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Topic: Projections....
scttrbrain's photo
Mon 12/17/07 10:40 PM
Hi Red.flowerforyou I miss you to dear.
Thank you for asking.

I would hope that I can read the who and the whats of who we really are in here. But, it does take a while for that to happen. Through reading and reading and reading posts. Our egos can seem to be so much bigger behind the screen than it would in one on one real life face to face meetings.

I can only hope that I am seen as a real person with faith that we are who we are and to be known as a good person with love for my fellow JSH'ers and surroundings. I know I am complex in my beliefs. Making me sound strange to others. That's okay with me. Makes me colorful.lol

Kat

scttrbrain's photo
Mon 12/17/07 10:46 PM

Hi Red.flowerforyou I miss you to dear.
Thank you for asking.

I would hope that I can read the who and the whats of who we really are in here. But, it does take a while for that to happen. Through reading and reading and reading posts. Our egos can seem to be so much bigger behind the screen than it would in one on one real life face to face meetings.

I can only hope that I am seen as a real person with faith that we are who we are and to be known as a good person with love for my fellow JSH'ers and surroundings. I know I am complex in my beliefs. Making me sound strange to others. That's okay with me. Makes me colorful.lol

Kat


OH!!! Delete that post. I think I read this wrong. Sorreeeeeeee.
Kat

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Tue 12/18/07 05:03 AM
Creativesoul, a name you chose well I must say.

In my reality you touch upon my soul with intellect, understanding, non judgment and genuine caring.You have walked a path that some have not and have seen things, learning them sometimes the hard way,but you take what you have learned and teach it with a gentleness and a patient understanding to those of us who are still learning.

Never, when reading your words, do I feel anger, I feel peace and serenity washing over me, and should I ever have a question or need clarification, you give so willingly.

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Tue 12/18/07 08:07 AM
'How does 'creative' land in my reality?'

While some may chuckle, I think it is quite revealing that when I first read 'creative', and without thinking of checking his 'profile', I sincerely addressed 'him' as a woman. Instinctively, I was certain I was dealing with 'Anima' energy, not 'Animus'.

That is fundamental in my perception of how 'creative' lands in my reality.

In my view, we all have a personnal mission with our 'self' throughout this life. A mission which essentially has to do, IMO, with the balancing act between our Anima and Animus: the 'woman' energy in men, and the 'man' energy in women.

When conscious of this mission, some tackle it as a life project, and some among those, succeed better than others at this subtle and 'mission impossible' sort of 'connecting act'.

From my vantage point, 'creative' has wrestled many common demons over the years, and has achieved a 'release' of that which is pure and spirited, which flowing through him.

Release in the sense of 'keeping the ego in check', such that it is not in the way of 'spirit'. Keeping his ego in check by rigourously managing, from what I can gather, the constitution and handling of HIS WORD, consistent with his actions.

Sounds simple?!?!? I dare anyone to try it on for 24 hours!!!

I thought I was reading and writing to a woman in the course of my first encounter with 'creative'.

I now know I am dealing with an 'energy balanced' human being, whom deals with his word authentically, and allows for the same honor and diginity when it comes to the word of others.

Not definitive in any way shape or form, but definitely how 'creative' lands in my reality!

:)

Dragoness's photo
Tue 12/18/07 08:19 AM
Creativesoul, I too, see the intelligence and caring for others souls in your posts. I always learn something or see something I may have missed. You would be or are an excellent teacher. I have to say I have been awed by you at times. Not easily done for me. I also see a deepness that surpasses this medium as I see in Wench. I also feel you attempt to stay upbeat when faced with any downer material. A skill I covet...lolflowerforyou


Jess642's photo
Tue 12/18/07 11:02 AM
Michael.....the questioner...the ponderer...the reflective spirit.

The questioner, a man who questions himself, who sees himself in another's words, who hears that which is his message. Humble, and gentle, with questions asked, so that he may better understand the other....whilst learning more about himself.

The ponderer...not quick to judge, always giving the space for a person to show themselves, especially when communication may be going awry. Then respectfully pondering the other person, before offering any thoughts and ideas.

The reflective spirit.....Michael does the work, he corrects his less than authentic pieces of himself, he takes the time, to learn that which is him, and discards that, which does not resonate as him.

The quiet achiever....the voice of calm introspection.

Sometimes the 'voice of reason', when the children are tearing around the threads, throwing things at each other....no chastising, ever, but more a gentle smile and a reassuring wink.

The supporter....compassionate and empathic...yet balanced and calm.

