Vengence and justice are right about the same to me.

Justice is out of love for future victims, getting them off the streets is justice because it protects the innocent from them. Vengeance is to say "ha, got you" & is done out of hatefulness & spite. Death penalty is beyond justice because it serves no purpose but to say "ha, got you". But again the bottom line is "life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness", death penalty is unconstitutional;^]

if they would of did the exacution thing for the 16 year old the 3 year old would still be alive

does this mean there should be no punishment for any crime

or is there a degree variation

hellkitten,I can't see why the unborn child had to pay for that crime. This is oxymoron; you want to execute the person for the crime but instead execute the baby. No wonder pro-lifers don't mind their own busniess.

Poor baby. People like to take the easy way out of things.

BUT IS IT REVENGE?

Abolitionists claim that the death penalty is a means of revenge. It is not. One way for the victim's family to get revenge would be to go out and murder a member of the murderer's family in order to get him to experience the same type of suffering he put them through. If the purpose of the state in executing murderers was retribution or revenge, then criminals would be executed in the same way they that murdered their victims. But alas, the point of the death penalty is not to see how much pain can be unleashed on the murderer but to bring him to justice.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness aren't deemed inalienable rights? Sure sounds like a federal issue to me, you can lock away somebody for life, THAT is justice, murdering them goes beyond the call of justice and is plain vengeance. State authority stops at the personal rights, and life is guarenteed by the consitution and bill of rights;^]

"Kill," "murder," and "execute" are not interchangeable terms. Death penalty opponents would like us to believe otherwise. Just because two actions result in the same end does not make them morally equivalent. If it were so, legal incarceration would be equated with kidnapping, lovemaking with rape, self-defense with battery,

Death Penalty is not unconstitutional. As pointed out. We should have evolved from a neandrathal stage of intelligene to a point of intelligence that punishment is not allowing legal murder. I believe we should be smarter than that by now. I have faith that humans can evolve past his thought process.

I have said this on the abortion issue and I will say it again, until all unwanted children in the world have homes of love to live in with parents who will not abandon them, we should not even be discussing the abortion issue. Yes, it is horrid. But I do not believe a person is a person until it is born so I can allow that a woman has control of her body, period. I also agree that if you do not believe in abortion, DO NOT HAVE ONE!!!! That is as far as your control over another person's body should be allowed to go. Men, I am sorry you should have no input unless you are willing to support all the unaborted children. ALL, no exceptions. You walk up to a woman at an abortion clinic and hand her a check for $100,000 or so and if she choses not to abort you have saved one child. Do it for all of them and consider yourself a savior.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

as far as abortion goes, I do not agree with it in any sense. use the example of a famous movie series "nightmare on elm street" "freddies" mother was raped by 1000 madmen, thus pretty much garunteeing inception. Was she a victim? Hell yes. (and yes I am using a ficticious example on purpose; I pray to gd soemthign like this nbever happens again [it HAS happened in the past, although not neccesarriyl by one thousand].) BUT, the fact tat she had been impregnated doe nsot give her the right to choose life over death for an unborn child. So she became pregnant (no I am not heartless), that is one more thing for her to bring to the justice tables. there is always adoption as an option. DO NOT PUNISH THOSE THAT ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE!!!

So it is double murder if you kill a woman who is pregnant, but yet abortion is not murder? Something doesn't add up. How can you murder something that supposedly is not a living human being?

You people are crazy. It was a fetus. And my friend didn't want to be reminded of this horrible crime for the rest of her life. She already has enough emotional problems because of it.If you are so pro-life, then why don't you support and adopt all the unwanted, drug addicted, mentally retarded children in this country. You pro-lifers need to wake the hell up. Just because you can have sex, doesn't mean you will be a great parent.

YEAH YOU PRO-LIFERS NEED TO MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS. Not everyone believes in your god, so leave these women alone.

give me a break. what do you save the world daily, feeding homeless and unwanted children?