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Edited by
Aldtrao
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Mon 11/23/20 02:38 PM
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I think that you'll find that the answer to the apparent variations in position of sunrise and sunset through the year is axial tilt. This is the difference between the Earth's orbital plane, which remains constant, and it's Equatorial plane which "wobbles" by approximately 23 degrees from the perpendicular during the year. This phenomena is responsible for the fact that we have seasons at all. During what we call summer in the Northern hemisphere, the north pole leans towards the sun by a maximum of approximately 23 degrees mentioned earlier and is what we call mid-summer. During what we call winter in the Northern hemisphere, the North pole leans away from the sun by this same amount at maximum (mid-winter) and obviously is the reason why the seasons are opposite in the Southern and Northern hemispheres. As the northern hemisphere is tilted towards the sun in summer, the southern hemisphere is tilted away from the sun and experiences colder temperatures which we call winter and vice versa. I hope that my explanation is clear enough but if not, just look up "Axial tilt". Yeah, I know about axial tilt. I guess I should have been more specific and mentioned the tropics. What I’m saying is, the sun should never rise or set north of the Tropic of Cancer. I am north of the Tropic of Cancer and almost all year long, the sun rises and sets slightly north of me. A good way to check it out (which is the way I first observed this) is find a long road that you know is supposed to run due east and west, such as parts of I-90, and be there and dawn and or dusk, and see whether the sun rises/sets to the north or south of the road. If you live north of the Tropic of Cancer, the sun is supposed to appear to rise to the south of east. |
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Edited by
Looking4honey
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Tue 11/24/20 12:18 AM
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The Michelson Morley experiment was designed to test the then still popular theory of the Luminiferous Ether, a substance thought to fill the universe and responsible for the transmission of light etc. They reasoned that any such substance must act in a similar fashion to water, causing retardation of objects at certain angels. Their experiment (repeated several times with more sensitive equipment) failed to find this effect thus disproving the theory. It did not 'prove' that the earth was stationary as you claim. @Seamus The Michelson Morley experiment set out to test the motion of the earth through the aether, the existence of aether was never in question. It wasn't until more than two decades later that Einstien tried to claim there was no aether in 1907 with his theory of relativity in an attempt refute the null result. In 1913 Georges Sagnac conducted an experiment that proved the existence of a static aether and falsified the relativity theory. The argument was made that the Sagnac experiment didn't account for rotating frames of reference thus was inconclusive. Finally in 1942 at the University of Paris Dufour & Prunier replicated the Sagnac experiment while accounting for rotating frames of reference thus, conclusively falsifying the theory of relativity. The M&M experiment was successfully replicated by E.W. Silvertooth/USAF in 1986 and M&M's finding that the earth is motionless stands and is conclusive. |
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I'm not familiar with this particular experiment, so I'll get back to you when I am.
