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Topic: "to believe is to doubt"
Jess642's photo
Sat 12/15/07 08:44 AM
I do constantly Funches, I am asking for your definitions.



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Sat 12/15/07 08:45 AM


laugh laugh laugh laugh


Hey s1ow, how did your tongue get so long?

laugh :wink:


EVoultion, we have found out a need for a longer tounge =) and its used to Satisfy, im an outdate human however =(


you're not outdated Kalamazooguy...you're the updated "New Age" version of a Christian

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Sat 12/15/07 08:49 AM

I do constantly Funches, I am asking for your definitions.


Logic and debate class 101 ..when someone ask for definitions you have them by the balls

Jess you are acting like the typical "Christian in denial" ..the solution to the question is not comlicated ...can you prove to yourself that you don't exist ..yes or no

Jess642's photo
Sat 12/15/07 08:56 AM
noway Acting like 'A Christian in denial'?

Omg, do you have me in the wrong box, buddy.


You make me laugh so...


I am defined by my imaginings, my perspectives, my parameters, of myself, and my place within , and on this earth.


Am I existing?

I eat, I sleep, I sh*t...I live, I laugh, I love.

I dance, I draw, I exist.

In my imaginings I exist.

Do I believe, or do I know?

In my 'knowing', I believe I exist in your dreaming.


I don't see the world through a god book law, I don't see through a concrete lens, I don't see through a narrow filter.

I see kaleidoscope, I see beyond, within, and without... I see without your debating desires to criticise, condemn, and conclude.

There is no conclusion, when this is just a moment, in a fragment, of a dream.

Jess642's photo
Sat 12/15/07 09:14 AM
Did you implode Funches?


yawn Thankyou, mission accomplished.yawn :wink: laugh

May see you on the flipside!glasses

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Sat 12/15/07 09:23 AM

noway Acting like 'A Christian in denial'?

Omg, do you have me in the wrong box, buddy.


You make me laugh so...


I am defined by my imaginings, my perspectives, my parameters, of myself, and my place within , and on this earth.


Am I existing?

I eat, I sleep, I sh*t...I live, I laugh, I love.

I dance, I draw, I exist.

In my imaginings I exist.

Do I believe, or do I know?

In my 'knowing', I believe I exist in your dreaming.


I don't see the world through a god book law, I don't see through a concrete lens, I don't see through a narrow filter.

I see kaleidoscope, I see beyond, within, and without... I see without your debating desires to criticise, condemn, and conclude.

There is no conclusion, when this is just a moment, in a fragment, of a dream.


the only existence anyone can ever prove is the existence of yourself to yourself and no one else because everything else may be a delusion...by you making excuses that you may be the result of someone's elses imagination shows the "who" of you ..and that is a christian believer in denial..because a christian can only claim to "believe" in God but you can't claim you "know" so therefore as a christian in denial you must do the same with your own existence

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sat 12/15/07 09:58 AM
Faith goes far deeper than knowning or believing.

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Sat 12/15/07 10:15 AM

Faith goes far deeper than knowning or believing.


why would you need faith if you "know" ..faith is required when you "don't know"

feralcatlady's photo
Sat 12/15/07 01:47 PM
I know what I know.......

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 12/15/07 02:07 PM




Both


then feisty wench if means then you have doubts that you exist

Based on your perception of meaning, perhaps. Based on the definitions of the chosen words, you are incorrect.


and based on your words you are no even sure if you exist or not
Not so, as that statement was made by you based on your belief. Oh my, would it be more appropriate to say doubt since it is your perception making that particular determination?

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Sat 12/15/07 02:18 PM

I know what I know.......


without sufficient evidence beyond the mind and/or faith you can only "believe" you know

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Sat 12/15/07 02:22 PM





Both


then feisty wench if means then you have doubts that you exist

Based on your perception of meaning, perhaps. Based on the definitions of the chosen words, you are incorrect.


and based on your words you are no even sure if you exist or not
Not so, as that statement was made by you based on your belief. Oh my, would it be more appropriate to say doubt since it is your perception making that particular determination?


you either "believe" you exist or you "know" you exist.. it has nothing to do with any supposed beliefs of mines...but your unwillingness to answer the question does address your unwillingness to think beyond your beliefs

feralcatlady's photo
Sat 12/15/07 02:32 PM


I know what I know.......


without sufficient evidence beyond the mind and/or faith you can only "believe" you know


you are wrong......you can also know what you know....and know one can tell you or even think they have a clue what you know....You know....giggle....heart ya funches

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 12/15/07 02:48 PM
Actually, you are incorrect due to the "accepted" definitions (i.e. those found in a dictionary GASP!) of the words, "belief and know" versus your synonymous point of view of the definitions of the two words belief and doubt. Myyyyyy "unwillingness" to answer a direct question? laugh laugh laugh Hell-O, pot to kettle, oh do come in kettle. (Seems to be an abundance of that in threads lately). This must be a reflection of your own unwillingness to do that of which you accuse so many.

Jess642's photo
Sat 12/15/07 02:48 PM


noway Acting like 'A Christian in denial'?

Omg, do you have me in the wrong box, buddy.


You make me laugh so...


I am defined by my imaginings, my perspectives, my parameters, of myself, and my place within , and on this earth.


Am I existing?

