then he was not raised properly. I am sorry some things SHOULD be kept until a child is of an appropriate age to deal with it (like sex, lol). Whatthe hell this mother thought she was doing letting her child know he was the product of rape when he was so young is beyond me. That is literally telling the BOY that he was not wanted fromt he beginning. With that being said, can you honostly say he was raised to believe he wasnt at fault or anything?

i think the child probally asked about who is dad was and she made the decision that he was old enough to handle the truth.She misjudged.She apparently wanted him or she wouldn't be raising him.just because you are a product of a bad act it doesn't make you a mistake or unwanted...the 12 yr old may have convinced himself he was unwanted or feared he would be a rapist too.
I doubt he was raised to think he was at fault..he was the good that came from the bad.Daniel giving people the benefit of the doubt goes a long way..

thank you cldm, he did ask about who dad was, she told him, he feels guity for being a reminder everytime he has to go to the dr, everytime he has an apt, or an 'episode'

she's reassured him that he's not guilty, however, his sickness is what makes him feel guilty, nothing more

when he's thinking straight, he knows he's not guilty, it's when he's not that he does

you do have the right toyour body. If you dont want a child, dont have sex. its that simple. If someone forces you and you become pregnant that is more yuo have to go after the son of a ***** for. But it doesn ot excuse the murderof a baby.

so you're saying, that if a woman gets raped, (an act that she's not in charge of her body) she gets pregnant by that rapist, and she's sposed to have this baby? by your words, she's still not in control of her body, even after a rape, cuz she has to have this baby now..you said so

Dude there is no need for you to get rude...

All I MENTIONED was that studies have show that people's morals tend to follow their religious views. How you were raised as a child does tend to affect you as an adult. When these studies were actually carried out into a controlled experiment, 75% of the time, this theory panned out.

If you want to ignore these studies, that is your decision but I tend to agree with this study. I never said you were stupid for ignoring it nor did I comment on how you make your decisions. I am not you. Now, I dont appreciate you arguing with me over something I didnt do and you misinterpreted. Next time you want to start an argument, I recommend you pick an argument you are going to win.

yes I do say so. As I said several times now, the production of a child due to rape is one more thing a woman has to seek justice for from the attacker.
Killing an unborn baby will not bring justice to the rapist. I am not saying it is fair. That is the biggest problem with most people in the world these days, they want everything to be "fair". The world is not fair. Period.

I have also said that I am willing to agree to disagree about the subject of abortion due to rape, because of the emotional issues due to the rape. Butin my personal mind, it would not be justified in killing your child, because they were the product of rape. That is even more unfair to the child, than the fact that you had to carry to term a child due to rape.

wow...

First off I did not get rude. I simply made the statment that I was only saying something once, due to the fact that what you said/inferred was highly offensive to me.

Second, you claim you never commented on how I make my decisions. You did just exactly that when you said "So yes, your beliefs do tend to follow your religious views whether you actually acknowledge it or not"

You literally just stated that I am not aware of how I am making decisions as it is subconcious and it is due to my religious beliefs.

I am very much aware of how I make my decisions, and I can garuntee you that I do not "subconciously" decide anything.

I suggest that you learn to pay attention to what you are saying before you accuse others of acting subconciously.

why not just live and let live?

if we're doing wrong, your god will judge us

A "satanic" heavy metal band gets it and they quote Jesus while making their point.

ok how about this? Someone comes in and kills your wife and children. instead of seeing justice done, we let them go on without any repercussion, without trying to stop them, because "my god" will judge him?

that's not the same, and you know it. your opinion on when and what life is doesn't match many peoples. don't impose your will on someone else.

first you specifically stated "why not live and let live?"
You did not put any specifics on it or anything. So the meaning was understood to be why not forget about any perceived crime and let everyone live as god will judge it all in the end.

Second, obviously my opinion on what constitutes life and what doesnt does closely match that of not only many people, but about half of society, considering that the debate (to put it politely) is just about deadlocked in the middle.

And third but not least, yuo say do not impose your will upon others. Look in a mirror. By saying that a woman can abort without consulting the wouldbe father (except in the case of rape; no she should not have to consult that bastard about anything) You are saying she can impose her will over his.

oh, but you're wrong. i don't really consider it life until it's born. while i don't think late trimester abortion is right, i don't believe that life starts as soon as the sperm and egg meet.

i say you chill and accept that women have rights now

I agree that women have rights. I also believe that a prospective father has the right to be a father if he wants to be.

Yes the woman has the right to not be pregnant for nine months. If this is what she wants (or deosnt depending on how you look at it) then she hsould not be having sex, because every single woman knows that by having sex she is taking a chance on becoming pregnant.
The same thing is true for the father. If he does not want to be a father he needs to keep his **** in his pants, because every single man knows that by having sex you are taking the chance of a pregnancy occuring.

If you know that the fire has been on underneath a cast iron skillet for an hour, and you grab hold of it without nay protection anyway, knowing itis hot, you are still going to get burned.

It all boils down to one very simple statement (with the exception of rape). If you do not want to create a child, do not have sex. Period.

and i still say, unless you're in the position to make a decision on weather or not to keep the child growing in your tummy, you cannot, CANNOT make a judegment on this.

PERIOD

Is a fetus alive? Let's look at the requirements to determine if something is alive...

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99171.htm


A fetus fits all of these requirements except for "Reproduction", but that is covered by "Growth", because the fetus isn't yet mature. Once it reaches maturity, it can reproduce.

With full knowledge that a fetus is alive, one must wonder why women have the right to take the life of their own offspring. True, the fetus is dependant upon the mother, but isn't a child dependant upon it's parents? We have laws protecting pets, but no laws protecting our own unborn children?

Planned Parenthood does more than just abortions, in fact less than 20 percent of their patients are there for that reason. Planned Parenthood, also does pap smears (a test that can detect certain types of canser) for women who are under privledged, they also perscribe birthcontrol, they also teach in the community. They do more than just abortions, but of course someone who is anti-choice would use statistics to their own advantage, you can manipulate statistics to say whatever you want them to say.

I've read threw alot of this, but honestly it has become a bore to me.

1. Yes it takes two to make a child, yes both parties are responsible for birthcontrol. If a child is conceived, it is both of their FAULTS?

2. although it is judgemental women most of the time bare the burden of taking care of the children, even in a two parent household, cooking, cleaning, sleepless nights.

3. Again judgemental, however it SEEMS as though on most occasions when a parent leaves it is the man that leaves the children, and alot of times without any support what so ever. (NOT ALWAYS, BUT STATISTICALLY, although those statistics are less the men leaving and the women leaving are gaining. So a woman must decide how to handle the situation, even if the man says he will be there, People lie... you can only rely on yourself.

4. It is her body that is being used for 9 months and his body was only used for three and a half minutes. So doing that math it should be a 99.9/.01 percent decision.

5. Why debate it, no one is going to change their mind because you tell them to. Since as of now it is what it is, let it go. Stop trying to push your thought process onto someone else. It is pointless, you are not going to change anyone.