sorry kol, didn't mean to come across so rudely, just that nothing erases the pain, that's all

That did not make sense but I will assume you meant that I have compassion for the unwanted children and none for the unborn. Well you said it, the unborn. Once born you are here. Until then you are cells. That may sound cold and unfeeling but it is the truth. A child here now has priority. People yell and scream about abortion which, yes, I agree it is a horrid form of relief of an unwanted child but a woman should have the right to choose it if she finds herself pregnant with an unwanted child. It always comes back to this unwanted thing huh? Do you know how many men bail on their responsibility with children? Many. Do you know how hard it is as a woman alone raising children? Probably not. A woman ultimately ends up with the responsibility of the child. It should be her choice. I cannot take that from any woman. Using it as a form of birth control as portrayed, no it is not. Once a woman has one abortion she will not try to come back for another. I can guarentee you that. I have counseled women on this choice and they do not make it lightly. It still comes back to the unwanted children. Unwanted alive now in the world. They are all needing parents. Once there are no more unwanted children and it is a shortage of children to adopt in the system then we can worry about future unwanted children. Abortion is just a choice available. If you do not want her to have the abortion, start an organization that hands these women a good $100,000 to raise the child. If you can't do that then do not impinge on her right to choose. She will have to raise the child alone so it is her ultimately that should make the choice.

This has nothing to do with an innocent on death row, absolutely nothing.

Oh lord, I wrote a book again, sorry

correct me if Im wrong but by your picture I am assuming you are/were in the military, perhaps you've had the experience of killing another person. I have never killed another, and while I've been in situations that could have ended in either them or me dying I have been spared having to make that decision. I don't know it having had the experience of taking a life influences ones judgement about the death penality.

No judgement intended, just thinking out loud.

A popular bumper sticker says, "We kill people to show people that killing people is wrong." The slogan is short, simple, and to the point. But is there really such irony in capital punishment as the slogan implies?

WORD GAMES

First of all, the slogan misses an important point. The death penalty does not punish people for killing, but for murder. Killing is justified when it is done in self-defense. Killing means to cause death. Murder, on the other hand, is defined as, "the unlawful and malicious or premeditated killing of one human being by another" (for the less observant, this definition cannot be applied to the death penalty, because the death penalty is lawful, non-malicious, and is not carried out by an individual but by the government). "Kill," "murder," and "execute" are not interchangeable terms. Death penalty opponents would like us to believe otherwise. Just because two actions result in the same end does not make them morally equivalent. If it were so, legal incarceration would be equated with kidnapping, lovemaking with rape, self-defense with battery, etc. Therefore, the slogan is better stated, "We execute people to show people that murder is wrong." Not quite as catchy, is it?

The woman that aborts the baby is no beter than the man that abandoned the pregnant woman. Two wrongs don't make it right. You say it is a womans choice..... Well until the Supreme Court repeals Roe v Wade, that is legally true.

Dragoness, I have adopted 2 & since you demanding rules are enforced, how many have you adopted? What you are saying is that if humans aren't wanted then they should be killed. Are you wanted?

A fetus is not a child, women are not incubators, abortion is not murder.



How barbaric, symplemyne. Oh by the way, kool hair do. Abortion is murder cause it takes a life not only a child. Heartbeats are deteced 3 weeks after conception. If it has a heart it is life, if it has life it is a child. No women are not incubators but should be more responsible with the life they can bring forth.

tomie...
I think the dragoness has retreated to her lair. But be assured she will return. It baffles me how ppl can claim to have compassion for unwanted children and yet support abortion. Those very same ppl are appalled at the death penalty.

ok well I am out of here I hope you got the answers you were ACTUALLY looking for, I know this has turned in to a whole different subject now...so I am gonna turn my head and go about my merry way good luck to all

mrtxstar,
You're so right, my man. I see people here locally having trouble adopting & many going to foreign countries to adopt. Not that it is wrong, we should care for children across the world. But to have them slaughtered instead of allowing them life unwanted, where is the justice in this? Who gives us the right to enforce that type of justice?
And speaking of injustice, I guess we have done kolhauzer an injustice in detouring his post. Please forgive us again, kolhauzer for this disruption in your thread.
mrtexstar, how many children did you adopt? How old are they now? GOD bless you & your family.
T mie

The thing is, dna is not full proof either. DNA can be planted just like any other evidence.

The bottom line, again, here in the US anyway, is that the death penalty is unconstitutional. "Life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness", these are INALIANABLE rights. And besides that there's no justice in it, only revenge. And it IS murder. Life in prison works alot better;^]

So life in prison isn't a death penalty? To live the rest of your life and die in prison isn't a death penalty?

Ya know, I had a friend get raped when she was 14 years old. She wound up pregnant by said man. She had an abortion. That was her right to do and I supported that. It's not anyone elses business WHY someone gets an abortion, so I feel all the pro-lifers need to mind their own damn business.

If you wanna put it like that life itself is a death penalty, in prison or not. Once again, the death penalty is unconstitutional;^]

If you say so. I'm sorry, but if someone came and raped and killed my child, he should die.

Hence my other point. First was it being unconstitutional, second is that it has nothing to do with justice, only vengeance. And yes, I have had loved ones murdered;^]