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Topic: MARS PLANET
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Sun 04/11/21 03:07 AM
MARS planet long ago was wet.🤽‍♀️🤽‍♂️:swimmer:‍♀️

Poetrywriter's photo
Sun 04/11/21 11:32 AM
That is a known fact so tell us something we don't know.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 04/14/21 07:55 AM
I haven't read any scientific articles but I think wet Mars' water was blown off into space over millions of years when its magnetosphere started collapsing.
Solar wind forced the water into space, which became water ice.
The ice was then swept outward to Jupiter/Saturn and as time ticked by, gathered on moons and in the ring systems.
Its a known fact the Jovian and Saturnian systems have large amounts of water ice surrounding them.

Since our star is slowly rising in temperature as it ages, there may come a time in the far distant future when the Jovian and Saturnian water ice rises in temperature enough to cause water droplets to form on the different moons.
Perhaps 3 or 4 billion years from now. The Earth will be a burnt cinder and Mars may have Earth's water from the same process which caused Mars to lose its water in the past.

Mars could turn wet again but the planet has no protection from solar/cosmic radiation because its magnetosphere no longer exists. Basically, a planet of water but only simple life forms at the bottom of very deep oceans..

Eventually, when the Sun reaches red giant stage, some of Jupiter's moons may be warm enough for liquid water and protected by Jupiter's magnetosphere, eventually develop life.

Additionally, due to the changes in gravitational waves from a larger less dense star, many long duration comets may impact the Jovian moons populating them with long dormant life-giving compounds and even more water ice.
Chances are, Europa could be similar to Earth, eventually.
Its large enough to have a similar gravity which would allow for the processes to occur for atmosphere and resultant weather to form. A water based atmosphere might also increase the pressure enought to allow for complex life forms to develop.
Given enough time, water and heat, it could develop an Earth-like environment.\
But, I'm talking about over a billion or more years.

Its a fact the Sun is growing hotter.
Its a fact as the Sun grows hotter the goldilocks zone moves outward.
Its a fact the Sun will become a red giant.
Its a fact the Earth will be too hot to allow water.
Its a fact Mars will get hotter and the frozen water ice will melt.
Its a fact the gravitational effects of the Sun will change over time.
Its a fact the solar system will have different periods of stability with periods of instability as the properties of our star changes.

All planetary systems will experience significant bombardment and material deposits.
Our Sun has a 10-15 billion year life span. It is currently in the early stages of its main sequence which gives its system a long duration stability.
Its getting hotter as it ages but currently slowly.
The red giant stage will have far greater periods of stability.
The red giant stage will slowly cool.
As it cools, the solar system will freeze again until evetually the entire system is a frozen, dead remnant circling a small white dwarf star. Eventually, even that will grow cold and dead.

The heliosphere will collapse and cosmic radiation and debris will invade our system until a nearby star forms or goes nova and sets the frozen husks of matter into new trajectories. What remains of Earth and other planets might, one day, be be captured by a nearby star and the life process restarted arond a different star. Or...The planetary husks could collide with other mass and be pulverized into dust.

In 8 billion years from now, the Universe will be over 20 billion years old (by some estimates). The Sun is a second generation star at least. This is fact because elements which form from stars already exist in our star system.
For those elements to exist here, other stars had to form them, explode the material into space and then gather that material by gravity to form our star system.

The fact Mars had/has water is insignificant.

Ki’Shara's photo
Sun 05/16/21 08:40 PM

That is a known fact so tell us something we don't know.

There’s water on Mars, the air is thin like the Himalayas but adaptable.

Ki’Shara's photo
Sun 05/16/21 08:48 PM

I haven't read any scientific articles but I think wet Mars' water was blown off into space over millions of years when its magnetosphere started collapsing.
Solar wind forced the water into space, which became water ice.
The ice was then swept outward to Jupiter/Saturn and as time ticked by, gathered on moons and in the ring systems.
Its a known fact the Jovian and Saturnian systems have large amounts of water ice surrounding them.

Since our star is slowly rising in temperature as it ages, there may come a time in the far distant future when the Jovian and Saturnian water ice rises in temperature enough to cause water droplets to form on the different moons.
Perhaps 3 or 4 billion years from now. The Earth will be a burnt cinder and Mars may have Earth's water from the same process which caused Mars to lose its water in the past.