That is how Michael lands in my reality.....the brother, the friend, the family...another piece of the all.:heart:

Differentkindofwench's photo
Tue 12/18/07 11:14 AM
Ohhh, sigh, y'all are so very much more eloquent than I. Creative, I already did my round before Zeus imposed the final rules :tongue: Parables laugh laugh laugh yes, I admit it, I truly should head for the naughty chair for that one. You were accused of that in another thread and I acutely remember my reaction to it. It was "HUhhhhh, when did he do that and I understood a parable, must have been a really simple one cause I nevvvver understand the ones in the bible unless they're in your face obvious". So I went back through the thread, it was a very long thread, but I doggedly persisted and low and behold, one post possibly could be construed by a very long stretch of the imagination as a parable. The frustration must have been mine, didn't mean to project on ya, sorry bout that. flowerforyou

creativesoul's photo
Tue 12/18/07 02:21 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Tue 12/18/07 02:38 PM
I suppose it is now my turn to respond... :wink:

Thank you all and know that I value and appreciate each of you for you. flowerforyou


yzrabbit:

Peacekeeping absolutely facilitates a more comprehensive understanding... in so many ways, and is founded by my belief to take nothing personally... In addition, I have no enemies that I am aware of... Do everything out of love... THAT is very difficult at times, as we all know... and yes, I AM a man and right-handed... laugh Ukelele though, IS quite stretchy... :wink:


James:

I have to kind of chuckle a little myself at your remark of me possibly being the only genuine philosopher here... I say this because I have yet to open the first philosophy book in 'real life', and have only briefly read through a little psychology while online, as of late. I am convinced that there is a way to 'tie it all together'... Nevertheless, your words honor me, and I truly appreciate it. As I have said to you often, we have much in common. flowerforyou


Jess:

Ah, Lee... There are times in life when preparation meets opportunity as a result of favorable circumstances... others call it 'luck'... I am quite 'lucky' to have come across such a person... touching me within with an uncommon regularity, I believe we are cut from much the same cloth. Your integrity is humbling, and it is often I who stand in awe of you... family, indeed... flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou



CCP:

You honor my intention with your words... encouraging it is to know that there are peaceful fruits coming from my spirit... know that this lives within you, and it is affirmed by what you see in me... flowerforyou



Voile:

It is quite a treat to have come across a man such as yourself. You are very accurate in your description of that facet of my person. I do, in fact, make a conscious effort to speak what I live, and live what I speak. While my person has grown considerably as an adult, it has not always been easy as a result of the need to shed so much of what had been accepted. Therefore, not only has it been a change of heart and belief, but also a change of habit as a result... all in search of an authentic self... a self-acceptance... which is becoming more and more realized... and balance is pivotal... flowerforyou



Dragoness:

If you sense deepness it is because you know deepness... I do have a tendency to live outside the box... I simply do not fit within it. My friend, if you can take nothing personally, you soon begin to realize the source of that which offends lies within the acceptances of the offender. flowerforyou



DKOW:

No naughty chair for you young-un... :wink: I do leave much interpretation up to the reader. Often I speak ambiguously as a result of the need for clarity... if that makes any sense!
It is ok... I have in fact been a little frustrated at times, we all are... yes? It just allows me the ability to address that which is still alive within me that got offended. Your humour is valued. :smile:



Voile... Zeus... :wink:

We may need to go from me to Artsy, as a result of this next part which concerns her, and at the same time my thoughts on how she lands in my reality are also posted... they go hand in hand... hope this is ok with you and everyone else... flowerforyou



Artsy:

Your response, just as I would suspect, comes from where we both live... within our heart... which is shared... Long before we knew each other in this life, as we do now, I posted the following words in a thread which asked what I was looking for in a partner...

Someone that feels my words...and hears my touch
Knows who I am...
Understands the heart within...adds and reflects
Cherishes our growth...knows to trust
One who can and will love as I
One who brings me up...should I be down
Simple in love...complex in thought
Effortless laughter...natural love
One who loves my sight...and I hers
A mirror with what has been missing
The perfect "differences"
Purity in intention...shameless in love
Courage to explore...contentment to absorb
A smile that reflects the heart...
And eyes which see the truth
One who can share love by a glance
Who can feel at ease within me
One who I have known for so long
Familiar heart and easy in life


These words also confirm exactly who we are...


