you know what you're raised on

this helps who? the rape victim?


uhh..the pill didn't work for me, my 2 older kids were conceived while on the pill, my youngest while on the shot.. so, i use either condoms, or my clockwork cycle, or i abstain period..



you'd want to raise a child knowing it was the product of a rape? sure ya would

Take a step back a minute and read my previous post!
I said that I understand abortion in the situation of rape or child molestation.
The second post was for those that make the choice and then chose abortion thinking it is going to be the "easy way out".
I get it that condoms and the pill and things don't always work as my first 3 children happened during protected sex. The point was that if you don't want to face the music don't pay the band!

Then you might be shocked to find out that nature aborts more babies in the first few weeks after conception than all the human factors put together. I'd urge you to do in- depth research of the process, of all the things that can go wrong and about the moral dilemmas arising from it.

Have you ever had to make life and death decisions about your body when you were at your worst? I have, and I can tell you that it's one of the most lonely places to be in existence. And I really hated to think that some of the extremists in this country could have possibly forced me into things like taking a feeding tube against my wishes. All because they see things they themselves have not/cannot experience as black-and-white choices which someone with nothing to lose might make that offends what they believe _their_ God would want and because they themselves are terrified out of their minds about death.

Thankfully, I don't think we'll hear much about abortion this election cycle because conservative hardliners still look like extremists in libertarian disguise over the Teri Schaivo case, which drew the ire of a solid majority of the American people.

-Kerry O.

Well anyways, it is still a women's choice only.

I wil say this once and once only so listen up please, as this issomething that offends me highly.

If I tell you that soemthign does not affect the way I believe, etc. for example that I do not allow my religious beliefs to influence my belief about abortion, then that is exactly what I mean and it is the dead honost truth.
Yes OTHERS may be influenced by their religious beliefs, but I am oe of those rare people that can sit back and sort everything out without putting religion into the factor, or my own personal beliefs. you could damn near call mea a robot as I amm ore than capable of judging and witnessing without letting anything other than knowledge of the law affect how I react.

So please do not ever again tell me that a choice I make, or a way I behave is due to my religious beliefs wether I want to admit it or not. Kapish?

Don't ever assume to know what I, or anyone else, would be willing to do or not do hun as you have absolutely no idea.

then you've proven my point, there is no black and white on this...you can't 'understand' abortion in the case of rape or molestation, but then say "if you don't want to face the music don't pay the band!"

too much grey area

until you've been faced with the decision of weather or not to abort, until you've weighed each and every factor, every circumstance, you can't say what you would do or not, or what you think is right or not

if you say so, just don't mine me, i'll believe it when i see it

1) Are you proposing that you will build a time machine, travel back in time and find someone to rape my mother when I was to be conceived, so that I would be a child of rape?

2) My self image is okay, thanks for asking.

3) Who put in you charge of deciding which humans should live and which shouldn't? "Oh, child of rape? Yeah, let's just kill it." Shouldn't the child have the choice of deciding what happens to it? What about all the kids whose parents were alcoholics? Shouldn't they be murdered too? I mean for their own good, of course! How about the children of other criminals? "Sorry, your father was a white colar criminal...we couldn't be so cruel as to let you live with the shame. Hold still while we suck your brain out."

4) I was making the point that a young girl who has been raped or the victim of incest can go get an abortion. The evidence of the crime is then thrown away. You guys cry "It's so hard to prove a rape...sob sob", but then you support the idea of a young girl getting an abortion and throwing away the only evidence that a rape ever happened? If you are going to support abortion, you should at least find a way to catch the rapists and incestous individuals who created the babys. Otherwise (as I said earlier) you are simply giving them a repeat offender card.

umm..nope, that's impossible..lol


im happy for you, not all are as lucky as you tho



the point is..if it's MY body, MY case, MY circumstances..then I put myself in charge of deciding...thank you for proving my point.

see, the child of rape most often has no idea of genetics, the child of alcoholism does, the child of a murderer does, the child of a criminal does. im sure you'd agree, in alot of cases, it's incredibly important to know genetics, if not direly necessary, it's nice to be aware of what you can pass down to your own children



agreed, press charges, have 'em arrested, casterate the bastards that do this to kids...safe any evidence you possibly can, and punish the biological father to the fullest extent.

genetics is considered a high science category that the AVERAGE citizen (of any country) does not truly comprehend.

