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Topic: COFFEEHOUSE CHAT FOR CHRISTIANS - part 2
Britty's photo
Sat 03/08/08 02:13 PM


I suggest you read it, he has a very straightforward way
of saying pretty profound things.

flowerforyou

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever
rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath
remains on him." (John 3.36)



Britty's photo
Sat 03/08/08 02:17 PM


Proverbs 21:19 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.




flowerforyou

Britty's photo
Sat 03/08/08 02:19 PM


I am reading the book 3.16.

Remember the rich man in torment who could see heaven.
Ever wonder why he did not request a transfer. He wanted
Lazarus to bring him water. Fancy that, he complained of
thirst, not injustice.

Water for the body, not for the soul.


flowerforyou :heart:

wouldee's photo
Sat 03/08/08 02:57 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sat 03/08/08 03:04 PM
flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile

laugh laugh laugh laugh so true, dear Britty.

I remember these two as well.bigsmile
Proverbs 21:9
"It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house."

and Proverbs25:24 repeats the one I mentioned as though once was not enough.laugh laugh laugh (((:wink:)))

In the margins of my Bible I had written see Judges 6:13 and 14,

see if you can catch the drift of my thought on this.bigsmile

"And Gideon said unto him, O, my Lord, if the LORD be with us, why then has all this befallen us? and where be all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.
And the LORD looked upon him and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?":wink:

then that passage has in the margin another thing I wrote down, being found in Proverbs 18:18,19.

"They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay.

He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me."

Then, this one that I love follows in Psalms 18:24-28.
"Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.

With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful ; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;

With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure ; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

For thou wilt save the afflicted people ; but will bring down high looks.

For thou wilt light my candle : the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness."


As Max might put it, the candle gives the heart light whereas the candle is only seen by the eye.


flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile (((glasses )))

Britty's photo
Sat 03/08/08 03:22 PM


I'm reading. laugh


flowerforyou

Britty's photo
Sat 03/08/08 03:43 PM

<<<<Psalms 18:24-28.
"Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.

With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful ; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;
With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure ; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.
For thou wilt save the afflicted people ; but will bring down high looks.
For thou wilt light my candle : the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness."
As Max might put it, the candle gives the heart light whereas the candle is only seen by the eye. >>>>

:smile: flowerforyou bigsmile



Britty's photo
Sat 03/08/08 10:14 PM
Good morning all.

Romans 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

flowerforyou :heart:

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Sat 03/08/08 10:29 PM
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This is rather lengthy, but I really enjoyed it.

The Paradox
By Alfred Noyes (b. 1880)

‘I Am that I Am’

ALL that is broken shall be mended;
All that is lost shall be found;
I will bind up every wound
When that which is begun shall be ended.
Not peace I brought among you but a sword
To divide the night from the day,
When I sent My worlds forth in their battle-array
To die and to live,
To give and to receive,
Saith the Lord.

Of old time they said none is good save our God;
But ye that have seen how the ages have
shrunk from my rod,
And how red is the wine-press wherein at
my bidding they trod,
Have answered and said that with Eden I
fashioned the snake,
That I mould you of clay for a moment,
then mar you and break,
And there is none evil but I, the
supreme Evil, God.
Lo, I say unto both, I am neither;
But greater than either;
For meeting and mingling in Me they
become neither evil nor good;
Their cycle is rounded, they know neither
hunger nor food,
They need neither sickle nor seed-time,
nor root nor fruit,
They are ultimate, infinite, absolute.
Therefore I say unto all that have sinned,
East and West and South and North
The wings of my measureless love go forth
To cover you all: they are free as the
wings of the wind.

Consider the troubled waters of the sea
Which never rest;
As the wandering waves are ye;
Yet assuaged and appeased and forgiven,
As the seas are gathered together under
the infinite glory of heaven,
I gather you all to my breast.
But the sins and the creeds and the
sorrows that trouble the sea
Relapse and subside,
Chiming like chords in a world-wide symphony
As they cease to chide;
For they break and they are broken
of sound and hue,
And they meet and they murmur and
they mingle anew,
Interweaving, intervolving, like waves:
they have no stay
They are all made as one with the deep,
when they sink and are vanished away;
Yea, all is toned at a turn of the tide
To a calm and golden harmony;
But I—shall I wonder or greatly care,
For their depth or their height?
Shall it be more than a song in my sight
How many wandering waves there were
Or how many colours and changes of light?
It is your eyes that see
And take heed of these things: they were
fashioned for you, not for Me.

