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Topic: Bush Policies Likely to Blame for More Teen Births
northrn_yanke Joined Sun 01/13/08 Posts: 851	Wed 02/27/08 04:25 PM
When are liberal socialists ever going to take responsibility for their actions. They can't seem to teach their children any moral values at home. They expect the shool to educate them about sex. They teach them that anything is ok and abortion is a legitimate means of birth control and then they want to blame the government for the rise in teenaged pregnancies. Teenage sex is the reason for teenage pregnancy. Teach your children to be responsible and perhaps they will act responsible. However, if you teach them there are no moral values don't blame the government if they act in an immoral manner. Any parent who has a pregnant teenager has only to look in the mirror to see who is responsible. That face looking back at you wont be George Bush. because the left wants to leave all the traditional values behind... That's B.S.!! Do you live in the USA, btw? Oh, yeah, btw, this Democrat that "leaves all traditional values behind" is taking her child to church tonite. that's BS??...we have the same problem with the left wingnuts in Canada and even moreso than in the US...

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 02/27/08 05:33 PM
I haven't found myself screwed by the current president. In face, I am looking forward to the extra tax money this year. How about all you anti-bush liberals give that money away since you hate all his policies so much. Yes, the tax money will be nice as interest rates are getting lowered again and gas prices went up this week and the houses aren't selling and more are going into foreclosure. Yes, it will be nice for the heating bill that went up too. Oh yea, because of course its the presidents fault for the housing market and for increase costs in power production.

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Wed 02/27/08 05:55 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry?

Marine1488 Joined Tue 12/18/07 Posts: 323	Wed 02/27/08 06:09 PM
I think the Church likes to have kids sexualy oppressed as it makes them easier to manipulate. We all see what suppresion of sexuality has done to pastor Ted and any number of catholic priests who have been engaged in homo sex with minors. My own teen years were charged with parking and makeing out in the back seat sneaking out my bedrrom window to sneak in the neighbore girls window etc etc, you get the picture. I recall a nympho girl of my youth who went to church 3 timesa week and her parents were the pillar of the community, she ended up pregnant and had an abortion at 16.....welcome to the real world So you think in order to have morals you have to be religious or go to church? Its a little thing called universal right and wrong. I absulutly have no idea what you are trying to say Boy this is a shocker!

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Wed 02/27/08 06:09 PM
How about being a good parent to your child and teaching them morals and responsibilities? I know thats a curse word for you liberals. Blame everything on Bush. So typical to always blame someone else for your behavior. I have two points to make: 1. Why is it always necessary to slam people that are liberals? Because a few speak up with their view points does not mean that all think the same way(no I am not an out and out liberal - I am middle of the road). I get tired of people not discussing the issues and just promptly turning it in to and us vs. them. The issue plan and simple - are policies affecting teen pregnancy? . 2. I have been teaching high school now for 15 years - through the Clinton and the Bush presidencies - and as a matter of fact presidential policies do affect what happens in schools(lets not forget NCLB and its wonderful affects/effects on schools) and in homes. Someone already mentioned something about what was being taught in the schools and it went from examining all aspects of birth control to abstinence. Does it work? No preaching abstinence does not work for all and never really has - lots of babies born out of wedlock or before a couple had been married 9 months (historically speaking). The issue of parents teaching morals - I don't think that morals overrides horomones for all teens. Some counties in the Bible Belt states have reported in with a 40 out of a 1000 birth rate among teens while the national average was 22 out of a 1000(I believe these statistics were from 2003 or 2004, which is the most current I have). How about responsibility? Most teens have that part down - after they get pregnant they have the child and drop out to be responsible. Blaming a specific person makes no sense - blame the policies the man endorses and those that can't see the whole picture as well. All my years teaching have been spent in impoverished areas - reservation to inner city students, and I have seen the change in the birth rate go up among teens drastically in the last 7 years. With a lot of teens they don’t see education as a means to get out of the poverty cycle, they don’t think they can achieve anything more than a minimum wage job, so why bother – start the family early, quit school and move on with life. The cycle perpetuates itself. What needs to be truly discussed is not that Bush made this happen, but rather how if this trend continues it will affect you, because it does. These kids get pregnant, drop out and become welfare moms….which comes out of your pocket, whether you are a conservative or a liberal. Your post makes sense, but, I can turn it around and say why do people always have to slam conservatives? The door goes both ways, in and out. But, as my former boss, who is a self described true blue sweat blood to the bitter end democrat said "I am sick of this 'if it feels good do it attitude.'" Lindyy