"A soulmate is someone who has the locks to fit our keys, and the keys to fit our locks. When we feel safe enough to open the locks, our truest selves step out and we can be completely and honestly who we are; we can be loved for who we are and for who we're pretending to be. Each of us unveils the best part of one another. No matter what else goes wrong around us, with that one person were safe in our paradise. Our soulmate is someone who shares our deepest longings, our sense of direction. When we're two balloons, and together our direction is up, chances are we've found the right person. Our soulmate is the one who makes life come to life. "

You are all of this, my best friend, and
more... :heart: :heart: :heart:





feralcatlady's photo
Tue 12/18/07 04:28 PM
Im pretty much an open book ask and I will tell ya.....Don't want the truth don't ask me. I am the same here as anywhere else myself might go. I love to meet and learn about people.....their beliefs, the strengths, the weaknesses, I am very much a people watching kind of gal. If I believe in something strongly I will speak strongly....If I don't understand what someone is saying...I will ask them to make it more clear... Above all I think that while on earth all should be here to learn....not to merely exsist......my motto.

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 12/18/07 05:15 PM
Hey, I didn't get to share my point of reference about CreativeSoul! Sorry Creative, I think I got going on some other threads and didn't get back here soon enough.

I think what others have written is very kind, and heartfelt and through their words I can see why they have posted the way they have. I must believe that my comfort level with you has a lot to do with what has already been said. The truth is, however, you are one of those with whom I remain open. That means, for me, that you have not touched me in a way to warrent caution, but you have not touched in a way I understand, yet. This is a good thing, actually because each encounter with you, is always an open one for me (no bias, or predetermination).

What you have touched in that part of me that I am still analizing is personal, meaning that I can not fully analyse it until or unless I get to know more about YOU, what has made you who you are today.

What you touched in me was confusion, sorrow, bravery. But unless I understand why those chords have been hit, I can not say more about how I feel about you other than to say, in all your posts, I have found nothing to close me to you.

While I think I understand what others have said about how you project to them, I simply have not been able to equate those things with what you have touched in me.

Sometimes a primal chord evokes a single emotion, but that emotion requires that I understand why it was touched, in order to understand how I do or don't connect with a person.

So with you I remain open, and if we were, new friends, who met often and had face to face conversations, I would most interested in getting to know you better, becasue you keep me open.
flowerforyou



creativesoul's photo
Tue 12/18/07 07:21 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Tue 12/18/07 07:22 PM
Redy,

Thank you for that descriptive response, I can completely understand where you are coming from. I, myself, measure my own inner emotions much the same way as what you have described. Based on the context of your post, I would have to walk away pleased... If you are like me, and I believe that in at least one way we are very much alike. Correct me if this assumption is unsubstantiated, but I am quite easy to talk to, yet fiercely private at the same time. I must be absolutely comfortable within, in regards to another, prior to allowing them to get to "know" me... it is in this way that I can appreciate the similarities that I believe there are between us, and it is respected.flowerforyou

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 12/18/07 07:47 PM
Ah! I am quite pleased with your responce to my posting, Creative. One of the most difficult things I ever had to learn was how to 'compliment' people when I value them in different ways. A compliment is easy when I feel (vanity) from a person. It's when I don't feel vanity, that I find compliments difficult.

I was indeed offering a very high compliment (on my scale). That you could see that brings me higher on the comfort meter, with you.

But what has pleased me the most, is that you were able to take my comments and make quite an equitable comparison between us.

Correct me if this assumption is unsubstantiated, but I am quite easy to talk to, yet fiercely private at the same time. I must be absolutely comfortable within, in regards to another, prior to allowing them to get to "know" me...


I literally, have very strong friendships that have developed thoughout most of my life. Some I have know since our births. But none knows 'the all of me'. I have many reasons for that, but you said something in another post that stuck with me, and it relates well here. It is with regards to that person you identify as 'soulmate'. One day, there will be a person in my life who will not be restrained from the all of me. But ME, all of me,will be the gift I give to that person. If that person is not found, I will have shared some of the best parts of me, with some of the greatest friends any person could want.

The comparison you have made, connects the 'chords'. The confusion was mine, as I have had to learned to understand myself, the sorrow is mine, that I have not yet found the one to give my gift to, the bravery is also mine, for having to overcome the confustion, for not letting the sorrow envelop me - but YOU touched them, because I saw them all in you too.

THANK-YOU!:smile: :smile:

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Tue 12/18/07 07:47 PM

WOW!

This 'how's the landing' thread is the virtual equivalent of an ocean crossing on a sailboat, with a dozen friends aboard!!!

Makes for quite a 'trip'!!!

Great job 'landers'!!! And thanks for the hearfelt replies 'creative'!

And of course after that 'love swept' exit of a post of yours, and after checking with 'Zeus', it is clear ArtGurl is next in line! The only question which remains, ...

... WILL SHE SAY YES!!!

