BUT, there is only ONE ABRAHAM whom is designated as the father of both the Hebrew/Jews and the Muslims.

Both sects of people can literally trace their entire lineage to Abraham.

and from there, they can claim the God of Abraham as their God.

Both the Muslim and Hebrew/Jew worship the SAME GOD [as does the Catholics, Christians].

it is ironic that for centuries, the God of Abraham has been worshipped by the most people of all/any other gods.

AND, the God of Abraham is still worshipped by more people vs other deities.

AND, the God of Abraham is now worshipped and growing as the number ONE GOD in the majority of every nation.

this means people of other cultures are believing their old deities aren't real, and that the God of Abraham is.

to me, that is a testimony to the God of Abraham!!

I would think every muslim would disagree with you on that, which is my point... If it was the same god, the muslims wouldn't be trying to kill the non muslims or the other muslims that don't think the same...

My question is
What makes the God of Abraham better than my God?
I've never met Abraham?

THIS IS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN MRMXB [MUSLIM] AND MYSELF [FOLLOWER OF YESHUA] FROM HIS THREAD [IS IT NECESSARY TO BELIEVE IN GOD] THAT IS NOW LOCKED:






FROM ME:
This is why it is pointless for a government to try to FORCE people to say they believe. That does not cause faith, it only insures that none of the people of the country, can ever have FAITH that their neighbors actually have faith.


there is also a concept of divine intervention or coincidence. as a believer, I view it as divine intervention.

example: your boss asks you to work over when your normal routine is to leave and be at certain places. but the time your boss asks you to work, one of these places gets robbed and someone is shot.

now, is that coincidence or God intervening for you?

I have personally had a few incidents like this that something happened and kept me from being somewhere. and then later on I learned something bad took place and I would have been there or possibly involved.

to me, this is God's divine intervention.

so, when I realized what this was, it was no longer believing in God via faith only. to me, this was hardcore fact there is a real God who is helping me while I was blindly believing He was real.

basically, I have so much proof now there is a real God it no longer is a matter of faith. where my faith now lies at, is at the point of expecting God to always intervene on my behalf




FROM MRMXB:
Mr iam_resurrected,
you have revealed God's faith. yea, as you said to God, it is believed. I am a Muslim and I believe in God as you tell me. /// there is a saying like this: God's mercy is like 100 pieces. One part is for this world / universe. With this one piece, the mother looks at the child, the sheep looks at the lamb, the trees give fruit, the cloud gives rain, the planets move in a certain plane. as. as. the remaining 99 parts are forgiving people in the other world. so he is very, very compassionate.





FROM ME:
it is my honor to meet you, sir

I have several true friends who follow the Muslim way of life via the Qu'ran. and although I am a follower of Yahweh, I find it a true blessing in which my friends and myself believe. we have went back to point of father Abraham. and from the [Qu'ranfor - Hebrew Bible - Christian Bible] it is here we know of Abraham, and all of his sons Ishmael, Isaac, Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. and from those sons we are where we are now in the path of Abraham's faith and walk in God.

it really does amaze me how close the scriptures of the Qu'ran and Hebrew Bible relate. both emphasize and express Abraham's view of the true ONE GOD!! it may appear as 2 separate views from how the translations read. but in reality, they speak of the SAME GOD!!

and it is from this point of understanding, between my Muslim friends and myself, that we find our spiritual connection





FROM MRMXB:
Mr iam_resurrected,
"it is my honor to meet you, sir"

You're welcome.
If I meet you I will be honored.
///
from the words of courtesy given by the holy book. the humility of the high character of the sacred book is understood from your words.
///
the Torah, the Bible, and the Quran, these three books were filled with the same fountain. 3 books give the same smell.
it has to be like that. because there is 1 God. only 1 God.
///
Qur'an is the last book. Our Prophet is the last prophet. the prophet will no longer come. the book will not come anymore.
///
According to Islamic belief, Jesus did not die. It's in the sky. Jesus will come again near the doomsday. and govern the world with justice. ... as long as Jesus will remain in the world. then it will be the doomsday. Muslims have to believe this.
///
Muslim clerics can make mistakes. Christian clergy can make mistakes. Jewish clergy can make mistakes. but God never makes mistakes.
///
I could explain the hope through translation.
///
Good night sir.









AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, THE MUSLIM DOES BELIEVE SIMILAR TO THE JEW AND CHRISTIAN!!





the difference is the teaching and misinterpretation of scripture!!







