Yeshua, after being asked by Philip to shew him the Father, responded with 2 very important clues.

1. Yeshua said, have I not been with you this long that you "DO NOT KNOW ME?"...when you [see] the Father you [see] Me...when you [see] Me you [see] the Father.


2. Yeshua furthered this statement with "I am not doing the works you [see]. the Father that LIVES INSIDE ME IS DOING THE WORKS [John 14:10
10 Don't you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; [[the Father living in me]] is doing his own works.




so, outside of Yeshua explaining that looking at Him is looking at the FATHER Colossians 1:15
15 He is the [[visible image of the invisible God]]. He is supreme over all creation...
He also makes it clear that living inside Him is the FATHER.


which this is very important here. [[((if the SON was His own person))]] [then the FATHER would not dwell in Him]. I believe this is concrete proof that the flesh Yeshua was actually the FATHER all along.

another key:
what do we have living in us as believers?
Holy Spirit [the Spirit of the Father][that connects us to the Father].

so Yeshua had the FATHER living in Him and we have the Spirit of the Father living in us.

to me, this is proof of ONLY ONE GOD and Yeshua/Yahweh are the same being [as Spirit and in the flesh].


Colossians 1 explains that Yeshua created ALL THINGS.

John called Yeshua the WORD.

now, lets put this in biblical example:

Genesis 1:2-3
2 The earth was unformed and void, darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God hovered over the surface of the water. 3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

Here the ((Creator)) [[is in Spirit form]] but we know this is actually Yeshua [the Father lives inside Me].
and verse 3 states God said [this is the WORD in action].

the entire Bible is a reflection of Yeshua/Yahweh, WHO is the ONE GOD!!

this is why Catholics changed original Matthew 28:19...because Yeshua commanding to baptize in His NAME [is the authority of the FATHER]...and they changed it to create the unholy trinity!!

this is why I am like the Messianic Jews = ONENESS!!






another Catholic change for the trinity is the kjv states there are 3 in heaven.

but the real translation DOES NOT STATE THIS: the original translation is speaking only about Yeshua here:

1 John 5:6-8
6 He is the one who came by means of water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah - not with water only, but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 There are three witnesses - 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood - and these three are in agreement.




the scriptures are clear that there is NO TRINITY!!

If Jesus Christ is God, (which He is) then there absolutely is a Trinity.

The verses you provided actually prove that truth.

Three in One Godhead.

One God with three distinct Persons.

If Jesus Christ isn't God then there is no trinity.
But , that simply is not the case because Jesus Christ is God.

The Scriptures are drenched in this truth.

No, it proves that Yahweh lived in Yeshua. therefore, it makes Yeshua being Yahweh.


if Yeshua was His own person, Yeshua would be doing the works, not Yahweh.

the Holy Spirit inside of you does the works for you, not you doing the works.

so you having the Holy Spirit, is a reflection of the Spirit of God, not yourself.


if Yeshua was His own entity and God, He would not need the Father inside Him!!

the fact the Father controlled Him like a puppet [basically], indicates the Father is Yeshua!!


and you completely missed the Genesis 1:2-3 points...
we know this is Yeshua. and look, He is in Spirit form. so Yeshua is both Spirit and flesh like 1 john 5:6-8 indicates!!

You are actually proving the Triune (One) God.

Not three separate entities.
Only One God with three distinct Persons.

The Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit

@ resurrected

you only see that because of what you believe.


but I am providing that if the Father actually lived inside Yeshua, Yeshua IS NOT THE SON, but He is the FATHER!!



if the FATHER lives in YESHUA and controls YESHUA then YESHUA [is not] a seprate person...but SAME as the person living inside Him and controlling Him!!

Obviously, this is very important to you.
You have an issue with how other's believe.
Do you have trouble finding inner contentment?
Why are other people's beliefs so important that you choose to argue over it?
I believe there is a God but I don't believe God is active for human beings anymore than the rest of the Universe.
The reality before me is the only 'proof' I need.
I don't see words written in a series of scrolls arranged in a book a long time ago by people I've never known as proof of anything.
If anything, its merely an accounting of what they understood while they were alive. Chances are, they possessed an imagination just like me.

no, if others follow the SAME GOD as I do, it is important they see the scripture from all views!!

I believe the truth that God has revealed through God the Father, God the Son , and God the Holy Spirit.

Yes , the same God (One) in three distinct Persons.
The verses you have provided clearly shed light on this marvelous truth.

We agree that yes there is absolutely only One God.
But, we don't agree on how God operates within Himself regarding the Triune aspect of God.

Which is fine. Hardly if ever do two people agree on everything.

I won't think of you or anyone else less for not agreeing or believing what I do.

We all are works in the progress.

God is the potter and we are the clay on the potters wheel.

It can be quite problematic for us finite creatures to fully understand a infinite God.

A finite mind can never fully illustrate an infinite God.

