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mikaxel80
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Wed 08/12/20 01:58 AM
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When you dont speak the truth, you are exercising your right not to speak. If you are lying, you are speaking and tellling the opposite of truth. Thats how i see it
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If you are silent, people have no idea and will jump to their own conclusions.
They tend to think you have something to hide. Right or wrong, it is what it is. |
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I find it an odd statement. Not speaking is not the same as not telling the truth.
It's just not speaking. |
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If you are silent, people have no idea and will jump to their own conclusions. They tend to think you have something to hide. Right or wrong, it is what it is. Sure, it is what it is. But it shouldnt be like that. I agree.People think you have something to hide. What if, for example, you dont like the person you are talking to tell him/her the truth? |
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I find it an odd statement. Not speaking is not the same as not telling the truth. It's just not speaking. By that token, not speaking is not the same as not telling a lie |
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I find it an odd statement. Not speaking is not the same as not telling the truth. It's just not speaking. By that token, not speaking is not the same as not telling a lie No, you don't know that until someone speaks up. Since they're not telling (speaking) they aren't telling the truth nor a lie. In that sense it's pretty meaningless on it's own and you can't draw conclusions based on it. |
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Deception is intentional.
Likewise, not all subjects are pertinent to every discussion. Using wisdom and tact when choosing your words is not the same as lying. The depth and intensity of how you engage in conversation with someone is directly related to the intensity and depth of your connection with them. The depth of your connection with someone relates directly to the empathy you share with them. Accusations indicate a loss/absence of trust. Betrayal often leads to trust issues. A conversation heated by betrayal and loss of trust usually requires truthful dialog. It is expected one answers the points at hand. In these cases, silence can be damaging. This is because the accuser often inserts their own assumptions when no genuine answer is forthcoming. Its also important to remember people pick up on things that are not spoken. Body language and behavior sometimes speak louder than the words. We all 'sense' these unspoken cues because we are constantly exposed to them during our lifetimes. If you do speak, speak truthfully and your lying eyes will not betray you. When you remain silent your body language and behavior do the talking and not many of us are good at controlling that. When you dont speak the truth, you are exercising your right not to speak. If you are lying, you are speaking and tellling the opposite of truth. Thats how i see it
Rights are permissions granted by other people. The 5th Amendment has no power in personal relationships. Silence can further damage an already deteriorating relationship. Speaking and telling the opposite of truth is not always lying. Being ignorant of the truth does not necessarily make you a liar, just misinformed. Lying is the intent to deceive. Assumptions can often be ignorant of the truth. Delusions are often based on assumptions. There are many different versions of the truth and not all of them are lies. However, truth that is based on reality is not a lie. |
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I find it an odd statement. Not speaking is not the same as not telling the truth. It's just not speaking. By that token, not speaking is not the same as not telling a lie No, you don't know that until someone speaks up. Since they're not telling (speaking) they aren't telling the truth nor a lie. In that sense it's pretty meaningless on it's own and you can't draw conclusions based on it. My dear, I was trying to make a pint on what you said earlier. and i am not drawing conclusions. Its those who say not speaking is the same as lying |
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My mom got me with that one -called it lying by omission so I felt guilty and blabbed everything. I caught on, though. :p You have to weigh that against getting your butt kicked for snitching.
Ideally, telling and not telling should be based on the best possible good. "Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth." |
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When you dont speak the truth, you are exercising your right not to speak. If you are lying, you are speaking and tellling the opposite of truth. Thats how i see it  let me ask you a question .. if you are in a committed relationship . For whatever reason you cheat on your partner and do not tell them ... would you consider that a lie ????
Omission /not speaking can be considered a lie . Depends on contexts .. ethics and intention . Although we have the right to remain silent If by doing so results in harm or deception I would consider it a lie by omission . |
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When you dont speak the truth, you are exercising your right not to speak. If you are lying, you are speaking and tellling the opposite of truth. Thats how i see it let me ask you a question .. if you are in a committed relationship . For whatever reason you cheat on your partner and do not tell them ... would you consider that a lie ????
Omission /not speaking can be considered a lie . Depends on contexts .. ethics and intention . Although we have the right to remain silent If by doing so results in harm or deception I would consider it a lie by omission . Hi Blondey. 1st lemme answer your question.No I dont consider that as a lie since i havent spoken about it. Its more like withholding the truth. lying would be saying no I didnt cheat I partially agree with your second sentence. Surre depends on context. But shouldnt we be not drawn to contexts? |
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When you dont speak the truth, you are exercising your right not to speak. If you are lying, you are speaking and tellling the opposite of truth. Thats how i see it let me ask you a question .. if you are in a committed relationship . For whatever reason you cheat on your partner and do not tell them ... would you consider that a lie ????
Omission /not speaking can be considered a lie . Depends on contexts .. ethics and intention . Although we have the right to remain silent If by doing so results in harm or deception I would consider it a lie by omission . Hi Blondey. 1st lemme answer your question.No I dont consider that as a lie since i havent spoken about it. Its more like withholding the truth. lying would be saying no I didnt cheat I partially agree with your second sentence. Surre depends on context. But shouldnt we be not drawn to contexts? Mine is more liberal ., it includes intention and outcome . |
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Sorry but I think you all have went way too far with this although it is kind of entertaining.