MRMXB agrees 100% with me concerning Abraham and Abraham's God.

you clearly don't know as much as you had perceived which is understandable. because you don't believe, you would not study to find where all of those following the God of Abraham connects!!

i would claim that your God and Abraham's God are ONE and the SAME GOD!!

everything you have describes as being your God is described the same way throughout scripture.

from the minute undetectable microscopic organism to bacteria, to nature, to weather, to humanity, to the planet and planets of our galaxy, to the universe and beyond are all connected through and by God.

what the scripture has provided is that there is a different tangible than your personal views, and that is this SAME GOD as being personable to us [His creation].

this is so that we can honor/worship God in direct correlation to God. in other words, you don't give a tree honor because it is connected to God like you don't give honor to other fellow human beings. instead, you give honor to God Himself who is the connection to everything. this is how you can break it down to a personal savior.

i am going by what you have posted, mightymoe.

yes, you could be yanking my chain about your views toward the ancient Hebrews.

but i am taking you at face value here.

i would claim that your God and Abraham's God are ONE and the SAME GOD!!
Why? How could you possibly know what my idea of God is?
How do you know exactly what Abraham's God is?
At best, scripture defines God as per multiple impressions over time.
Unless you actually speak to Abraham and he manages to articulate his exact impression of God there is still the inaccuracies having to do with his relativity of perception. How do you know what he understands is exactly what really is?

Hell, I'm not even sure what I understand is exactly what is. All I know is my idea of God, works for me, makes sense to me. My understanding is just as valid as anyone elses and I don't require a written word to make my belief valid to me. It just is.

and from the scripture we have, we actually do not how Abraham specifically envisioned God from his point of view. but we know he believed and 2 nations of people [Muslim/Jews(Hebrews)] were born from his loins that carried on his faith.

it's like me following the God of my Grandfather and Father. i do not know specifically by the terms in how they described God, because i do not know specifically what everything literally meant to them. i know what everything means to me, but from their deepest convictions, i really only know a degree.

so me saying your God is SAME as Abraham's God, is me saying i have to take your word for it!!

But...I never said my God was the same as Abraham's God, You Did?
I know my God is not the same as anyone else's God because its my God.
I've been exposed to enough of the Christian gospel to KNOW that my God is not the same God touted by that religion.
What's more, My God doesn't fit what I understand of any other religion (believe me, I have looked).
It doesn't undermine anyone else's understaning of their God but it just doesn't fit my beliefs. Which is okay with me. I don't need to justify.

I've struggled to make religion's God workl for me. It cause lots of conflict inside me. It wasn't till I embraced my own beliefs and dismissed that which didn't make sense that I found inner contentment.

I hope that everyone finds their own inner contentment. Not the contentment they are told they should feel but the reall contentment I feel. It makes all the difference in life.

Just realize, if there is doubt, a second guess, a consideration of "if" in belief, Is it a true belief?
So many times I read people writing "IF' God exists, "IF" the rapture happens, "IF" this, that or something else. This is proof in their own proclaimation that they are not sure their beliefs are true.

I have no doubt there is a GOD.
I have no doubt that mankind has no idea the nature of God.
I see God everywhere, all the time, in everything.
I have no doubt.
Perhaps it is my complete faith in my own belief but it gives me inner peace and the ability to cope with what life throws at me.
What else should matter?

i mention the "IF" God exists/etc trying to not shove my personal beliefs down someone's throat.

i am not trying to correct them, even though, i know without a shadow of a doubt that God does in fact exist.




and to the rest of what you posted, i can agree to that myself. but i go as far to include God on a one on one personal level

include God on a one on one personal level
See, this is here I am dismayed.
Oneness with God is not something that can be considered as separate.
It is never ever a consideration for me because in my belief, there is nothing except oneness with God?

I don't exist separate from God. God is the entire Universe?
I am part of that Universe so by default, I am also part of God.
Its difficult for me to wrap my head around what you imply?

Perhaps I just have a really simple way of looking at reality?

See, when I dream, imagine, hope, think, act and experience I see it as God doing so. My imagination is God imagining because I am part of God and God is part of me.

When I imagine a place outside the Universe. That place becomes the Universe because I am in the Universe and that thought originated within the Universe so it becomes part of the Universe by default.
Since God is the Universe, everything that happens within the Universe is God. Including thoughts.

Is the Universe aware, Yes.
Is God aware, Yes.

For some reason, people think they are separate from the Universe, separate from God. I don't see it that way.
God is everywhere, everywhen and everyhow because everything exists in embodiement of God.
I'm not just saying this because scripture tells me, I understand reality as such.

Your topic concerning the "Oneness with God" implies that there can be a condition where there isn't a oneness with God and to that idea I disagree.

What gets me is that more people can't realize this?

