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Topic: Bush Policies Likely to Blame for More Teen Births
armydoc4u's photo
Thu 02/28/08 08:20 AM


so everyone criticizes, and even more complain... but what would the forefathers do, I only refer to them because it seems as tho they are still some of the smartest guys to ever put forth thouht onto paper and actually make a diference.

what is the solution, do we go to the extremes such as the way of the chinese, or let promiscuity and partial birth abortions rule the day side by side with EXTREME religios chastity belts.

be part of the solution not the problem.

personally I dont see a problem with encouraging abstanance(even tho it falls increasingly on deaf ears) while at the same time educating on the causes and effects of unprotected sex.

In the end it comes down to raising responsible young people, and for the most part, as a whole we are still doing ok with that, just cant allow ourselves to become complacent.


I am part of the solution. I preach condom usage to any young person who falls in ear shot. Condoms because they are preventative to pregnance but also STDs. I have seen the twenty something girls who contracted AIDS at teenage age. Beautiful young women of all races and backgrounds, young and stupid as we all were but now they can not "fix" it anymore. Condoms need to be available to all and the importance of using them needs to be taught, and repeated and repeated until they get it.

i agree with teaching about condoms, I even mentioned that I thought. But much as we want to "preach" you can not modify behavior simply by saying 'here's a condom kid make sure you use it!'
Something has also got to be done to teach some sort of responsible behavior, and that means if there isnt a love glove around then they should abstain(or do you think they should perform the act of abstanance then). Ive dealt with the treatment of STDs as well and continue to do so. Condoms ar not the only answer, personal responsible behavior with our youth must be encouraged as well... thats all Im saying, and it is as close to an olive branch as you will ever see from me. I moved to the center.... your harping like a right wing religious nut except from the other side.

wiley's photo
Thu 02/28/08 08:34 AM
Edited by wiley on Thu 02/28/08 08:34 AM



so everyone criticizes, and even more complain... but what would the forefathers do, I only refer to them because it seems as tho they are still some of the smartest guys to ever put forth thouht onto paper and actually make a diference.

what is the solution, do we go to the extremes such as the way of the chinese, or let promiscuity and partial birth abortions rule the day side by side with EXTREME religios chastity belts.

be part of the solution not the problem.

personally I dont see a problem with encouraging abstanance(even tho it falls increasingly on deaf ears) while at the same time educating on the causes and effects of unprotected sex.

In the end it comes down to raising responsible young people, and for the most part, as a whole we are still doing ok with that, just cant allow ourselves to become complacent.


I am part of the solution. I preach condom usage to any young person who falls in ear shot. Condoms because they are preventative to pregnance but also STDs. I have seen the twenty something girls who contracted AIDS at teenage age. Beautiful young women of all races and backgrounds, young and stupid as we all were but now they can not "fix" it anymore. Condoms need to be available to all and the importance of using them needs to be taught, and repeated and repeated until they get it.

i agree with teaching about condoms, I even mentioned that I thought. But much as we want to "preach" you can not modify behavior simply by saying 'here's a condom kid make sure you use it!'
Something has also got to be done to teach some sort of responsible behavior, and that means if there isnt a love glove around then they should abstain(or do you think they should perform the act of abstanance then). Ive dealt with the treatment of STDs as well and continue to do so. Condoms ar not the only answer, personal responsible behavior with our youth must be encouraged as well... thats all Im saying, and it is as close to an olive branch as you will ever see from me. I moved to the center.... your harping like a right wing religious nut except from the other side.


So that would be like a left wing anti-religious nut then?

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/28/08 08:59 AM



so everyone criticizes, and even more complain... but what would the forefathers do, I only refer to them because it seems as tho they are still some of the smartest guys to ever put forth thouht onto paper and actually make a diference.

what is the solution, do we go to the extremes such as the way of the chinese, or let promiscuity and partial birth abortions rule the day side by side with EXTREME religios chastity belts.

be part of the solution not the problem.

personally I dont see a problem with encouraging abstanance(even tho it falls increasingly on deaf ears) while at the same time educating on the causes and effects of unprotected sex.

In the end it comes down to raising responsible young people, and for the most part, as a whole we are still doing ok with that, just cant allow ourselves to become complacent.