Mars could turn wet again but the planet has no protection from solar/cosmic radiation because its magnetosphere no longer exists. Basically, a planet of water but only simple life forms at the bottom of very deep oceans..

Eventually, when the Sun reaches red giant stage, some of Jupiter's moons may be warm enough for liquid water and protected by Jupiter's magnetosphere, eventually develop life.

Additionally, due to the changes in gravitational waves from a larger less dense star, many long duration comets may impact the Jovian moons populating them with long dormant life-giving compounds and even more water ice.
Chances are, Europa could be similar to Earth, eventually.
Its large enough to have a similar gravity which would allow for the processes to occur for atmosphere and resultant weather to form. A water based atmosphere might also increase the pressure enought to allow for complex life forms to develop.
Given enough time, water and heat, it could develop an Earth-like environment.\
But, I'm talking about over a billion or more years.

Its a fact the Sun is growing hotter.
Its a fact as the Sun grows hotter the goldilocks zone moves outward.
Its a fact the Sun will become a red giant.
Its a fact the Earth will be too hot to allow water.
Its a fact Mars will get hotter and the frozen water ice will melt.
Its a fact the gravitational effects of the Sun will change over time.
Its a fact the solar system will have different periods of stability with periods of instability as the properties of our star changes.

All planetary systems will experience significant bombardment and material deposits.
Our Sun has a 10-15 billion year life span. It is currently in the early stages of its main sequence which gives its system a long duration stability.
Its getting hotter as it ages but currently slowly.
The red giant stage will have far greater periods of stability.
The red giant stage will slowly cool.
As it cools, the solar system will freeze again until evetually the entire system is a frozen, dead remnant circling a small white dwarf star. Eventually, even that will grow cold and dead.

The heliosphere will collapse and cosmic radiation and debris will invade our system until a nearby star forms or goes nova and sets the frozen husks of matter into new trajectories. What remains of Earth and other planets might, one day, be be captured by a nearby star and the life process restarted arond a different star. Or...The planetary husks could collide with other mass and be pulverized into dust.

In 8 billion years from now, the Universe will be over 20 billion years old (by some estimates). The Sun is a second generation star at least. This is fact because elements which form from stars already exist in our star system.
For those elements to exist here, other stars had to form them, explode the material into space and then gather that material by gravity to form our star system.

The fact Mars had/has water is insignificant.

This year the sun unexpectedly reduced by 3,000 degrees and the cycles are off.
Like any weather storm it’s continued expected spike will keep increasing CME, 3 reported this week, and geomagnetic storms , 2 this week, triggering the earthquakes in globally higher magnitude as well as increasing volcanic activity.
The sun is visibly turning into a white star and destabilizing as this is currently part of the micro nova cycle.

Do you think people are evacuating because it’s safe?
That’s why there’s 2 arcs on the moon. One is human DNA 🧬.
Seed banks.
Cheyenne mountain has been on lock down for continuity of government.
And of course blatant disclosure expected in June. Because this is just starting as a galactic event you don’t have a choice but to tell people.
Everything I’ve written here is verifiable. Google it.

Rock's photo
Mon 05/17/21 02:12 AM
Let me know when the Martian bourbon is discovered.



As to the solar cooling...
It's called a Grand Solar Minimum.
It happens on an 11 year cycle.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 05/17/21 07:28 AM
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Mon 05/17/21 07:32 AM
Everything I’ve written here is verifiable. Google it.

Google is a search engine with results that lead to web pages.
You can 'google' any subject you can think of and get results which both confirm and deny anything.
Much of the internet is composed of web pages created by people for their own reasons. In general, not a verifiable source, in and of itself.
Google Scholar is a freely accessible web search engine that indexes the full text or metadata of scholarly literature across an array of publishing formats and disciplines. The search engine itself is not the verification. Only the actual findings published by the authorities making the claim is verifiable.
Everything else is supposition and personal deduction.
Hence, I opened with
I haven't read any scientific articles

which makes what I wrote my own opinion based on my own logic.