With the stars and the clouds I have clothed
Myself here for your eyes
To behold That which Is. I have set
forth the strength of the skies
As one draweth a picture before you to
make your hearts wise;
That the infinite souls I have fashioned
may know as I know, Visibly revealed
In the flowers of the field,
Yea, declared by the stars in
their courses, the tides in their flow,
And the clash of the world’s wide
battle as it sways to and fro,
Flashing forth as a flame
The unnameable Name,
The ineffable Word,
I am the Lord.

I am the End to which the whole world strives:
Therefore are ye girdled with a
wild desire and shod
With sorrow; for among you all no soul
Shall ever cease or sleep or reach its goal
Of union and communion with the Whole,
Or rest content with less than being God.
Still, as unending asymptotes, your lives
In all their myriad wandering ways
Approach Me with the progress of the golden days;
Approach Me; for my love contrives
That ye should have the glory of this
For ever; yea, that life should blend
With life and only vanish away
From day to wider wealthier day,
Like still increasing spheres of light
that melt and merge in wider spheres
Even as the infinite years of the past
melt in the infinite future years.
Each new delight of sense,
Each hope, each love, each fear,
Widens, relumes and recreates each sphere,
From a new ring and nimbus of pre-eminence.
I am the Sphere without circumference:
I only and for ever comprehend
All others that within me meet and blend.
Death is but the blinding kiss
Of two finite infinities;
Two finite infinite orbs
The splendour of the greater of which absorbs
The less, though both like Love have
no beginning and no end.

Therefore is Love’s own breath
Like Knowledge, a continual death;
And all his laughter and kisses and tears,
And woven wiles of peace and strife,
That ever widen thus your temporal spheres,
Are making of the memory of your former years
A very death in life.

I am that I am;
Ye are evil and good;
With colour and glory and story and song
ye are fed as with food:
The cold and the heat,
The bitter and the sweet,
The calm and the tempest fulfil my Word;
Yet will ye complain of my two-edged sword
That has fashioned the finite and mortal
and given you the sweetness of strife,
The blackness and whiteness,
The darkness and brightness,
Which sever your souls from the formless
and void and hold you fast-fettered to life?

Behold now, is Life not good?
Yea, is it not also much more than the food,
More than the raiment, more than the breath?
Yet Strife is its name!
Say, which will ye cast out first from the
furnace, the fuel or the flame?
Would ye all be as I am; and know neither
evil nor good; neither life; neither death;
Or mix with the void and the formless till
all were as one and the same?

I am that I am; the Container of
all things: kneel, lift up your hands
To the high Consummation of good
and of evil which none understands;
The divine Paradox, the ineffable Word,
in whose light the poor souls that ye trod
Underfoot as too vile for their fellows
are at terrible union with God!
Am I not over both evil and good,
The righteous man and the shedder of blood?
Shall I save or slay?
I am neither the night nor the day,
Saith the Lord.
Judge not, oh ye that are round my
footstool, judge not, ere the hour be born
That shall laugh you also to scorn.

Ah, yet I say unto all that have sinned,
East and West and South and North
The wings of my measureless love go forth
To cover you all: they are free as
the wings of the wind.

But one thing is needful; and
ye shall be true
To yourselves and the goal and
the God that ye seek;
Yea, the day and the night shall
requite it to you
If ye love one another, if your
love be not weak.

Since I sent out my worlds in their
battle-array To die and to live,
To give and to receive,
Not peace, not peace, I have brought
among you but a sword,
To divide the night from the day,
Saith the Lord;
Yet all that is broken shall be mended,
And all that is lost shall be found,
I will bind up every wound,
When that which is begun shall be ended.


flowerforyou :heart:

wouldee's photo
Sat 03/08/08 10:30 PM
bigsmile

Britty's photo
Sat 03/08/08 10:38 PM


Good morning, nice to have some company wouldee.


wouldee's photo
Sat 03/08/08 11:03 PM
good morning, Britty

coffee or tea?

Coffee for me.

aahhh....a paradox. at least its not a box:wink:

"a pebble of calm cast into a raging sea of doubt and unbelief, be he." ephratan arba-elleh.

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Britty's photo
Sun 03/09/08 04:51 AM


Good morning, Wouldee

It's tea for me

this morning, later I shall enjoy a coffee.

Looks like a sunny day after all the wind and rain


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Britty's photo
Sun 03/09/08 07:15 AM
Trees

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.
A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
A tree that may in Summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.
Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.