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Edited by
Seamus
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Wed 11/25/20 04:09 AM
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I think that you'll find that the answer to the apparent variations in position of sunrise and sunset through the year is axial tilt. This is the difference between the Earth's orbital plane, which remains constant, and it's Equatorial plane which "wobbles" by approximately 23 degrees from the perpendicular during the year. This phenomena is responsible for the fact that we have seasons at all. During what we call summer in the Northern hemisphere, the north pole leans towards the sun by a maximum of approximately 23 degrees mentioned earlier and is what we call mid-summer. During what we call winter in the Northern hemisphere, the North pole leans away from the sun by this same amount at maximum (mid-winter) and obviously is the reason why the seasons are opposite in the Southern and Northern hemispheres. As the northern hemisphere is tilted towards the sun in summer, the southern hemisphere is tilted away from the sun and experiences colder temperatures which we call winter and vice versa. I hope that my explanation is clear enough but if not, just look up "Axial tilt". Yeah, I know about axial tilt. I guess I should have been more specific and mentioned the tropics. What I’m saying is, the sun should never rise or set north of the Tropic of Cancer. I am north of the Tropic of Cancer and almost all year long, the sun rises and sets slightly north of me. A good way to check it out (which is the way I first observed this) is find a long road that you know is supposed to run due east and west, such as parts of I-90, and be there and dawn and or dusk, and see whether the sun rises/sets to the north or south of the road. If you live north of the Tropic of Cancer, the sun is supposed to appear to rise to the south of east. I know exactly what you mean. I live approximately 53 degrees latitude North on a raised terrace on the West side of a narrow North-South valley. The East of the valley has only farms and moorland on the top, so I get an mostly uninterrupted view of the Sunrise throughout the year. The Sun will only rise exactly due East on the day of the Spring and Autumn Equinoxes, when the axial tilt of the earth is zero with respect to its orbital plane. Take the Spring Equinox in the Northern hemisphere for example. On the day of the Spring Equinox, the Sun will rise exactly due East but after that it's apparent rising point will move gradually South of East until it reaches its Southerly maximum apparent rising point on the day of the Summer Solstice. After this it will appear to rise further and further due North, rising exactly due East again on the day of the Autumn Equinox and gradually moving to its most Northerly apparent rising point on the day of the Winter Solstice, when the process reverses again. The number of degrees which the Sun appears to deviate North or South depends largely on your latitude. This is the principle behind many of the Neolithic mega-structures that you'll find scattered about the geographical British Isles, such as Stonehenge or New Grange in County Meath, Ireland. |
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Edited by
Seamus
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Wed 11/25/20 05:52 AM
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I think I might have got the directions reversed, North for South. If I have, I apologize, I'm not feeling very well at the moment and this could be effecting my thinking.
 Apart from that, I think that my description of the process is accurate. |
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Someone really needs to tag in here and fact check my feverish brain
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I think that you'll find that the answer to the apparent variations in position of sunrise and sunset through the year is axial tilt. This is the difference between the Earth's orbital plane, which remains constant, and it's Equatorial plane which "wobbles" by approximately 23 degrees from the perpendicular during the year. This phenomena is responsible for the fact that we have seasons at all. During what we call summer in the Northern hemisphere, the north pole leans towards the sun by a maximum of approximately 23 degrees mentioned earlier and is what we call mid-summer. During what we call winter in the Northern hemisphere, the North pole leans away from the sun by this same amount at maximum (mid-winter) and obviously is the reason why the seasons are opposite in the Southern and Northern hemispheres. As the northern hemisphere is tilted towards the sun in summer, the southern hemisphere is tilted away from the sun and experiences colder temperatures which we call winter and vice versa. I hope that my explanation is clear enough but if not, just look up "Axial tilt". Yeah, I know about axial tilt. I guess I should have been more specific and mentioned the tropics. What I’m saying is, the sun should never rise or set north of the Tropic of Cancer. I am north of the Tropic of Cancer and almost all year long, the sun rises and sets slightly north of me. A good way to check it out (which is the way I first observed this) is find a long road that you know is supposed to run due east and west, such as parts of I-90, and be there and dawn and or dusk, and see whether the sun rises/sets to the north or south of the road. If you live north of the Tropic of Cancer, the sun is supposed to appear to rise to the south of east. I know exactly what you mean. I live approximately 53 degrees latitude North on a raised terrace on the West side of a narrow North-South valley. The East of the valley has only farms and moorland on the top, so I get an mostly uninterrupted view of the Sunrise throughout the year. The Sun will only rise exactly due East on the day of the Spring and Autumn Equinoxes, when the axial tilt of the earth is zero with respect to its orbital plane. Take the Spring Equinox in the Northern hemisphere for example. On the day of the Spring Equinox, the Sun will rise exactly due East but after that it's apparent rising point will move gradually South of East until it reaches its Southerly maximum apparent rising point on the day of the Summer Solstice. After this it will appear to rise further and further due North, rising exactly due East again on the day of the Autumn Equinox and gradually moving to its most Northerly apparent rising point on the day of the Winter Solstice, when the process reverses again. The number of degrees which the Sun appears to deviate North or South depends largely on your latitude. This is the principle behind many of the Neolithic mega-structures that you'll find scattered about the geographical British Isles, such as Stonehenge or New Grange in County Meath, Ireland. And that’s exactly what you should be observing... if you lived on the equator. At 53 degrees north, the sun should always appear to rise and set to the south of true east-west all year long. And if that is not really the case then all of our earth science teachers owe us a big apology. |
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I'm afraid that this is as far as my understanding of the phenomena reaches.