I eat, I sleep, I sh*t...I live, I laugh, I love.

I dance, I draw, I exist.

In my imaginings I exist.

Do I believe, or do I know?

In my 'knowing', I believe I exist in your dreaming.


I don't see the world through a god book law, I don't see through a concrete lens, I don't see through a narrow filter.

I see kaleidoscope, I see beyond, within, and without... I see without your debating desires to criticise, condemn, and conclude.

There is no conclusion, when this is just a moment, in a fragment, of a dream.


the only existence anyone can ever prove is the existence of yourself to yourself and no one else because everything else may be a delusion...by you making excuses that you may be the result of someone's elses imagination shows the "who" of you ..and that is a christian believer in denial..because a christian can only claim to "believe" in God but you can't claim you "know" so therefore as a christian in denial you must do the same with your own existence


Funches, I know the 'who' of me.... I see it reflected in every face I see, every action of another, every word across a page...

Some I pick up, examine, and discard, as it is not an authentic of me.

You have one line drawn, on one side, 'delusional Christians and christians in denial', in any capacity, only one box.

On the other you have you.....and only you.


No wonder you ask so many questions, you have separated yourself, isolated yourself, and allowed yourself to disconnect from the all.


Please step across that line.... please allow yourself to be, amongst us, please don't hold yourself separate, that is when one feels lonely.


You are interesting, and although you come here to 'debate' 101, there is a much stronger community here, of all understandings in their faiths, beliefs, whatnots...

And we have welcomed you, to become....not to stand there alone.

I don't like to think of you all alone, having to judge us, and decide that we are not worthy..... that's a cold and lonely place to stand.

Come and join us in the sunshine, please?

Show the real you, the 52 year old man... behind the pretend picture, please?

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 12/15/07 02:49 PM
Thanks for the youtube address, Invisible.

Slow, was that Elliott Gould talking to Bob?

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Sat 12/15/07 03:09 PM



I know what I know.......


without sufficient evidence beyond the mind and/or faith you can only "believe" you know


you are wrong......you can also know what you know....and know one can tell you or even think they have a clue what you know....You know....giggle....heart ya funches


but feralcatlady my angelic friend.. all you "know" is what you "believe"

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Sat 12/15/07 03:17 PM

Actually, you are incorrect due to the "accepted" definitions (i.e. those found in a dictionary GASP!) of the words, "belief and know" versus your synonymous point of view of the definitions of the two words belief and doubt. Myyyyyy "unwillingness" to answer a direct question? laugh laugh laugh Hell-O, pot to kettle, oh do come in kettle. (Seems to be an abundance of that in threads lately). This must be a reflection of your own unwillingness to do that of which you accuse so many.


sorry feisty wench but you yourself started a thread called "ask funches" and I came in that thread and agreed to answer all questions within reasons ..but you guys avoid answering questions like the plague and try to spin doctor around them like lawyers in an attempt to hide ...er..how did Jess said it... the true "who"

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Sat 12/15/07 03:23 PM
Edited by funches on Sat 12/15/07 03:23 PM



noway Acting like 'A Christian in denial'?

Omg, do you have me in the wrong box, buddy.


You make me laugh so...


I am defined by my imaginings, my perspectives, my parameters, of myself, and my place within , and on this earth.


Am I existing?

I eat, I sleep, I sh*t...I live, I laugh, I love.

I dance, I draw, I exist.

In my imaginings I exist.

Do I believe, or do I know?

In my 'knowing', I believe I exist in your dreaming.


I don't see the world through a god book law, I don't see through a concrete lens, I don't see through a narrow filter.

I see kaleidoscope, I see beyond, within, and without... I see without your debating desires to criticise, condemn, and conclude.

There is no conclusion, when this is just a moment, in a fragment, of a dream.


the only existence anyone can ever prove is the existence of yourself to yourself and no one else because everything else may be a delusion...by you making excuses that you may be the result of someone's elses imagination shows the "who" of you ..and that is a christian believer in denial..because a christian can only claim to "believe" in God but you can't claim you "know" so therefore as a christian in denial you must do the same with your own existence


Funches, I know the 'who' of me.... I see it reflected in every face I see, every action of another, every word across a page...

Some I pick up, examine, and discard, as it is not an authentic of me.

You have one line drawn, on one side, 'delusional Christians and christians in denial', in any capacity, only one box.

On the other you have you.....and only you.


No wonder you ask so many questions, you have separated yourself, isolated yourself, and allowed yourself to disconnect from the all.


Please step across that line.... please allow yourself to be, amongst us, please don't hold yourself separate, that is when one feels lonely.


You are interesting, and although you come here to 'debate' 101, there is a much stronger community here, of all understandings in their faiths, beliefs, whatnots...

And we have welcomed you, to become....not to stand there alone.

I don't like to think of you all alone, having to judge us, and decide that we are not worthy..... that's a cold and lonely place to stand.

Come and join us in the sunshine, please?

Show the real you, the 52 year old man... behind the pretend picture, please?


sounds delusional to me

Differentkindofwench's photo
Sat 12/15/07 03:30 PM
Yup, I well remember that thread. So what are you saying any time I have a direct question for you, you'd prefer I pull up that thread and place it there?

Okay, I'll quit screwing around here, what did I not directly answer?

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