(by. Joyce Kilmer)
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1956CLEO's photo
Sun 03/09/08 07:28 AM

Trees

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.
A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
A tree that may in Summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.
Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.

(by. Joyce Kilmer)
flowerforyou :heart:


Good morning! I've heard this poem before, but not like that!flowerforyou

1956CLEO's photo
Sun 03/09/08 03:28 PM
Good evening all!

Britty's photo
Sun 03/09/08 04:59 PM
Hi Cleo, hope you liked that poem.

I went to a new church this morning with a friend, they did not want to go alone. It was a good service, I shall share one of the songs in a moment. They have a divorce care program which is the reason I went with the friend. I am praying they will follow up with it and get the support that is needed.

I am not sure of the title or who wrote it, but these are the
words they had on the screens.

We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
And we pray that our unity will one day be restored
And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
Yeah they'll know we are Christians by our love

We will work with each other, we will work side by side
We will work with each other, we will work side by side
And we'll guard each man's dignity and save each man's pride
And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
Yeah, they'll know we are Christians by our love.

flowerforyou :heart:

Britty's photo
Sun 03/09/08 05:25 PM
Who am I? - Casting Crowns


Who am I?
That the Lord of all the earth,
Would care to know my name,
Would care to feel my hurt.
Who am I?
That the bright and morning star,
Would choose to light the way,
For my ever wandering heart.

Bridge:
Not because of who I am,
But because of what you've done.
Not because of what I've done,
But because of who you are.

Chorus:
I am a flower quickly fading,
Here today and gone tomorrow,
A wave tossed in the ocean,
A vapor in the wind.
Still you hear me when I'm calling,
Lord, you catch me when I'm falling,
And you've told me who I am.
I am yours.
I am yours.

Who am I?
That the eyes that see my sin
Would look on me with love
And watch me rise again.
Who am I?
That the voice that calmed the sea,
Would call out through the rain,
And calm the storm in me.

Not because of who I am,
But because of what you've done.
Not because of what I've done,
But because of who you are.


I am a flower quickly fading,
Here today and gone tomorrow,
A wave tossed in the ocean,
A vapor in the wind.
Still you hear me when I'm calling,
Lord, you catch me when I'm falling,
And you've told me who I am.
I am yours.

Not because of who I am,
But because of what you've done.
Not because of what I've done,
But because of who you are.


I am a flower quickly fading,
Here today and gone tomorrow,
A wave tossed in the ocean,
A vapor in the wind.
Still you hear me when I'm calling,
Lord, you catch me when I'm falling,
And you've told me who I am.
I am yours.
I am yours.

I am yours.

Whom shall I fear?
Whom shall I fear?
'Cause I am yours.
I am yours.

flowerforyou :heart:

wouldee's photo
Sun 03/09/08 06:20 PM
no fear:wink:



Beautiful song!



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Britty's photo
Mon 03/10/08 01:21 AM
I came across another poem, I enjoyed upon first reading.


Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard
by Thomas Gray

The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,
The lowing herd wind slowly o'er the lea
The plowman homeward plods his weary way,
And leaves the world to darkness and to me.

Now fades the glimm'ring landscape on the sight,
And all the air a solemn stillness holds,
Save where the beetle wheels his droning flight,
And drowsy tinklings lull the distant folds;

Save that from yonder ivy-mantled tow'r
The moping owl does to the moon complain
Of such, as wand'ring near her secret bow'r,
Molest her ancient solitary reign.

Beneath those rugged elms, that yew-tree's shade,
Where heaves the turf in many a mould'ring heap,
Each in his narrow cell for ever laid,
The rude forefathers of the hamlet sleep.

The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn,
The swallow twitt'ring from the straw-built shed,
The ****'s shrill clarion, or the echoing horn,
No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed.

For them no more the blazing hearth shall burn,
Or busy housewife ply her evening care:
No children run to lisp their sire's return,
Or climb his knees the envied kiss to share.

Oft did the harvest to their sickle yield,
Their furrow oft the stubborn glebe has broke;
How jocund did they drive their team afield!
How bow'd the woods beneath their sturdy stroke!

Let not Ambition mock their useful toil,
Their homely joys, and destiny obscure;
Nor Grandeur hear with a disdainful smile
The short and simple annals of the poor.

The boast of heraldry, the pomp of pow'r,
And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
Awaits alike th' inevitable hour.
The paths of glory lead but to the grave.