This year the sun unexpectedly reduced by 3,000 degrees and the cycles are off.
Like any weather storm it’s continued expected spike will keep increasing CME, 3 reported this week, and geomagnetic storms , 2 this week, triggering the earthquakes in globally higher magnitude as well as increasing volcanic activity.
The sun is visibly turning into a white star and destabilizing as this is currently part of the micro nova cycle.

Like RockGnome said:
It's called a Grand Solar Minimum.
It happens on an 11 year cycle.

There are solar cycles which occur over much longer duration than humans exist. From observations of other stars humans have surmised stars such as the Sun (Sol) have life cycles which are common for that type of star. Currently (the last 100 million years or so), Sol has been relatively stable compared to its past activity and possible future activity. However, due to fuel presence, Sol is gradually heating up, which will make it gradually more active as it ages. 100 Million years from now it could become more or less active...depending upon how stable it is.
Since the Sun is currently in its mid-life cycle and will be for about another billion years or so, relatively it will have stable activity much like it does now.

Do you think people are evacuating because it’s safe?

People do not have the technology or knowledge to evacuate so no people are evacuating Earth. It doesn't matter if its safe or not, we can't 'do' anything about it.

The Earth does keep us safe but it doesn't keep us safe for any reason beyond a natural process. The same natural process which allowed life to flourish on the planet surface.
That process is called 'the magnetosphere'.
The magnetosphere diverts the solar activity away from Earth acing as a protective shield. Mars lost its magnetosphere when its liquid iron core solidified. Without that protection, its atmosphere mostly blew off into space (gravity does hold some atmosphere against the surface).
In addition, solar radiation and cosmic radiation burned the surface.
The same solar and cosmic radiation never hits fully on the Earth's surface because the magnetosphere of the Earth is still active.
The Earth's atmosphere also acts as a thermal stabilizer which allows water to exist on the surface in the states we see.
Without a magnetosphere, the Earth's atmosphere would dissipate or be blown off into space. Without the atmosphere as it is now, the Earth would cool on the night side and burn on the day side. Life probably wouldn't survive long in those conditions.

That’s why there’s 2 arcs on the moon. One is human DNA 🧬.
Seed banks.

There are no human constructs on the Moon except remnants of the Apollo missions and assorted exploration missions. Not only would there be evidence by amateur telescopes there would have been multiple missions, very expensive missions to transport material, personnel and support to the Lunar surface.
Seed banks on the Moon are purely scientific speculation and science fantasy.
The Moon is a much more hostile environment than Mars.

Cheyenne mountain has been on lock down for continuity of government.

Its easy for me to surmise you are gullible and will believe anything you read, whether verified or not.

Perhaps you should read some of the articles, papers and theories published by real scientists.
Try searching out "nasa planetary data system" on Google Scholar or directly searching the NASA website for fact data.

Rock's photo
Fri 07/02/21 06:46 PM
I know the pain of living in a dry area.
I briefly lived in Andrews, Texas.
We had to drive all the way to Odessa,
just to buy beer.

I'm glad the Martians finally have their own
Class 6 stores.

dust4fun's photo
Sat 07/03/21 02:19 AM
Edited by dust4fun on Sat 07/03/21 02:25 AM

MARS planet long ago was wet.🤽‍♀️🤽‍♂️:swimmer:‍♀️


Sounds like some of the women I have been with 🤪

Michael's photo
Tue 09/07/21 12:45 PM
OK, but I know there's some counties in Kentucky that are dry.

 Ꮢ Ꭷ Ᏸ ɨ Ꮑ's photo
Sat 09/25/21 04:09 AM
Lets first save the livinghood earth,
Lot's of scientist an other experts are working for rest planets Theory..

:ok_hand::globe_with_meridians:

no photo
Thu 10/14/21 09:59 PM
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/nasa-planet-hunter-finds-its-1st-earth-size-habitable-zone-world

...but we are also beginning to realize travelling to and colonizing other planets may be near impossible due to our dependence on this very specific environment.

We need new, improved bodies.
We can do much by making external tools such as space ships, but being less vulnerable in the first place is necessary.

Technically, a body is an interface between the mind and environment -and both the mind and body may potentially be improved in order to makes us less subject to environment -and environment more subject to us.

