yes, i do bold, but where i have it bold explains the differences.

you may view this anyway you wish, but, if a Believer like Blake does not get it and it needs to be bold and highlighted for like Believers...THEN WHO ARE YOU to question since you DON'T BELIEVE??

this thread was over something that Blake and i had discussed when we were at another website together. we have been doing this back n forth over scripture for almost 10 years now.

so yours and Tom's assessment as per usual, have completely missed the mark, and is so far out in Right Field, that the only 2 who think they have a clue have removed themselves by their own ignorance.

and WHY DO I NEED TO BOLD/CAP THE SCRIPTURES?

are you not aware when scripture is placed.

i did MENTION in that Post, Tom, ALL of these verses are the SAME VERSE (1 John 5:6-8)...

how did you MISS THAT between recognizing i BOLD/CAP??

hey Tom,



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actually, on the first 2 pages you see FOUR of US mostly posting.

all 4 of us come from another website and we had been discussing these things at the other site and just carried it over to Mingle.

we had no idea NONE OF YOU others would be involved!!

That's the nice thing about these threads. Anyone can post and you never know who is going to add their own opinions!

MK,

i agree!!


but when the 4 of us came to Mingle, we only assumed it would be like at DH, just us 4 always discussing viewpoints.

at DH, no nonbeliever ever chose to participate.

here, we have learned, definitely much different!!

and i will add, that even though (knowing because of proper/improper viewpoints) anyone can participate, it's a good fulfillment to be challenged.

to not just be accepted and to continue viewing things from one side is how we should desire to be, but to be literally transparent and open (even when opposing).

and like myself, what confuses most, is my love for Mathematics and Engineering and the creative processes and then i have this wicked stance on my beliefs towards God.

and all of my views pertaining to God i have shown the Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic to verify where i stand at.

people believe it has to be 1 or the other; Science or God.

but i see Science revealing God.

even if it was by way of evolution and Adam was separate for the Messiah, evolution would explain how other people were already in existence for Adam's son to find a wife and Marry (not related) to them.

and i've shown where God never asked for animal and sin offerings like Moses grew up Egyptian style.

so there are many things i have revealed that goes directly against what has become tradition and wrong.

God has literally been incorrectly portrayed for Centuries, and the God being preached on Sundays in America, is not even close to the God found in the Hebrew text!!

Some people believe it has to be science or god. Those are people who 'believe' something and then are not open to any other opinion, or even fact as revealed by research. The JWs are among that type of person. They can't accept evolution, because 'their' bible tells them it wasn't like that. Their minds are too closed to read and understand that Darwin was totally correct and is continually being updated with nothing whatsoever being found to contradict him. It's not a problem for 'normal' Christians!

Then there are the normal Christians, and I know many of them. They are happy to accept all that science offers, including evolution. They believe in what the bible says (probably King James, or one of the more recent translations into 'modern' English) and at the same time find nothing wrong in the current state of scientific researh. They would say that god tell us the 'why' while science tells us the 'how'.

These people don't get into arguments with others about which translation is the most accurate, going into fantastic detail to attempt to 'prove' their point. They don't see the need for any sort of proof. Indeed they couldn't care less if their 'belief' is only approximately correct in the finer detail. It really doesn't matter. They go to church, kneel, sit and stand at the right times and then enjoy a coffee afterwards.

Then possibly go home to read about the latest findings in an area of interest.

Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.

reposted due to the thread being 'broken' when some idiot posted a pointless long list of XXX making it impossible to read subsequent posts that have long lines of text!

you said, some people believe it has to be either science/God.



both true science and followers of God do not believe in space aliens, so what is else to choose from?

what if one of them is correct?

what if they both are correct?

what if you are wrong?

what if i am right?


if you are right i still have lived life the same as everyone else, one day at a time.

if i am right, you spend whatever time is left in mental misery after death.



but no one alive knows for certain since it's a death revelation.

If I am wrong I will certainly ask god why she did not reveal herself to me. Many things have 'happened' which a believer will put down to 'must be god' because they are too lazy to think about the possible reasons for that happening.

I put it down either to sheer coincidence or to something for which science has yet to find an answer. There are some silly people who think that at this point in time, we have all the answers.

That's provable nonsense - just look at the brain. We know very little about 'exactly' how it works. No doubt that is behind many experiences that people have.

The obvious example is what happens when you take drugs. Similar effects are likely caused by something in the brain, maybe a reaction to chemicals present.

To put these 'unexplained' events down to a god is very lazy thinking. It means you can stop worrying or wondering, just say, "OK, it was god". That's lazy because you can't send send god an e-mail asking, "Was that you?". You can't believe in something if you don't have evidence.

Some people say they 'believe' in aliens but that is like a belief in god. Neither are really beliefs because neither can provide proof of their existence.

I don't find it impossible to consider that there might be aliens but the distance from them to us is likely to be so enormous that travelling for a visit could take thousands of years.

If we received a message it will have their planet a very long time ago! I think it likely that civilisations will arise and eventually fall, quite possibly on millions of planets but because of the size of the universe we will never meet them.

But that assumes the speed of light is the ultimate limit of speed. What if Star Trek like wormholes are discovered? The Enterprise was able to move at great speeds across enormous distances.

