well atleast you admitted that you can't give a rational explanation ...

say hello to ur cousin seamus
uh uh uh uh!!!

hey what you doing on a dating site...I thought imbreds like you find their dates at their family reunions

ok you two.......time out for 15 minutes.....

15 minutes? ...ahhh just enough time to give you a spanky spanky ...so come here my little feralcat

If the creator of all things created everything then he had to create himself too...Hmmm! Rationally that is what you are asking right? It seems what you are trying to say also is... that it is just too far fetched to conceive that the creator always existed, and it is just too far out of comprehension to imagine that logically or rationally as a possibility of being the truth because it can't be proven yet. That is why it can't really be answered to your satisfaction. You are asking for concrete proof as opposed to a rational explanation. Well I personally think that The Creator always existed and that he did create all things but not himself because that thought also is irrational as well as illogical to me yet it is possible. You would have to continue that theory on and on and on infinitely. The human flesh mind can not truly conceive infinity very well in reality period. Hence there is the theory that we all just evolved.

I do know that no one can give a concrete rational or logical explanation to an unknown phenomenon, so I can only conclude that expecting someone to be able to do such a thing is irrational and illogical in itself and not worth arguing over. It will just be an infinite debate with no conclusion. If you can just open up your mind and accept that in this world there just isn't a rational concrete explanation for all things then you are much better off.

We do know that the universe exists regardless of how it came to be. We also know many people believe in God regardless of whether he is real or just an answer to unknown questions. It is also wrong to use a debate as a means to ridicule others for their beliefs or non beliefs, yet at the same time everyone draws a line somewhere to stand up for what they think is right, true or correct. To me it is just the way people are, otherwise they would just be easily swayed and not have a mind of their own to be able to draw their own conclusions about anything.

I am just curious as to what motivated you to accuse just the religious people though of closing their minds to this question in the first place. I see many have attempted to try and answer it but you keep on drawing the conclusion that most are just delusional because their answers are not a concrete irrefutable proven fact. I personally think you will be able to ask God himself that question someday. I also think unfortunately you take pleasure in arguing and ridiculing other people for what they choose to believe. Some others do the same thing by attacking you. I find that truly sad. Most people try to get along with others even if they don't believe in the same things. I also feel that this question or any answer to it isn't going to satisfy you in this forum.

I can however understand contemplating this question and the answer as well because part of it is a valid question rationally and logically. I also know that at this time it is one question that no one on earth could answer factually with any concrete proof regardless of their religion or lack of religion. This is a question that as of yet can only be answered with a belief, an opinion or theory. It can't possibly be answered with any concrete proof yet... so I guess you win and are correct if that is your ultimate goal here. You also can't seem to accept the probability though of the most probable, reasonable answers either nor are you able to prove them wrong...so I guess you win again in your prejudice way of portraying this challenge to religious people specifically.

Furthermore realizing that no one can give a concrete explanation would be better words to use instead of simply a rational explanation. Rational does not necessarily mean the same thing as the concrete proof like you are expecting. Maybe you should recheck the definition of rational. A theory can also be rational. Also it would be better addressed to everyone not just to religious people in order to seem like a more valid question as opposed to a personal statement or an attack. To me accepting the belief or theory is more rational than trying to drive yourself and others crazy with a question/statement that has no concrete explanation.

I'm not trying to be rude to you personally but just maybe you are being the one with the closed mind here. If you can prove a rational, concrete fact that God doesn't exist and he didn't create anything then by all means do it. I will be open minded enough to hear you out possibly unless I become totally disinterested in this debate altogether. Until then I hope you will find better ways to entertain yourself. Attacking others is not my idea of fun and I hope it isn't your idea of it either although that is how it seems. I also hope you find a way to accept some theories as being rational because otherwise you will be on this topic forever.

your shameful......Mr. Funches....lol

infinity isn't hard to conceive in fact it's simple ...a mayfly has a life span of two week so three weeks would be an infinity to a mayfly but not to a feralcat .....infinity cease to exist once you reach the end of it

actually if you reach the end of it it was never infinity to begin with.

I like how you ignore the meaning of words. You are so silly.

without definite proof religion will always remain the constant debate ...so why bother ....

Well I thought infinity had no end and to me it's hard to conceive it when it is used in the context of an infinite creator which was what I was talking about. So to be politically correct insert that it is hard for me Cassandra to see that fact especially pertaining to an infinite creator as opposed to the human flesh mind not being able to truly conceive that. I was not using it in reference to an insects lifespan. I noticed you didn't comment on the gist of what I was trying to convey to you. I noticed how good you are at changing the subject while commenting on something irrelevant while still remaining somewhat inside of the subject. I am impressed. You would make a very good lawyer.

Touche!

It's really not a brain teaser.......Stop thinking so much and it will come....

that's the point

and I notice how you limit yourself to not think beyond words and in doing so develope the mentality of a crossword puzzle ..controlled and letting others structure you how to think .....what to think

hey you never know..someone may accidently give a rational answer ...

I am not trying to be a smart aleck here. I was hoping to express to him that he can't prove or disprove the creator nor can anyone else at this point in time. I also wanted to tell him it is wrong to be so prejudice against religious people, and let him know that no one can present him with any concrete facts about this particular subject. I also wanted to congratulate him on his ability to point out irrelevant things in the total text to comment on, which enables him to avoid the text as a whole. He would make a good lawyer. I think he is smart enough to realize this futile thread was just a way to accomplish his true intent of bashing religious people. That again is my personal feeling about it. He really refuses to accept any answers to his question. If in fact it was a valid question. The answer as most rational people would see it is that it is a question which no one can answer with concrete proof either way. If y'all want to continue on with this ridiculous form of prejudice go right ahead. I guess it gives you something to do. Enjoy! I'm going to find something better to do with my time for now. I hope you figure it out. Good luck...

Oh i can think beyond words. I just don't ignore the meaning of them to make a point.

not true Cassandra I would never ignore you, I just notice that your post was more of a rant against me and a religious sermon to me as to why I had the umitigated gall to ask the Original Question but you also emphasized on "infinity" so to explain infinity was the proper way I choose to respond to your post to lessen the chance of friction between the two of us ...also no one call tell you that infinity exist unless they have reach the end of it...so infinity is like time both are used to measure possible reality and once the reality in question has been measure only shows that both time and infinity has an end