As far as the idea that a rapist is genetically flawed in such a way that he (or she) will produce more rapists, it has yet to be proven and is just a theory. Personally I dont buy into it as in the end it is a choice someone makes, not somethign they can not control.

i wasn't refering to some gene that would be traveled down the line that would prove to make another rapist..not at all..

i was refering to bi-polar, schizophrenia, heart disease..things of that nature..

no one can tell me bi-polar isn't hereditary
no one can tell me schizophrenia isn't hereditary
no one can tell me that heart disease isn't hereditary

you get my meaning now, right?

sorry misunderstood the referance earlier. And I agree a person should have access to that knowledge. The sad fact is however most people do NOT have access to that knowledge, even those that grow up in a "perfect" family setting (where the parents stay in love and together until death do they part and provide lve, care, nurturing, etc. etc.). For example, myself: Onmy fathers side I can only go back as far as my great grandmother at the moment, and thus only know three generations worth of information, a lot of which even two generations ago was not understood or explainable so was just not talked about.

Now, for those that are adopted: Most if not all laws require that ther be absolutely no information that can lead to finding out the natural birth parent given to an adopted child. This includes medical information fromt he family. It is being fought now to allow this information but it is still illegal most places for an adopted child to have his/her family medical history.

So with that being said, what difference would it make for a child of rape, to no thae genetic background information? They are in the same position as the general public in this area.

The simple (and yes sad) truth is, if you are strong enough to give birth to a child of rape, wether you adopt them out or not, if you do not let that child know they were the product of a rape, then there is no reason to fear about their reaction to it, or their being able to cope with it. By all means tellthem whent hey get olde nough to handle it if you think itis neccesary, just like a child that you adopt and tell at 18 they were adopted. But otherwise just let the child be raised the same way any other healthy normal child would be raised (sorry I am not trying to say they would not be normal), and you have a beautiful child that turns into a beautiful adult that helps create more beautiful life and is a good product of society.

hey, I was raised a roman catholic, and the reason I don't believe in abortion is not because of my religion but because my friend was forced to have an abortion by her mom because she was raped by her father. This has scarred her greatly.

But to this day, she cannot say whether she would have kept the baby, the most that hurts her is that she did NOT have a choice.

Would things be different if she had a choice? Can a 15 year old make such a big decision? Would she have gave the baby up for adoption? (most likely), Would she be able to live with herself, either way?

my issue with this, is that my youngest brother was adopted, he found us at age 16, and it was pretty amazing how he did it, however, had his adopted parents never told him, let him know about us, he wouldn't ever have known that his father was bi-polar, wouldn't have ever known where he got the gene, or how it was treated, as his birth father is locked away right now (has been for years)



so then, never tell 'em? or tell 'em later in life? my younger brother has said to his adopted parents how he is happy he met his birth mother and the other family members, he's living a great life now (my opinion of course cuz i know him) as an Xray technician, he's engaged, and a part of a great family, he's also a part of our family, he now feels that he has 2 families.

now, had she never told him, he wouldn't know us (my side of his family), he wouldn't know about his bi-polar gene, and i think the knowledge he's gotten by meeting us, and being aware of us, has helped him alot..

we live in an information age, the more you have, the better off ya are..

Robin -- Just to clear up the "proper forum" issue -- this thread started out in General -- I moved it here because, as you say, the topic is clearly more appropriately based in "News" than "General" -- the requests to move the thread occurred before I had a chance to read it! So, I think that, at the time they were made, those requests to move were entirely legitimate.

still believe your religious foundation weighs heavily in your belief system. just because of your wording right there, "god".

but it's whatever. for now, women are still able to do what they will with their own body. as it should be. worry about yourself.

i for one am thankful for every child that's not brought into this world into unfavorable conditions.

I don't know, society delves too much into the individuals right these days...nothing seems to be by choice anymore, the least we can have is the right to our bodies.