were the ones still hating step back
take a look we welcomed everyone here if some one comes to your home an
disrespects everything about it do u tell them to stop or just sit back
an do nothing.

so let me get this strait...you dont like the fact their is a black
history month and your rights are being trampled because people come
here and dont learn your language.oh and they blast their radio at
work.hell...i never saw it that way...lets throw em all out!!!

...and this is your religion?

here in AZ that is a big issue.. I see them walking through the desert..
wanting to work and start a life.. alot of them it has taking them many
days to get this far.. I feel bad.. If we help them we get in trouble..
so alittle food and water they move on.
There are also the ones doing drug running and they will kill you... no
kidding there.. but a majority just want to live with a nice life.. they
work very hard and keep to themselves.. I wish they would make it easier
for them.. but they do have to have papers.. I feel bad.. and do what I
can.. but can not risk my sercurity in the process.

grizzly, who are you talking about, are you comparing blacks too
illegal mexicans ?

Respectfully 'grizzly',

On your first message (page 3):

"... i begining to think we need to send them all home the ones that are
legal help the ones who arent to come in "

If I understand well, you're basically suggesting that you, a citizen
of the US, would send another citizen of the US 'HOME'.

At first read, that's seems a bit redundant to me, since both yourself
and this other citizen (pick any other citizen of the US) are already
AT HOME, HERE, IN THE US!!!

So, I am puzzled?!?!
What do you mean: send him back!!! If I ask any citizen of the US, the
following question: "...Where are you from?" They'll obviously answer:
"... I'M FROM THE US !!!".

I'm just as sure, to the same question you would also answer: "... I
AM FROM THE US!!!"

And of course both you, and any other US citizen would be absolutely
right. You're both FROM here!!! The US!!!

Now that goes for you 'grizzly', whether you have British, Scottish,
Irish, Italian, French, German, Indian, African, Spanish, Asian, or any
other national or blood origins; as it goes for any other US citizen.

Maybe to help with this puzzle, we should turn it around, and ask:

"...if 'some' were to send YOU back,... WHERE would you go?!?"

... and more importantly, given that the US IS NOT a FASCIST STATE,
where in the US constitution could be found the authority of the 'some',
deciding on the fate of equal others?!?!?

That's for the first puzzle I encountered in your posting.

The other puzzle I've encountered was in the content of your second
message (also page 3).

This time, you bring up the colour WHITE as a means of separating US
citizens. It went like this:

"... losing our rights every day if your a simple white boy..."

and,

"... but our goverment does not care . i an other poor whites
pay every day..."

Again, this brings us back to the US Constitution. And I must assure
you 'grizzly', there is no discrimination against WHITES in this US.

When you read the constitution, it is VERY CLEAR!!!

All US citizens, EVEN THE WHITE ONES, are equal.

Again, just to clarify, did you mean to write:
(I just took the libety of taking the word 'WHITE' out, since we are all
equal)

"... losing our rights every day if your a 'simple boy'..." ,
instead of, "... simple white boy ..."

AND,

"... but our goverment does not care . i an 'other poor'
pay every day...", instead of, "... other poor whites..."

Can you, 'grizzly, or anyone else, please help resolve these
puzzles???

Because, ... IF 'SIMPLE' BOYS ARE LOSING THEIR RIGHTS (the US
constitution defends the rights of the feeble minded),

and

...IF THE POORS PAY (where do they get the money???) !!!

I want to know how that is possible in this great country?

... And I want to help stop these problems if they exist:
"... I suggest we give the 'simple boys' an education,
... they'll make money,
... and won't grow up to be POOR,
... such that they too, can THINK some, and PAY their way!!!

i will always stand for the place i was born an raised an who ever
doesnt like it doesnt have to but i think they should at least be a
citizen first before they have the right to say what we should do in our
own home towns an country . i never wanted to be rich but do want a fair
shake in life not all of us are born with books smarts but do pretty
good in life. an dont like it when others try to impose their silly
beleifs down our lives an say to us deal with it . we know its not right
but thats your problem thats the way it is for alot of people who were
born an raised here right here not some where else . an have a respect
for our homes not destroy it an not have anything done to us for doing
it . call it what u want i call it discrimation an illegal.