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Fri 10/15/21 08:42 AM
Edited by Unknow on Fri 10/15/21 08:43 AM
“Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

Man accomplishing that alone if possible would be a messy road -but making "tools"/capabilities, invulnerability, etc. part of the design of a body rather than external tools/capabilities or protection is really necessary to go beyond a certain point. We would not need to exactly replicate specific conditions.

Jaan Doh 's photo
Fri 10/15/21 03:41 PM
I hope they find extra terrestrials on Mars...

One of them loaned £5 off me, said he wanted to phone home :house_with_garden: :joy:

Tom4Uhere's photo
Tue 01/04/22 06:17 AM

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/nasa-planet-hunter-finds-its-1st-earth-size-habitable-zone-world

...but we are also beginning to realize travelling to and colonizing other planets may be near impossible due to our dependence on this very specific environment.

We need new, improved bodies.
We can do much by making external tools such as space ships, but being less vulnerable in the first place is necessary.

Technically, a body is an interface between the mind and environment -and both the mind and body may potentially be improved in order to makes us less subject to environment -and environment more subject to us.

Netflix did a movie which explores this concept.
The Titan (2018) On a bleak future Earth, a soldier endures a radical genetic transformation to save humanity. But his wife fears he's becoming more creature than man.
It explores the process of genetically altering the human baseline to create an intelligent human-based creature able to live suit-free on the moon Titan.

In the Dune Fictional Universe, the Spacing Guild are humans altered by Spice to live/work in space.

In the mythology of Atlantis, humans have genetically altered to allow them to breathe/survive underwater.

In multiple science fiction novels and short stories humans are genetically altered in various ways to specialize in hostile environments, including long duration space flights.

Its not a giant leap to imagine our actual future might hold customized human body plans designed for specific environments.
We currently exist in an era of genetic manipulation and while still in its infancy, could eventually develop into popular demand. Right now, moral concerns over-ride innovation but that might be a temporary condition.

Terraforming is not a 'shake n bake' process. It takes many specific elements in just the right ratios and lots of time.
Its faster, cheaper and easier to change the human body than to change an entire planet.
Plus, any habitable planets which might be found will not be an exact Earth match and will take very long spaceflights to get there. If a colony ship is sent, robotics and AI can handle much but not all conditions. Some type of human mind presence will be needed to handle the unexpected.
Human minds which will need bodies able to exist in long duration spaceflight.

Specialized ship-tender humans may be developed which barely resemble base-line humans at all.
For example, artificial gravity does not exist. A human who lives their entire life in space may have no need for legs but they may have arms with hands where their legs should be.

Mike L's photo
Sat 01/08/22 05:59 PM

There’s water on Mars, the air is thin like the Himalayas but adaptable.

You cannot breathe it but we could live in the underground volcanoes and then terraform the surface of Mars as we restablish both the water and magnetic field.

They recently showed that we can use Martian soil and human blood (as a catalyst agent) for Martian Concrete that would withstand the deadly surface of Mars.

Mike L's photo
Sat 01/08/22 06:05 PM

I haven't read any scientific articles but I think wet Mars' water was blown off into space over millions of years when its magnetosphere started collapsing.
Solar wind forced the water into space, which became water ice.
The ice was then swept outward to Jupiter/Saturn and as time ticked by, gathered on moons and in the ring systems.
Its a known fact the Jovian and Saturnian systems have large amounts of water ice surrounding them.

Since our star is slowly rising in temperature as it ages, there may come a time in the far distant future when the Jovian and Saturnian water ice rises in temperature enough to cause water droplets to form on the different moons.
Perhaps 3 or 4 billion years from now. The Earth will be a burnt cinder and Mars may have Earth's water from the same process which caused Mars to lose its water in the past.

Mars could turn wet again but the planet has no protection from solar/cosmic radiation because its magnetosphere no longer exists. Basically, a planet of water but only simple life forms at the bottom of very deep oceans..

Eventually, when the Sun reaches red giant stage, some of Jupiter's moons may be warm enough for liquid water and protected by Jupiter's magnetosphere, eventually develop life.