:)





ArtGurl's photo
Wed 12/19/07 02:26 AM
I await my landing Zeus! :wink:

Redykeulous's photo
Wed 12/19/07 08:49 AM
Ok, I don't want to get behind, so I'll go first.

Artgurl - give her a huge square box and tell her she has to make it her home and she will cut away the corners to make windows and make it the envey of every homeowner in the neighborhood. From what I've seen her battles are mostly internal, but years of winning over the self inside have eminated in an external comfort and a sence of peace with it.

These kind of people can be irritating to me - because that kind of perfect peace defeats the upward climb that requires confrontation, whether with science or with peoples reasoning.
:wink:

While I see something that is wrong and I am torn apart trying to right it, a person such as AG simply states her piece of mind and would just as soon leave those who will not move forward, to thier space behind her. I feel, somehow, the need to make 'the whole' move on together.

We always seem to admire what we are not. I deeply admire AG and have often wondered what peace like hers might feel like, but it's not in me. Instead she projects, for me, the balance. She is the teeter to my todder or the brake to my gas pedal. She is, in her calm and her peace the better force of what drive people like me. "The wind beneath my wings"

I'm sure we could find disagreement, but she would NOT leave ME behind - for I would follow her, my wings caught in the updraft of her continued walking on, and me struggling all the while to gather the rest of 'the whole' as we go.

Some leaders don't have to lead, they just have to enjoy the company the following provides.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/19/07 08:56 AM
Artgirl, how she lands in my reality, hmmmmmmm, well I have not seen too many of her posts but the few I have seen show straighforward and honest. I believe since I have not seen her in too many posts that are controversial or heated that she chooses to avoid the confrontation or ugliness of others. She seems very sweet and considerate. I am hoping to know her better here in the forumsflowerforyou

creationsfire's photo
Wed 12/19/07 08:57 AM
Edited by creationsfire on Wed 12/19/07 09:02 AM

Nobody has ever seen the real me on here. I show it all the time but it goes ignored all the time. I reach out for help and all i get a slap in the face. Its why I don't post much anymore.


I've listened to you Allen, and reached out too. You're a great guy and I alwyas read your posts and respond when appropriate. Oh well, at least I thought so.....remember the nekid modle lady?happy

j/k folks......it's just a funny from other threads mean't to make Allen giggle.

creativesoul's photo
Wed 12/19/07 09:00 AM
How does Artsy land in my reality?

Of course it is all quite up close and personal now, however, it has not always been that way... the following words were written BEFORE I 'knew' her as I do now... about one week after 'meeting' here... online.


A peaceful soul indeed...this one will lend an ear and add understanding. Her texture is of the softest linens as she manipulates the threads of life into the fabric of love...

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Wed 12/19/07 09:01 AM

'How does 'ArtGurl' land in my reality?'

If I sense at the gut level, that the human female/male dynamics is in the midst of 'fusing' from within;

a sense that the 'macho', patriarchal, overbearing, fear-based, 'offense-defense' male dominated agenda of the human race has entered its declining stages;

a sense that an unsuspecting new phase of humanity, a
seamless fusion of female/male energy and spirit, is in its embryonary, emerging thrust;

a sense that 'woman soul' has always been 'there', and that 'male soul' might be slowly be emerging, maybe! 'freed-up' from the 'male' babaric, primitive and ego-centric forced way of being.

a conviction that male Animus fusing with female Anima at the individual level, is very slowly (but surely) displacing the male 'ego-centric', and self-conscious exclusive view of being human, and bringing it all home to 'whole'.

A conviction that would be 'lunacy', or gross 'utopia' were it not for the 'ArtGurl's appearing on our paths as unmistakable 'beacons' of 'home-whole'.

Of course, the picture of 'ArtGurl', gracefully riding through the most heated threads, on her magical 'unicycle', as a goddess of 'light and wisdom', is what clinched it for me.

Thanks Artgurl!!!

Not definitive in any way shape or form, but definitely how 'creative' lands in my reality!

:)


Britty's photo
Wed 12/19/07 09:06 AM
Voile,

May I be fashionably late,
or will posting now seal my fate?

Of course, should I incur the wrath of Zeus,
could I request snowballs instead of thunderbolts,
much more fun wouldn't you say. :smile:


Creative:
Well, the Eagle has not quite landed in my reality,
but to this point I see a fine blend of an alpha/beta male,
one who is not afraid to look within the depths of his innermost
being, gentle and honest, persistent in seeking the truth.
Simply stated, my image of him is one of a bubbling stream in
an otherwise dry world.
flowerforyou


Enjoying reading this thought provoking and fun thread

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