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Wed 02/27/08 06:11 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? WRONG,PROVE IT. The Saudi's are considered an ally with the US, but the rest of your post belongs in the pile for the 'pooper scoopers' contents. Lindyy

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Wed 02/27/08 06:11 PM
the "if it feels good do it additude" is much better than the republican additude of "I know it hurts but I cant stop" additude

Marine1488 Joined Tue 12/18/07 Posts: 323	Wed 02/27/08 06:14 PM
the "if it feels good do it additude" is much better than the republican additude of "I know it hurts but I cant stop" additude Spelling???

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Wed 02/27/08 06:16 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? [/.” WRONG,PROVE IT. The Saudi's are considered an ally with the US, but the rest of your post belongs in the pile for the 'pooper scoopers' contents.http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/20/politics/main612852.shtml Lindyy Both then-president Bush and the current president have had personal and deep financial ties with the Saudi royal family. Author and journalist Craig Unger documents $1.4 billion that has “made its way” from the Saudi royal family to “entities tied” to the Bush family, according to Unger’s controversial book "House of Bush, House of Saud.” Unger contends that the documented oil holdings and affiliations of both Bush presidents has led to a policy of inaction in the post-Sept. 11 world. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/20/politics/main612852.shtml

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Wed 02/27/08 06:17 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? WRONG,PROVE IT. The Saudi's are considered an ally with the US, but the rest of your post belongs in the pile for the 'pooper scoopers' contents. Lindyy Both then-president Bush and the current president have had personal and deep financial ties with the Saudi royal family. Author and journalist Craig Unger documents $1.4 billion that has “made its way” from the Saudi royal family to “entities tied” to the Bush family, according to Unger’s controversial book "House of Bush, House of Saud.” http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/20/politics/main612852.shtml

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Wed 02/27/08 06:17 PM
Lindy, Why are you being insulting with "I claim to be a Christain"? I will encourage abstinence. But..I do not have blinders on as to what teenagers are like. One cannot be with their teenager 24/7. We hope and pray that the foundation that we laid for them will be strong enough to withhandle peer pressure and hormones. But...I wouldn't want any child to get diseases (and HIV kills) and/or pregnant if they make the wrong choices. That is not being un-Christian-like. It is being caring. The last time I checked, Christian-like behavior included being caring, compassionate and being alturistic and kind. Insulting? My text sure was taken out of context. GOD also very explicitly desibes His position on sex. If you do not like God's word and how He commands us to live, go tell HIM. I would love to hear what he says to you. Lindyy

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Wed 02/27/08 06:19 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? WRONG,PROVE IT. The Saudi's are considered an ally with the US, but the rest of your post belongs in the pile for the 'pooper scoopers' contents. Lindyy Both then-president Bush and the current president have had personal and deep financial ties with the Saudi royal family. Author and journalist Craig Unger documents $1.4 billion that has “made its way” from the Saudi royal family to “entities tied” to the Bush family, according to Unger’s controversial book "House of Bush, House of Saud.” http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/20/politics/main612852.shtml OH YES, the great left wing liberal media. How stupid of me not to know this!!! Lindyy