You're making this more complicated than it needs to be............ |
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Why is not telling the truth automatically considered as lyi
It's not, to everyone. Depends a lot on a situation. I mean there are huge differences between: - I don't tell people I'm dating that I am still married and/or have kids for at least 6 months. If they find out and whine how I lied, it's their problem. I am not a liar, they never asked, and I only bring it up when I'm comfortable with it. - I put on my profile I'm looking for a long term relationship. I met a hot chick online whose profile also said they're looking for a long term. I've been banging her and treating her like a FWB. She keeps asking where it's going, and how I feel. I ignore those texts and conversations. I don't say anything. I don't want a long term relationship with her, I don't even really like her. But the sex is great. I'm not lying or leading her on though. Since I'm not saying anything at all about it, I'm not really lying to her. - When a random stranger on the bus asks me how I'm doin', I just nod and don't say anything. Just because I'm not ejaculating how I'm really feeling or doing then I'm not lying. They shouldn't think I'm lying to them about how I'm doing because I don't want to have a conversation with a stranger. Its those who say not speaking is the same as lying
It can be. Speaking a lie is manipulating/creating a false perception. Silence can be used to perpetuate/create/manipulate a false perception. Just as has been said countless times regarding online dating "no response is a response." Even silence communicates something. Communication is not just what comes out of your mouth. You can lie without ever saying a word. You ever see women on instagram? No I dont consider that as a lie since i havent spoken about it. Its more like withholding the truth. lying would be saying no I didnt cheat
By that logic you could put someone else's picture up on your profile and when people meet you in person and are like "who are you?" you can feel justified in telling them "hey! I never actually said that picture was of me so it's not a lie!" And maybe it can go so far as "well, you typed in your email that was your picture," and respond "typing isn't actually speaking! It didn't come out of my mouth! I never lied!" But shouldnt we be not drawn to contexts?
No. We should absolutely be drawn to contexts. If we weren't, the human race would probably be dead within moments. Do you not understand what "context" actually is? |
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When you dont speak the truth, you are exercising your right not to speak. If you are lying, you are speaking and tellling the opposite of truth. Thats how i see it let me ask you a question .. if you are in a committed relationship . For whatever reason you cheat on your partner and do not tell them ... would you consider that a lie ????
Omission /not speaking can be considered a lie . Depends on contexts .. ethics and intention . Although we have the right to remain silent If by doing so results in harm or deception I would consider it a lie by omission . Hi Blondey. 1st lemme answer your question.No I dont consider that as a lie since i havent spoken about it. Its more like withholding the truth. lying would be saying no I didnt cheat I partially agree with your second sentence. Surre depends on context. But shouldnt we be not drawn to contexts? Mine is more liberal ., it includes intention and outcome . This ^^^ |
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When you dont speak the truth, you are exercising your right not to speak. If you are lying, you are speaking and tellling the opposite of truth. Thats how i see it let me ask you a question .. if you are in a committed relationship . For whatever reason you cheat on your partner and do not tell them ... would you consider that a lie ????
Omission /not speaking can be considered a lie . Depends on contexts .. ethics and intention . Although we have the right to remain silent If by doing so results in harm or deception I would consider it a lie by omission . Hi Blondey. 1st lemme answer your question.No I dont consider that as a lie since i havent spoken about it. Its more like withholding the truth. lying would be saying no I didnt cheat I partially agree with your second sentence. Surre depends on context. But shouldnt we be not drawn to contexts? Mine is more liberal ., it includes intention and outcome . |
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Why is not telling the truth automatically considered as lyi
It's not, to everyone. Depends a lot on a situation. I mean there are huge differences between: - I don't tell people I'm dating that I am still married and/or have kids for at least 6 months. If they find out and whine how I lied, it's their problem. I am not a liar, they never asked, and I only bring it up when I'm comfortable with it. - I put on my profile I'm looking for a long term relationship. I met a hot chick online whose profile also said they're looking for a long term. I've been banging her and treating her like a FWB. She keeps asking where it's going, and how I feel. I ignore those texts and conversations. I don't say anything. I don't want a long term relationship with her, I don't even really like her. But the sex is great. I'm not lying or leading her on though. Since I'm not saying anything at all about it, I'm not really lying to her. - When a random stranger on the bus asks me how I'm doin', I just nod and don't say anything. Just because I'm not ejaculating how I'm really feeling or doing then I'm not lying. They shouldn't think I'm lying to them about how I'm doing because I don't want to have a conversation with a stranger. Its those who say not speaking is the same as lying
It can be. Speaking a lie is manipulating/creating a false perception. Silence can be used to perpetuate/create/manipulate a false perception. Just as has been said countless times regarding online dating "no response is a response." Even silence communicates something. Communication is not just what comes out of your mouth. You can lie without ever saying a word. You ever see women on instagram? No I dont consider that as a lie since i havent spoken about it. Its more like withholding the truth. lying would be saying no I didnt cheat
By that logic you could put someone else's picture up on your profile and when people meet you in person and are like "who are you?" you can feel justified in telling them "hey! I never actually said that picture was of me so it's not a lie!" And maybe it can go so far as "well, you typed in your email that was your picture," and respond "typing isn't actually speaking! It didn't come out of my mouth! I never lied!" But shouldnt we be not drawn to contexts?
No. We should absolutely be drawn to contexts. If we weren't, the human race would probably be dead within moments. Do you not understand what "context" actually is? [/quote Really?  |
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