I am part of the solution. I preach condom usage to any young person who falls in ear shot. Condoms because they are preventative to pregnance but also STDs. I have seen the twenty something girls who contracted AIDS at teenage age. Beautiful young women of all races and backgrounds, young and stupid as we all were but now they can not "fix" it anymore. Condoms need to be available to all and the importance of using them needs to be taught, and repeated and repeated until they get it.

i agree with teaching about condoms, I even mentioned that I thought. But much as we want to "preach" you can not modify behavior simply by saying 'here's a condom kid make sure you use it!'
Something has also got to be done to teach some sort of responsible behavior, and that means if there isnt a love glove around then they should abstain(or do you think they should perform the act of abstanance then). Ive dealt with the treatment of STDs as well and continue to do so. Condoms ar not the only answer, personal responsible behavior with our youth must be encouraged as well... thats all Im saying, and it is as close to an olive branch as you will ever see from me. I moved to the center.... your harping like a right wing religious nut except from the other side.


I was assuming that parents teach responsiblity already besides the birth control. Maybe I assume too much. I did not just hand my son a condom and say use this. It was a long drawn out, repeated process that included showing him how to use one on a broom stick. He still laughs to this day over me showing him how to put on a condom. I told him sex should only be for someome that he loves, it is not a frivolous thing, etc....... He was a teen and he did not wait to have sex with someone he loved and all that. Pressure from what the other kids were doing and the girls, the girls, man, they were ditching school to be with him, chasing him all around, offering anything he wanted, etc...... I found letters they wrote him and it made me blush the stuff that they wrote. It was a battle for me. But I did something right he does not have any kids he cannot support. Now my baby daughter who is 18 now did not heed any of my teaching at all, she has a daughter of 3 now. Men do not want to wear condoms and this is a problem. Both are at fault do not get me wrong I am not saying one is more responsible then the other but they are wild these teens.

We have been shown that abstinence does not adhere. So we must be prepared for the worst even though we do not want to think of our kids doing these things.

no photo
Thu 02/28/08 09:07 AM
I think parents who's teens have kids should be financially responsible for their kids having kids....

wiley's photo
Thu 02/28/08 09:09 AM
Responsible ones are.

no photo
Thu 02/28/08 09:10 AM

Responsible ones are.


most responsible ones don't have kids who have kids.....

wiley's photo
Thu 02/28/08 09:11 AM


Responsible ones are.


most responsible ones don't have kids who have kids.....


Sure they do. Some kids it doesn't matter what kind of parents they have.

armydoc4u's photo
Thu 02/28/08 09:16 AM
Edited by armydoc4u on Thu 02/28/08 09:18 AM




so everyone criticizes, and even more complain... but what would the forefathers do, I only refer to them because it seems as tho they are still some of the smartest guys to ever put forth thouht onto paper and actually make a diference.

what is the solution, do we go to the extremes such as the way of the chinese, or let promiscuity and partial birth abortions rule the day side by side with EXTREME religios chastity belts.

be part of the solution not the problem.

personally I dont see a problem with encouraging abstanance(even tho it falls increasingly on deaf ears) while at the same time educating on the causes and effects of unprotected sex.

In the end it comes down to raising responsible young people, and for the most part, as a whole we are still doing ok with that, just cant allow ourselves to become complacent.


I am part of the solution. I preach condom usage to any young person who falls in ear shot. Condoms because they are preventative to pregnance but also STDs. I have seen the twenty something girls who contracted AIDS at teenage age. Beautiful young women of all races and backgrounds, young and stupid as we all were but now they can not "fix" it anymore. Condoms need to be available to all and the importance of using them needs to be taught, and repeated and repeated until they get it.

i agree with teaching about condoms, I even mentioned that I thought. But much as we want to "preach" you can not modify behavior simply by saying 'here's a condom kid make sure you use it!'
Something has also got to be done to teach some sort of responsible behavior, and that means if there isnt a love glove around then they should abstain(or do you think they should perform the act of abstanance then). Ive dealt with the treatment of STDs as well and continue to do so. Condoms ar not the only answer, personal responsible behavior with our youth must be encouraged as well... thats all Im saying, and it is as close to an olive branch as you will ever see from me. I moved to the center.... your harping like a right wing religious nut except from the other side.


I was assuming that parents teach responsiblity already besides the birth control. Maybe I assume too much. I did not just hand my son a condom and say use this. It was a long drawn out, repeated process that included showing him how to use one on a broom stick. He still laughs to this day over me showing him how to put on a condom. I told him sex should only be for someome that he loves, it is not a frivolous thing, etc....... He was a teen and he did not wait to have sex with someone he loved and all that. Pressure from what the other kids were doing and the girls, the girls, man, they were ditching school to be with him, chasing him all around, offering anything he wanted, etc...... I found letters they wrote him and it made me blush the stuff that they wrote. It was a battle for me. But I did something right he does not have any kids he cannot support. Now my baby daughter who is 18 now did not heed any of my teaching at all, she has a daughter of 3 now. Men do not want to wear condoms and this is a problem. Both are at fault do not get me wrong I am not saying one is more responsible then the other but they are wild these teens.