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This might have something to do with it, though I was noticing the discrepancy as early as six years ago.
https://www.goodshomedesign.com/inuit-elders-are-warning-the-world-and-nasa-that-earth-has-shifted/?fbclid=IwAR09iDsugpItwH3K2vIlIrnr7iRUuyNhfIEWi8Nso28hEBpAU6gd3qgXdrw |
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I just took a look at that website. Lots of unconnected comments and none from the scientists who while pointing their telescopes would all have noticed something like this if it were true. Looks like as believable as flat earth theory to me!
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Flat Earthers = NUTTERS
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They had a convention in Palermo, Sicily last year and the poster said "Flat Earth Society Convention, welcome to participants coming from all over the GLOBE"
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Atoms oscillate and the earth is made of atoms .
A geometric circle is say more rounded than a square so the definition of flat is more relative to square like pattern and a round pattern is closer to the definition of spin. Mathematically speaking, which by the way is the only universal language to communicate with says the earth is measured easiest with 2 x pi x radius = round |
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the earth is most likely flat. if it wasn't why would pilots use azimuthal equidistant maps to navigate the air and seas? not to forget you can't buy no stop flight tickets from certain places that are too far from each other on said azimuthal map that otherwise would be easily possible on a sphere. theres also been proof of there not being a curve of the planet from cameras stationed on the beach recording a ship in the ocean traveling away and well surpassing the curve that a spherical planet would have because on a sphere the ship wouldn't be observable after the milage would be passed. I mean it's even on the flag of the United Nations. believe whatever you want but science and unpurchasable plane tickets do not lie.
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the earth is most likely flat. if it wasn't why would pilots use azimuthal equidistant maps to navigate the air and seas? not to forget you can't buy no stop flight tickets from certain places that are too far from each other on said azimuthal map that otherwise would be easily possible on a sphere. theres also been proof of there not being a curve of the planet from cameras stationed on the beach recording a ship in the ocean traveling away and well surpassing the curve that a spherical planet would have because on a sphere the ship wouldn't be observable after the milage would be passed. I mean it's even on the flag of the United Nations. believe whatever you want but science and unpurchasable plane tickets do not lie. Unfortunately for believers of this nonsense, it IS possible to purchase plane tickets from anywhere to anywhere! One journalist was told that it was 'impossible' to fly from New York to Australia - the fact that this journey had been made more than once by the journalist was simply dismissed as being 'impossible'. One simple way to disprove the 'flat' theory is to ask what actually happens at the 'edge'. If it was true there would be plenty of evidence and agreement. But in fact some say there is a huge wall of ice and it is impossible to get to it because it is protected by an army of soldiers who will stop you! Really? Who is in this army? Who are their parents? To whose advantage is all this secrecy? Obviously large numbers of people 'know' but even larger numbers are not told. What is the advantage of doing science in this way? Are Russians and Americans in complete agreement over this while also being in disagreement over everything else? Others say the earth is infinite. Well it can't be both! |
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Truth is stranger than fiction A flat Earth is fiction, not truth. Given that we can walk all over the earth without ever feeling that we are about to topple off or lose our balance (intoxicating substances aside), surely it is indeed strange that we live on a giant ball, instead of on a flat surface. |
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if all of us walk over to one side
we can flip it |
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if all of us walk over to one side we can flip it Isn't that why people get so concerned about immigration? 
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