Additionally, due to the changes in gravitational waves from a larger less dense star, many long duration comets may impact the Jovian moons populating them with long dormant life-giving compounds and even more water ice.
Chances are, Europa could be similar to Earth, eventually.
Its large enough to have a similar gravity which would allow for the processes to occur for atmosphere and resultant weather to form. A water based atmosphere might also increase the pressure enought to allow for complex life forms to develop.
Given enough time, water and heat, it could develop an Earth-like environment.\
But, I'm talking about over a billion or more years.

Its a fact the Sun is growing hotter.
Its a fact as the Sun grows hotter the goldilocks zone moves outward.
Its a fact the Sun will become a red giant.
Its a fact the Earth will be too hot to allow water.
Its a fact Mars will get hotter and the frozen water ice will melt.
Its a fact the gravitational effects of the Sun will change over time.
Its a fact the solar system will have different periods of stability with periods of instability as the properties of our star changes.

All planetary systems will experience significant bombardment and material deposits.
Our Sun has a 10-15 billion year life span. It is currently in the early stages of its main sequence which gives its system a long duration stability.
Its getting hotter as it ages but currently slowly.
The red giant stage will have far greater periods of stability.
The red giant stage will slowly cool.
As it cools, the solar system will freeze again until evetually the entire system is a frozen, dead remnant circling a small white dwarf star. Eventually, even that will grow cold and dead.

The heliosphere will collapse and cosmic radiation and debris will invade our system until a nearby star forms or goes nova and sets the frozen husks of matter into new trajectories. What remains of Earth and other planets might, one day, be be captured by a nearby star and the life process restarted arond a different star. Or...The planetary husks could collide with other mass and be pulverized into dust.

In 8 billion years from now, the Universe will be over 20 billion years old (by some estimates). The Sun is a second generation star at least. This is fact because elements which form from stars already exist in our star system.
For those elements to exist here, other stars had to form them, explode the material into space and then gather that material by gravity to form our star system.

The fact Mars had/has water is insignificant.

So I have because I have a few Twitter friends in the field. Water never blew off at the ice caps and cycles in deadly flash flood ice storms between the poles and temperature zones.
So water but not "safe" and "drinkable" water.

Recently there has been the postulate that drinkable or safe ice and water might been in ancient volcanoes that were trapped from the surface.

This is because Martian have recently have a slightly more stable and safe atmosphere compared to Martian surface. Still not 100% breathable without a mask to supply the missing gases, but easier than living on the surface. It is suspect though that parts of magnetosphere are still active that close to the mantle, so cave in would be an issue.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 02/09/22 06:22 AM
Water never blew off at the ice caps

Not water as in gallons of liquid water being blown into space.
Water as in, water vapor.
Venus, even the Earth loses part of its atmosphere to space (and we are still protected by our magnetosphere).

Then you have the simple fact water ice, in abundance, has been detected in both the Jovian and Saturnian systems. There's a lot of it.

I do agree there are likely aquifers below the surface of Mars. However, we need mainly nitrogen to breate.

78 percent nitrogen, 21 percent oxygen, 0.9 percent argon, and 0.1 percent other gases. Trace amounts of carbon dioxide, methane, water vapor, and neon are some of the other gases that make up the remaining 0.1 percent.

Most of the life on Earth are not oxygen breathers, we are nitrogen breathers. Our blood needs O2, yes but the bulk of the gasses is nitrogen.

jaish's photo
Tue 03/01/22 11:01 PM
So what's the latest on Mars Insight that landed on 26 Nov. 2018?


In February 2021, at the start of the Martian winter, InSight's solar cells were producing 27% of capacity due to a thick covering of dust on the panels.

In May 2021, some generation capacity was restored by using the arm to position sand so it could blow onto the solar panels and scour them clean

Because InSight is powered by solar panels, it landed near the equator to enable maximum power for a projected lifetime of two years

In January 2022, InSight went into safe mode due to a regional dust storm in the area, which caused a reduction in sunlight.

It left safe mode on January 19, 2022 and resumed normal operations, however all science instruments were left off in the mean time - Wiki





jaish's photo
Wed 03/02/22 07:24 AM
Edited by jaish on Wed 03/02/22 08:23 AM
Seems I've lost touch.

NASA's Perseverance Rover landed in 2021 !!
With Ingenuity completing 20 flights!!

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