We have been shown that abstinence does not adhere. So we must be prepared for the worst even though we do not want to think of our kids doing these things.


im agreeing with you on the condom thing (yikes i can not believe i said that) all I am saying to you about abstanance is that it should be encouraged as well, you did it yourself with your boy, sex with someone you love talk.

but realistically in a time when mommy and daddy arent around as much as they need to be, or families are sitting around a tv instead a table there are things not being done. Im for raising a child at home not at school, but WTF is so hard about throwing in a three sentence comment about abstaining at the same time your trowing out condoms?

no photo
Thu 02/28/08 09:22 AM
but realistically in a time when mommy and daddy arent around as much as they need to be, or families are sitting around a tv instead a table there are things not being done. Im for raising a child at home not at school, but WTF is so hard about throwing in a tree sentence comment about abstaining at the same time your trowing out condoms?


good point and it's time that parents be parents again...one way I taught no-sex education I taught to my sons was showing them the copies of checks for child support I paid their mom before they moved in with me...money sure has a way of swaying their minds...bigsmile

armydoc4u's photo
Thu 02/28/08 09:38 AM

but realistically in a time when mommy and daddy arent around as much as they need to be, or families are sitting around a tv instead a table there are things not being done. Im for raising a child at home not at school, but WTF is so hard about throwing in a tree sentence comment about abstaining at the same time your trowing out condoms?


good point and it's time that parents be parents again...one way I taught no-sex education I taught to my sons was showing them the copies of checks for child support I paid their mom before they moved in with me...money sure has a way of swaying their minds...bigsmile


yeah guess thats one way of doing it.:tongue:

Chazster's photo
Thu 02/28/08 10:24 AM



Beautiful young women of all races and backgrounds, young and stupid as we all were but now they can not "fix" it anymore. Condoms need to be available to all and the importance of using them needs to be taught, and repeated and repeated until they get it.


As we all were? Uhh no. Some of us knew better. I had a friend in middle school who was having sex and I made sure to ask him if he was using protection. I knew the consequences at that age. I am sure most do, they just ignore them.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/28/08 10:47 AM





so everyone criticizes, and even more complain... but what would the forefathers do, I only refer to them because it seems as tho they are still some of the smartest guys to ever put forth thouht onto paper and actually make a diference.

what is the solution, do we go to the extremes such as the way of the chinese, or let promiscuity and partial birth abortions rule the day side by side with EXTREME religios chastity belts.

be part of the solution not the problem.

personally I dont see a problem with encouraging abstanance(even tho it falls increasingly on deaf ears) while at the same time educating on the causes and effects of unprotected sex.

In the end it comes down to raising responsible young people, and for the most part, as a whole we are still doing ok with that, just cant allow ourselves to become complacent.


I am part of the solution. I preach condom usage to any young person who falls in ear shot. Condoms because they are preventative to pregnance but also STDs. I have seen the twenty something girls who contracted AIDS at teenage age. Beautiful young women of all races and backgrounds, young and stupid as we all were but now they can not "fix" it anymore. Condoms need to be available to all and the importance of using them needs to be taught, and repeated and repeated until they get it.

i agree with teaching about condoms, I even mentioned that I thought. But much as we want to "preach" you can not modify behavior simply by saying 'here's a condom kid make sure you use it!'
Something has also got to be done to teach some sort of responsible behavior, and that means if there isnt a love glove around then they should abstain(or do you think they should perform the act of abstanance then). Ive dealt with the treatment of STDs as well and continue to do so. Condoms ar not the only answer, personal responsible behavior with our youth must be encouraged as well... thats all Im saying, and it is as close to an olive branch as you will ever see from me. I moved to the center.... your harping like a right wing religious nut except from the other side.


I was assuming that parents teach responsiblity already besides the birth control. Maybe I assume too much. I did not just hand my son a condom and say use this. It was a long drawn out, repeated process that included showing him how to use one on a broom stick. He still laughs to this day over me showing him how to put on a condom. I told him sex should only be for someome that he loves, it is not a frivolous thing, etc....... He was a teen and he did not wait to have sex with someone he loved and all that. Pressure from what the other kids were doing and the girls, the girls, man, they were ditching school to be with him, chasing him all around, offering anything he wanted, etc...... I found letters they wrote him and it made me blush the stuff that they wrote. It was a battle for me. But I did something right he does not have any kids he cannot support. Now my baby daughter who is 18 now did not heed any of my teaching at all, she has a daughter of 3 now. Men do not want to wear condoms and this is a problem. Both are at fault do not get me wrong I am not saying one is more responsible then the other but they are wild these teens.