I absolutely understand and find your description to be very accurate in the entire whole of everything tied to humanity, nature, the universe, and God.

but I believe God made Himself into a flesh body to be amongst us. He then sent His Spirit to dwell within us at all times. so in essence, this means I am more than just part of the whole, part of everything, but with God living inside me makes it an even closer existence with God than just being a part of it all.

There is no "oneness" with God outside of Jesus Christ.

You are correct the true God is sigle,but He reveails Himself in tree ,it is confirmed in the bible

this is an interesting thread especially the exchanges in the 1st five posts

that particular poster refused to accept that his biblical translation should basically read the same as what it was translated from. and if he would take that into consideration, the originals are very clear about the only trinity existing is the demonic Moloch trinity.



that posters biblical translation comes from the Latin Vulgate, which is a translation of the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.

so whatever the Greek and Aramaic state, the Latin Vulgate should verify, and ultimately the English Bible should verify.

but they do not.

i will do comparison of the Greek, Aramaic, and Latin Vulgate scripture reference from 1 John 5:6-8.
^
then i will compare today;s English version and see how close it matches, and if it does not match, would it change the meaning of these 3 verses all together?

GREEK
6 This is He Who is coming through water and blood and spirit - Jesus Christ - not in the water only, but in the water and in the blood. And the spirit it is which is testifying, for the spirit is the truth,

7 seeing that three there are that are testifying,

8 the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."


ARAMAIC
ܗܢܘ ܕܐܬܐ ܒܝܕ ܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܡܫܝܚܐ ܠܐ ܗܘܐ ܒܡܝܐ ܒܠܚܘܕ ܐܠܐ ܒܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ
6 This is The One who came by means of The Water and The Blood; Eshu Meshikha {Yeshua, The Anointed One}. It wasn't of The Water alone, but rather, by The Water and The Blood.

ܘܪܘܚܐ ܡܣܗܕܐ ܕܗܝ ܪܘܚܐ ܐܝܬܝܗ ܫܪܪܐ
7 And The Rukha {The Spirit} testifies; because that One, The Rukha {The Spirit}, is The Truth.

ܘܐܝܬܝܗܘܢ ܬܠܬܐ ܣܗܕܝܢ ܪܘܚܐ ܘܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ ܘܬܠܬܝܗܘܢ ܒܚܕ ܐܢܘܢ
8 And there are three testifying: The Rukha {The Spirit}, and The Water, and The Blood. And these three are in One.


LATIN VULGATE
6 hic est qui venit per aquam et sanguinem Iesus Christus non in aqua solum sed in aqua et sanguine et Spiritus est qui testificatur quoniam Christus est veritas

This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth that Christ is the truth.

7 quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant

And there are Three who give testimony

8 Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt

the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.






WHAT IS SPECIFIC ABOUT THOSE ^ TRANSLATIONS, VERSES 6-8 CLEARLY SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT JESUS...
but
READ THE ENGLISH VERSION THAT LITERALLY DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO MATCHING THE ORIGINAL TRANSLATIONS:


ENGLISH
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


the English translators completely changed those verses, that are clearly about Jesus, into the false doctrine of the Trinity.

the English version is NOWHERE close to the Latin Vulgate, by which it was translated from. That is how people gain these false misconceptions of God, because of deliberate and malice intent, or, the dumbest translators on planet Earth!!


but the first 3 versions all match and the English does not. Pretty obvious the English translation is wrong in some very important key areas of Doctrine!! and wrong enough to sway people to have a complete different view than what God wanted them to have!!

I've noticed something about your personality.

You bold and CAPS your comments but not the reference scripture you post.

This indicates you might think what you have to say is more important than the scripture you use.

Most people, when using bold, bold the quoted text or scripture then just normally type their own comments.

This tendency to bold or cap your comments is similar to narcissistic behavior.

You obviously copy and paste the reference scripture to your reply.
Why do you not post the source?
~OMO~ (One Man's Opinion)

I think it is important - essential, even - for believers to justify their belief by telling everyone else - even 'shouting' at them in capital letters - that what they believe is in some way 'correct' and that all the learned theologians of other faiths have got it all wrong, mistranslating the original text when showing what it meant in modern English.

Of course it could be that there is no such thing as a god. That would be a really good explanation about why, for example, people argue about the Trinity, believed in by all Christians as it is a part of that belief, but doubted by a few people who consider themselves as having more intellect than the expert theologians among Christians. How arrogant!

If there was a god, all the believers would believe the same thing, with only very minor variations between them. As my quote says, why bother to argue? If you're sure your own particular interpretation is correct and equally sure that everyone who disagrees with you is just 'wrong'- does it matter? Best to just go fishing!