If our science finds a way round this apparent limitation, we could one day be doing what Captain Kirk did, which will be amazing.

I am open minded about aliens, they might or might not exist and we might or might not meet some of them one day in our future.

I don't 'believe' in aliens because there is, at the moment, no proof they exist, just a feeling that they 'might' exist. That feeling is not enough for a proof.

There is no need to choose from anything else. There might be a god and there might be aliens. Either or both might exist. Or neither. I think aliens 'might' exist and god does not exist.

If I am wrong I will certainly ask god why she did not reveal herself to me. Many things have 'happened' which a believer will put down to 'must be god' because they are too lazy to think about the possible reasons for that happening.

I put it down either to sheer coincidence or to something for which science has yet to find an answer. There are some silly people who think that at this point in time, we have all the answers.

That's provable nonsense - just look at the brain. We know very little about 'exactly' how it works. No doubt that is behind many experiences that people have.

The obvious example is what happens when you take drugs. Similar effects are likely caused by something in the brain, maybe a reaction to chemicals present.

To put these 'unexplained' events down to a god is very lazy thinking. It means you can stop worrying or wondering, just say, "OK, it was god". That's lazy because you can't send send god an e-mail asking, "Was that you?".

You can't believe in something if you don't have evidence.

Some people say they 'believe' in aliens but that is like a belief in god. Neither are really beliefs because neither can provide proof of their existence.

I don't find it impossible to consider that there might be aliens but the distance from them to us is likely to be so enormous that travelling for a visit could take thousands of years.

If we received a message it will have their planet a very long time ago! I think it likely that civilisations will arise and eventually fall, quite possibly on millions of planets but because of the size of the universe we will never meet them.

But that assumes the speed of light is the ultimate limit of speed. What if Star Trek like wormholes are discovered? The Enterprise was able to move at great speeds across enormous distances.

If our science finds a way round this apparent limitation, we could one day be doing what Captain Kirk did, which will be amazing.

I am open minded about aliens, they might or might not exist and we might or might not meet some of them one day in our future.

I don't 'believe' in aliens because there is, at the moment, no proof they exist, just a feeling that they 'might' exist. That feeling is not enough for a proof.

There is no need to choose from anything else. There might be a god and there might be aliens. Either or both might exist. Or neither. I think aliens 'might' exist and god does not exist.

MK,



any number of people knowing that you once had a grandfather who was a preacher, would claim, just that knowledge is enough for typical grandsons to want to be like their Grandfather.

God would most likely claim that Your Grandfather was His revealing Himself to you, but when you decided that your Grandfather was a nutter, you made God a nutter as well!!

and you claimed at one time all forms of Believers used to knock on your door to invite you to God.

it's really funny how can you can say, God has never made Himself known to you, but yet, you also claim that believers in God had in the past visited you.

cracks me up, any time someone introduces God to you by way of conversation, post, phone call, knocking on your door...that is GOD trying to make Himself known to you!!

me discussing God to you is God trying to reveal Himself to you!!

You know nothing whatsoever about my Grandfather. He was a priest in the Church of England. When he retired he went away to live somewhere else to avoid his former parishioners from calling on him.

He never went to Church after retirement. To him, it was just a job, although he did it to the best of his ability. Please stop referring to someone you know nothing about whatsoever.

It just makes you look even more stupid. If you think his job, or the stupid JWs calling at my door, even yourself, are examples of the god you believe in trying to make herself known to you, than that is pathetic.

I had a scientific discussion with the last JWs to call at my door and now they miss out my house and know better than to try to sell their rubbish to me.

I know many believers, mostly Catholic, Methodist or Church of England. None of them feel it is for them to say anything at all about god.

They don't bother. We respect each other's views and do not discuss the rubbish they believe in. These are 'normal' Christians, not the deluded sort.

They all (as far as I know) fully accept evolution and none of them speak any of the 'original' languages like Greek or Hebrew. They don't need to do that in order to live normal lives.

There has never been any revelation of any sort to me. I do not need such nonsense!

what moron would become a priest unless he wanted to become a priest, like your grandfather. and if your mother always believed in God she got it from your grandfather and that had to be real to her to believe and more than just a job to your grandfather.


what you are is someone full of excuses, like your life is!!

who was sadder, mk, you or your mother at her death knowing she would never see you again in the next life?

surely, you misled her to having her think you believed ?god like her and then became your own man when she died.


hahahaha what an inept flouse...

Wrong again. You know nothing about my family. As I know nothing about yours. Despite your ridiculous story about a semi, I have never mentioned your family. Please do not to mention mine again. They are irrelevant to this thread.

I did not mislead my Mother. She knew my beliefs and shrugged her shoulders, knowing that everyone does their own thing. I expect she was pleased that having made up my mind I stuck to my opinions.

Many people follow the religion and denomination of their parents. They do it because it's what you do. They go to the same church, get married, have children, who then go to teh same church.

At least I gave the matter some serious thought and made up my mind. I did not become 'my own man' when my Mother died. I did so about the age of 20. My Mother dies about 40 years after that, so please get your facts right and when you don't know them, stop guessing.

Seems that is what you are doing in thie thread, spouting nonsense without even knowing your facts. Time for me to laugh at you!