We have been shown that abstinence does not adhere. So we must be prepared for the worst even though we do not want to think of our kids doing these things.


im agreeing with you on the condom thing (yikes i can not believe i said that) all I am saying to you about abstanance is that it should be encouraged as well, you did it yourself with your boy, sex with someone you love talk.

but realistically in a time when mommy and daddy arent around as much as they need to be, or families are sitting around a tv instead a table there are things not being done. Im for raising a child at home not at school, but WTF is so hard about throwing in a three sentence comment about abstaining at the same time your trowing out condoms?


I agree, and the sex ed I had in school did include abstinence. I am not sure why they changed it.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/28/08 10:48 AM

I think parents who's teens have kids should be financially responsible for their kids having kids....


Under clinton's welfare reform, the parents of the teen parents are completely responsible. If you were referring to them receiving welfare.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/28/08 10:49 AM



Responsible ones are.


most responsible ones don't have kids who have kids.....


Sure they do. Some kids it doesn't matter what kind of parents they have.


Very true, kids kinda go their own way. Parents can sometimes stop them and sometimes not. In the case of my youngest she ran away from home when I put down the law and came back to me preganant.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/28/08 10:51 AM




Beautiful young women of all races and backgrounds, young and stupid as we all were but now they can not "fix" it anymore. Condoms need to be available to all and the importance of using them needs to be taught, and repeated and repeated until they get it.


As we all were? Uhh no. Some of us knew better. I had a friend in middle school who was having sex and I made sure to ask him if he was using protection. I knew the consequences at that age. I am sure most do, they just ignore them.


Hell, your still a baby, no offense intended of course,flowerforyou but good job maybe you saved one person.

no photo
Thu 02/28/08 10:54 AM

so everyone criticizes, and even more complain... but what would the forefathers do, I only refer to them because it seems as tho the are still the some of the smartest guys to ever put forth thouht onto paper and actually make a diference.

what is the solution, do we go to the extremes such as the way of the chinese, or let promiscuity and partial birth abortions rule the day side by side with EXTREME religios chastity belts.

be part of the solution not the problem.

personally I dont see a problem with encouraging abstanance(even tho it falls increasingly on deaf ears) while at the same time educating on the causes and effects of unprotected sex.

In the end it comes down to raising responsible young people, and for the most part, as a whole we are still doing ok with that, just cant allow ourselves to become complacent.


Why dont we start with teaching boys that they are just as responsible for getting girls pregnant as girls are? And when they do get a girl pregnant, hold him accountable and responsible for his actions...Why dont we teach young boys that when a girl says "no" she really means it and it isnt a "game" because deep down she really "wants it"? Oh and why dont we teach boys that if hes not sure what the girl means then he should keep his d!ck in his pants and walk away....
There is no responsibility being taught. Youth today live in an "I want it now" culture...they dont think about the future or consequences of their actions.And every market is targeted at selling that idea and kids buy into it. Parents havent got a chance.
Chastity belts??? hey why not castration???? that will solve the problem.....

Lindyy's photo
Thu 02/28/08 11:08 AM


Chastity belts??? hey why not castration???? that will solve the problem.....


Ewwwwww, yucky.

Lindyy says:

Well, to give all of you out there a good laugh at this conservative, this is actually what I said to my two sons (I raised them alone,good old daddy was abusive - he got tossed out of the house and divorced) when trying to tell them how to avoid AIDS:

"Never let your dingle-dangle dangle in the dirt, always keep your dingle-dangle tied up in your shirt."

My son to this day laughs his behind off when he thinks about it. Every once in a while he will say "Hey, remember when you said......." and bursts out laughing.

Lindyy
:heart: :heart:

wiley's photo
Thu 02/28/08 11:16 AM
Well that was just disturbing... sick

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/28/08 11:32 AM

Well that was just disturbing... sick


Agreed, I would suggest salt peter myself, less damaging but works just as well. Young men do need to be held 100% responsible for their dang dang. It is not "he is just a man and men will be dogs" or " women are the control of a man's privates", those times are gone or should be anyway. Men should not be allowed more "freedoms" with their privates than girls or ladies have.

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