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Wed 02/27/08 06:20 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? WRONG,PROVE IT. The Saudi's are considered an ally with the US, but the rest of your post belongs in the pile for the 'pooper scoopers' contents. Lindyy Nowhere is the revolving U.S.-Saudi money wheel more evident than within President Bush's own coterie of foreign policy advisers, starting with the president's father, George H.W. Bush. At the same time that the elder Bush counsels his son on the ongoing war on terrorism, the former president remains a senior adviser to the Washington D.C.-based Carlyle Group. That influential investment bank has deep connections to the Saudi royal family as well as financial interests in U.S. defense firms hired by the kingdom to equip and train the Saudi military. Last year, former President Bush visited Saudi Arabia's King Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, but a Carlyle spokesman said the two did not discuss Carlyle business as previously reported. The elder Bush is reportedly paid between $80,000 and $100,000 for each Carlyle speech he makes. The company declined comment on the former president's pay. The Carlyle Group has also served as a paid adviser to the Saudi monarchy on the so-called ``Economic Offset Program,'' an arrangement that effectively requires U.S. arms manufacturers selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to give back a portion of their revenues in the form of contracts to Saudi businesses, most of whom are connected to the royal family. A company spokesman said yesterday that arrangement was ended ``a few months ago,'' but said he did not know whether it was terminated before or after the Sept. 11 attacks. A spokesman for former President Bush, reached yesterday, had no immediate comment on his work for the Carlyle Group. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1211-05.htm

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 02/27/08 06:25 PM
Personally I have no problems with conservatives as long as they keep their beliefs at home where they belong. I do not want to pray or be exposed to prayer unless I want to and I will go to church if I want that. I do not want their pro lifer attitudes impossed on me or other women unless the women choose it for themselves. I do not want their prejudices impossed on me, prejudices by race, sexual orientation, education, etc........ I do not want to hear their fearmongering or warmongering ways in my everday life. So if they can keep this out of politics and at home where it belongs then I have absolutely no problem with conservatives or the right whichever they prefer.

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Wed 02/27/08 06:30 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? WRONG,PROVE IT. The Saudi's are considered an ally with the US, but the rest of your post belongs in the pile for the 'pooper scoopers' contents. Lindyy Both then-president Bush and the current president have had personal and deep financial ties with the Saudi royal family. Author and journalist Craig Unger documents $1.4 billion that has “made its way” from the Saudi royal family to “entities tied” to the Bush family, according to Unger’s controversial book "House of Bush, House of Saud.” http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/20/politics/main612852.shtml OH YES, the great left wing liberal media. How stupid of me not to know this!!! Lindyy dont be daft lydy I know your not stupid so tell me exactly what isnt true and prove it to me as you would attempt to prove something to a jury, being as our Hero Joe Friday would say "Just the facts ma'm"

northrn_yanke Joined Sun 01/13/08 Posts: 851	Wed 02/27/08 06:52 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? WRONG,PROVE IT. The Saudi's are considered an ally with the US, but the rest of your post belongs in the pile for the 'pooper scoopers' contents. Lindyy Both then-president Bush and the current president have had personal and deep financial ties with the Saudi royal family. Author and journalist Craig Unger documents $1.4 billion that has “made its way” from the Saudi royal family to “entities tied” to the Bush family, according to Unger’s controversial book "House of Bush, House of Saud.” http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/20/politics/main612852.shtml OH YES, the great left wing liberal media. How stupid of me not to know this!!! Lindyy dont be daft lydy I know your not stupid so tell me exactly what isnt true and prove it to me as you would attempt to prove something to a jury, being as our Hero Joe Friday would say "Just the facts ma'm" funny how your asking for proof....you do know what the words controversial and contends means don't ya..? Both then-president Bush and the current president have had personal and deep financial ties with the Saudi royal family. Author and journalist Craig Unger documents $1.4 billion that has “made its way” from the Saudi royal family to “entities tied” to the Bush family, according to Unger’s controversial book "House of Bush, House of Saud.” Unger contends that the documented oil holdings and affiliations of both Bush presidents has led to a policy of inaction in the post-Sept. 11 world.