I havn't read all of the posts on this topic, but I believe that the
government wants illegals to come to this country. That way more people
will have to live off of the government.(Witch are the people really, or
suppose to be. They are suppose to be civil servants.) It gererates more
poor people. When the government helps out people, then they have
control over the people, or they don't get the help. What this really
trickels down to, that they don't want you to know, is that we the
people are paying to get less freedom. What people don't realize is that
people that don't work and pay taxes are hurting our country. They are
taking our freedom. I know that this sounds harsh, but it is true. The
government stands on the backs of the hard working poor to make
themselves rich. And the hard working poor Pay them to do just that.If
this is my last post, Then you know that the government took me out.
LOL.

Than You Leroy, that was my point exactly in an earlier thread. They
are here because we americans (as a class) think ourselves too good to
work for minimum wage or less. We think ourselves too good to work in
the fields. One question? What did our
great-great-great-great-great-Grandfather do to provide for his family?
What would have happened if he said no, this is beneath my dignity?

Okay 'grizzly',

FIRST of all, I need to remind you that "w.w.w." does not stand for
"World War for Whippets"!!!

It stands for WORLD Wide Web. When you write on these WEB forums,
you're are 'virtually' leaving the comfort of your Arkansas hometown in
the US, and you enter in contact with the world.

In the world wide web, people have the RIGHT to 'say' what they think
of your Country, your hometown, your thoughts, and your opinions.
Spaniards, French, Italians, Russians, Chinese, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews,
Christians, heck, EVEN IRAQUIS could come and 'say' what they think
about YOUR opinions!!!

... And you didn't answer the question I asked you!!!

When you send an other American citizen 'BACK HOME', as you suggested,
WHERE DO YOU SEND HIM ???
(please just answer the question).

for voilezeur (sp?)

I am sorry, for the most part I agree with you about what you said.
However, as far as whites and discrimination, i have to disagree. Yes,
the constitution states otherwise like you said. BUT in reality...

1. we have black, womens, spanish, etc. history month. We have a
history month every month of the year to REMIND us of how we
discriminated against others.
2. We have laws (some HAVE been abolished) that state that as an
employee, we HAVE to have so many black personnel, so many female
personnel, etc NO MATTER WHAT THEIR CREDENTIALS. lets say you have ten
employee slots, And the magic number for minorities is ten percent.
You have eleven people apply for the jobs. Ten white males have
experience, have knowlege, and have great referances. the eleventh
person is a black woman (as an example) and is not as qulified. you
hire veryone but the black woman; You are guilty of discrimination
because 10 percent of your workforce isnot minority status.

Nowe back to whites. If you look at the numbers, and add everything up,
you will see htat there are less positions evailable for the white male.
Myself as an example: I am a divorced white male with custody of two
children. I was also licensed in the Nursing Field. To sum it up? I
am a single white male nurse. i am one of hte biggest minorities in
america. AND YES I HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST! I was fired from
my last nursing job because higher nurse, accused me of leaving 20 beds
wet with urine, a quadilapedric (sp?) hanging out of her bed naked and
soaked with urine and feces, etc etc etc.
There was no investigation, it was word against word. Now I could see
hte possibility of MAYBE one bed being wet, as my last rounds were an
hour before shift change, but 20? Give me a break! This particular
Nursing Home has hired over twenty males in the last two years, and
every last one with one exception has been fired within ninety days on
charges like mine. What does that suggest? I never followed through
with it in court cause I did not have the energy or the time to do so.
I wish I had done so, but I didnt. Any questions please ask.

daniel48706,

While I sincerely have a lot of sympathy for the difficult personnal
situation you have to deal with: juggling with your spouse's illness,
family, work and all the rest that a single father has to face,

... and while you may have been victim of some form of discrimination
yourself (it shouldn't be tolerated or accepted if you could demonstrate
it),

... you cannot suggest, based on that one very specific case of yours,
however legitimate it may be, that there is a systematic mentality and
due process of discrimation against 'white' America.

Not only 'whites', but WASP's, are still the overwhelming majority of
the people whom hold nearly all posts of power. Make all laws, and are
in position of control to ensure that they're enforced. If there is
discrimination, it is 'whites' against 'whites', and it is 'whites'
made.

I dare hope that the old monolithic 'WASP' block is being chipped away
to make room for a better balance in sharing our levers and controls of
society. But we are very far from having reached that place, where
white people could legitimately stand up as minority (in population and
in places of power) to claim that it is being discriminated agaisnt.