One should focus on Jesus Christ the author of our salvation and redemption.
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I am quoting this because if you honestly put on your thinking cap, this makes sense.


if someone is living inside another body, controls that body, the entire entity is therefore NOT SEPARATE. from the OWN WORDS of YESHUA, He claims He is not doing the works but the Father living in Him. This means Yeshua is the FATHER!! there is NO SPEARATION, not separate people, but ONE in the SAME!!

I am just asking a simple question here:

if Yeshua was God, He would not need the Father living inside Him and controlling Him.

so, to make Yeshua God, the Father lives inside of Him and controls Him.
therefore, it makes sense for Yeshua to be God that He is the Father!!


another point here...if Yeshua and the invisible God are mirror images...how come the Holy Ghost is not a mirror image? God is a Spirit like the Holy Ghost, but Paul only claims Yeshua and God are mirror images. to be a triune God, all 3 would need to the mirror images. but the Holy Ghost IS NOT.

why?

because the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God, not a separate person of God!!

it's all good, Blake, we know we are brothers in Christ!!

I just am trying to show you insight to how I believe

Jesus is "one" with the Father in the same way that a cup of water from the Ocean is exactly the same essence as the Ocean itself. Jesus and the Father are of the same divine essence. But Jesus is not the same "person" as God the Father. Jesus is the Son. Apparently, in Judaism and Islam, and some "Oneness" Christian sects, they just can't "get" or accept the Trinity. But the Trinity IS. In any case, Trinity or not, belief in it or not, it will not affect anyone's salvation.

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

And the answer contains nothing about the Trinity.

God is an invisible Spirit (Jn 4:24; 1Tim 6:16). The Son of God is the visible, tangible embodiment of Deity. Only in Him can we see God. All other images are condemned because they are false and dishonor God (Dt 5:8). All creation was in Him, as the tree and its fruits are found in the seed. In Him God created all else, for the whole universe was created in Him. This includes the celestial as well as the terrestrial spheres and every form of spiritual power and dignity. These exist through Him and for Him and He makes all a unit for the accomplishment of God's purpose.
A. E. Knoch

This is what is known as an idiom. We deal with them all the time when translating languages. We have many of them in English today.

An idiom is...
These combinations of words have (rarely complete sentences) a "figurative meaning" meaning, they basically work with "pictures".
http://www.smart-words.org/quotes-sayings/idioms-meaning.html

Some English Idioms might be...

A Hot Potatoe
Bit off more than you can chew
Burning the midnight oil


If I said, "Meet me in the park by Napolean," this didn't mean literally Napolean, but his statue. In this respect, Jesus Christ is standing in for God.

This is easy enough to prove with...

CLV 1Co 15:25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.

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in my opinion, those who believe in the made up trinity lack reasoning skills.


example:

knowing that Yeshua is the begotten Son of the Father, ALOS WOULD make the Holy Ghost the Father.

WHY?

READ THIS VERSE AND SEE WHO IMPREGNATES MARY...

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the [[Holy Ghost]].

SO HERE IS THE QUESTION:
how can Yeshua be the Son of the Father, if the Holy Ghost is a SEPARATE person who impregnated Mary?

SEEMS THAT YESHUA SHOULD BE THE SON OF THE HOLY GHOST, UNLESS OF COURSE, THE HOLY GHOST IS ONLY THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER, NOT A 3RD SEPARATE PERSON!!

this is just one of many reasons why the trinity is false!!

Not false at all.

One Triune God.

Jesus Christ is God , therefore God is a One Triune God.

Not that hard to comprehend actually.

Yeshua is the FATHER and the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of Yeahua/Yahweh...so indeed, not hard to comprehend.


but, if the Holy Spirit is a separate person who impregnated Mary, then Yeshua is the child of the Holy Spirit.

But scripture is conclusive that Yeshua is of the FATHER.

this therefore makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the Holy Spirit to be another separate person.

but it does make it possible that the Holy Ghost is the SPIRIT of the FATHER.

and knowing Yeshua made it clear YAHWEH lived in Him and controlled Him [like a puppet, is spot on that Yeshua was indeed the FATHER in human flesh].

so, it is ONLY ONE GOD, who manifests Himself as[Burning Bush - Angel of God who wrestled with Jacob, the cloud following Moses - the Captain of the army of God before Joshua, the person who visited Abraham before sending His angels to Sodom and Ghomorrow, the Ancient ONE, the Messiah, the Holy Spirit, the WORD - the Angel who helped Ishmael - the FOURTH person with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, the Ark of the Covenant represented God, Noah's Ark, the Tree of LIFE, so many examples are God within the BIBLE]…

HE IS GOD and can visit us in ANY FORM HE DIESIRES TO. but there is ONLY ONE PERSON, ONE THRONE, ONE GOD, not 3.

the trinity is not even in the Bible and to preach using the specific word TRINITY is a LIE unto God's Holy Word.

for the word TRINITY is ADDING to scripture...and Yeshua said, those who add to the WORD will surely DIE!!

are humans smarter than God?

they better lose the word TRINITY then!!

Is "human" (the WORD) in the Bible?

as a muslim i can tell you that there is only one god and the proof is written in the Bible