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Wed 02/27/08 06:57 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? WRONG,PROVE IT. The Saudi's are considered an ally with the US, but the rest of your post belongs in the pile for the 'pooper scoopers' contents. Lindyy Both then-president Bush and the current president have had personal and deep financial ties with the Saudi royal family. Author and journalist Craig Unger documents $1.4 billion that has “made its way” from the Saudi royal family to “entities tied” to the Bush family, according to Unger’s controversial book "House of Bush, House of Saud.” http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/20/politics/main612852.shtml OH YES, the great left wing liberal media. How stupid of me not to know this!!! Lindyy dont be daft lydy I know your not stupid so tell me exactly what isnt true and prove it to me as you would attempt to prove something to a jury, being as our Hero Joe Friday would say "Just the facts ma'm" funny how your asking for proof....you do know what the words controversial and contends means don't ya..? Both then-president Bush and the current president have had personal and deep financial ties with the Saudi royal family. Author and journalist Craig Unger documents $1.4 billion that has “made its way” from the Saudi royal family to “entities tied” to the Bush family, according to Unger’s controversial book "House of Bush, House of Saud.” Unger contends that the documented oil holdings and affiliations of both Bush presidents has led to a policy of inaction in the post-Sept. 11 world. My thinking Lydy is that the only controversy is how deeply the Bush family is involved with the saudi royal family, it seem even you are unaware of it but Ican assure you its true

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 02/27/08 09:12 PM
I suppose its just a coincidence that Bush is so well connected to the saudi's and the oil industry? Is that supposed to be an answer to my statement about Bush causing increase in housing market and power generation? If so explain how Saudi's would have anything to do with either of these.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 02/27/08 09:12 PM Edited by Chazster on Wed 02/27/08 09:12 PM
eww double post

CuriousinPhoenix Joined Sun 01/06/08 Posts: 40	Wed 02/27/08 09:36 PM
How about being a good parent to your child and teaching them morals and responsibilities? I know thats a curse word for you liberals. Blame everything on Bush. So typical to always blame someone else for your behavior. I have two points to make: 1. Why is it always necessary to slam people that are liberals? Because a few speak up with their view points does not mean that all think the same way(no I am not an out and out liberal - I am middle of the road). I get tired of people not discussing the issues and just promptly turning it in to and us vs. them. The issue plan and simple - are policies affecting teen pregnancy? . 2. I have been teaching high school now for 15 years - through the Clinton and the Bush presidencies - and as a matter of fact presidential policies do affect what happens in schools(lets not forget NCLB and its wonderful affects/effects on schools) and in homes. Someone already mentioned something about what was being taught in the schools and it went from examining all aspects of birth control to abstinence. Does it work? No preaching abstinence does not work for all and never really has - lots of babies born out of wedlock or before a couple had been married 9 months (historically speaking). The issue of parents teaching morals - I don't think that morals overrides horomones for all teens. Some counties in the Bible Belt states have reported in with a 40 out of a 1000 birth rate among teens while the national average was 22 out of a 1000(I believe these statistics were from 2003 or 2004, which is the most current I have). How about responsibility? Most teens have that part down - after they get pregnant they have the child and drop out to be responsible. Blaming a specific person makes no sense - blame the policies the man endorses and those that can't see the whole picture as well. All my years teaching have been spent in impoverished areas - reservation to inner city students, and I have seen the change in the birth rate go up among teens drastically in the last 7 years. With a lot of teens they don’t see education as a means to get out of the poverty cycle, they don’t think they can achieve anything more than a minimum wage job, so why bother – start the family early, quit school and move on with life. The cycle perpetuates itself. What needs to be truly discussed is not that Bush made this happen, but rather how if this trend continues it will affect you, because it does. These kids get pregnant, drop out and become welfare moms….which comes out of your pocket, whether you are a conservative or a liberal. Your post makes sense, but, I can turn it around and say why do people always have to slam conservatives? The door goes both ways, in and out. But, as my former boss, who is a self described true blue sweat blood to the bitter end democrat said "I am sick of this 'if it feels good do it attitude.'" Lindyy I agree, you are right it goes both way. I would just like some discussion of the issues and ways to solve it.