Nor you, ye proud, impute to these the fault,
If Mem'ry o'er their tomb no trophies raise,
Where thro' the long-drawn aisle and fretted vault
The pealing anthem swells the note of praise.

Can storied urn or animated bust
Back to its mansion call the fleeting breath?
Can Honour's voice provoke the silent dust,
Or Flatt'ry soothe the dull cold ear of Death?

Perhaps in this neglected spot is laid
Some heart once pregnant with celestial fire;
Hands, that the rod of empire might have sway'd,
Or wak'd to ecstasy the living lyre.

But Knowledge to their eyes her ample page
Rich with the spoils of time did ne'er unroll;
Chill Penury repress'd their noble rage,
And froze the genial current of the soul.

Full many a gem of purest ray serene,
The dark unfathom'd caves of ocean bear:
Full many a flow'r is born to blush unseen,
And waste its sweetness on the desert air.

Some village-Hampden, that with dauntless breast
The little tyrant of his fields withstood;
Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest,
Some Cromwell guiltless of his country's blood.

Th' applause of list'ning senates to command,
The threats of pain and ruin to despise,
To scatter plenty o'er a smiling land,
And read their hist'ry in a nation's eyes,

Their lot forbade: nor circumscrib'd alone
Their growing virtues, but their crimes confin'd;
Forbade to wade through slaughter to a throne,
And shut the gates of mercy on mankind,

The struggling pangs of conscious truth to hide,
To quench the blushes of ingenuous shame,
Or heap the shrine of Luxury and Pride
With incense kindled at the Muse's flame.

Far from the madding crowd's ignoble strife,
Their sober wishes never learn'd to stray;
Along the cool sequester'd vale of life
They kept the noiseless tenor of their way.

Yet ev'n these bones from insult to protect,
Some frail memorial still erected nigh,
With uncouth rhymes and shapeless sculpture deck'd,
Implores the passing tribute of a sigh.

Their name, their years, spelt by th' unletter'd muse,
The place of fame and elegy supply:
And many a holy text around she strews,
That teach the rustic moralist to die.

For who to dumb Forgetfulness a prey,
This pleasing anxious being e'er resign'd,
Left the warm precincts of the cheerful day,
Nor cast one longing, ling'ring look behind?

On some fond breast the parting soul relies,
Some pious drops the closing eye requires;
Ev'n from the tomb the voice of Nature cries,
Ev'n in our ashes live their wonted fires.

For thee, who mindful of th' unhonour'd Dead
Dost in these lines their artless tale relate;
If chance, by lonely contemplation led,
Some kindred spirit shall inquire thy fate,

Haply some hoary-headed swain may say,
"Oft have we seen him at the peep of dawn
Brushing with hasty steps the dews away
To meet the sun upon the upland lawn.

"There at the foot of yonder nodding beech
That wreathes its old fantastic roots so high,
His listless length at noontide would he stretch,
And pore upon the brook that babbles by.

"Hard by yon wood, now smiling as in scorn,
Mutt'ring his wayward fancies he would rove,
Now drooping, woeful wan, like one forlorn,
Or craz'd with care, or cross'd in hopeless love.

"One morn I miss'd him on the custom'd hill,
Along the heath and near his fav'rite tree;
Another came; nor yet beside the rill,
Nor up the lawn, nor at the wood was he;

"The next with dirges due in sad array
Slow thro' the church-way path we saw him borne.
Approach and read (for thou canst read) the lay,
Grav'd on the stone beneath yon aged thorn."

THE EPITAPH

Here rests his head upon the lap of Earth
A youth to Fortune and to Fame unknown.
Fair Science frown'd not on his humble birth,
And Melancholy mark'd him for her own.

Large was his bounty, and his soul sincere,
Heav'n did a recompense as largely send:
He gave to Mis'ry all he had, a tear,
He gain'd from Heav'n ('twas all he wish'd) a friend.

No farther seek his merits to disclose,
Or draw his frailties from their dread abode,
(There they alike in trembling hope repose)
The bosom of his Father and his God.

flowerforyou :heart:

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Mon 03/10/08 01:57 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/10/08 02:02 AM
Britty...God Bless You for Your Constant Faithfuless and Steadfastness, in Sharing God's Word here.flowerforyou

In fact, God Bess All Who Faithfully Shine for Jesus Here....flowerforyou

Btw, Britty.... haven't seen that poem about the Tree, in ages!!!

And the song ," They'll know we are Christians by our Love",
was always one of my favs.....

Used to sing that song way back in grade school.... Still LOVE singing it today....happy

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