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I understand what you're saying diserli, It's the same here as I've said with many things. How would it be right for someone on welfare to go on holiday/vacation and someone who is working and fending for there family not afford to go? because its not a competition. If people want to take some time down, they have to find it in their resources to do so, working or not. Working people cant 'afford' things only if they arent resourceful enough to figure out how to get them .. at least thats the logic of how simple it is for people on welfare with kids to find work and take care of their children by themself without assistance. take responsibility and make it happen with what you have. I will never begrudge another person taking time down, even if I have decided to spend my budget in other places. Not a competition, nope. Depends if you mean being resourceful means claiming benefits is more resourceful than getting a job? And I can't see what they need down time from? Must be hard sitting back waiting for others to pay taxes so it can be sent to them! |
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Not a competition, nope. Depends if you mean being resourceful means claiming benefits is more resourceful than getting a job? And I can't see what they need down time from? Must be hard sitting back waiting for others to pay taxes so it can be sent to them! Ive often wondered that too mikey, what do they need downtime from? is sitting on your azz hard work? She says some volunteers,I like to see the numbers on that and really how long do they volunteer for? |
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Not a competition, nope. Depends if you mean being resourceful means claiming benefits is more resourceful than getting a job? And I can't see what they need down time from? Must be hard sitting back waiting for others to pay taxes so it can be sent to them! Ive often wondered that too mikey, what do they need downtime from? is sitting on your azz hard work? She says some volunteers,I like to see the numbers on that and really how long do they volunteer for? It would be minimal those who actually volunteer. They wouldn't have time anyway, they'll be sitting at home watching there new 50 inch TV whilst there kids are playing on there new computer games 
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Edited by
diserli_gears
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Sat 06/16/18 06:47 AM
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I was watching a program where they interviewed a guy working minimum wage and claims he cannot get by on it.
Well he made the mistake of being interviewed at his apartment, which showed a ton of video games, flat screen TV, and a kick *** computer system If he is that poor why all the modern toys? I know Miss Harmony will say its an outlier blah blah blah and he deserves to have the latest toys because its a human right. and if he was earning a living wage things would be fine , except that he made the choices in life and like all responsible adults he has to live by his decision and not burden the rest of us. |
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It's the same here, we have a "poverty line" well year's ago that would have been defined by being able to feed the family but now if they don't have the latest gadgets they are in poverty. trouble is the word "poverty " A gem in the dictionary of the left
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The left makes me sick , they really do
and you wonder why our societies are going to hell in a hand basket. Its bad enough the Left destroyed London, I just hope the left avoids the rest of England. England is a beautiful country |
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Definitely, it was the left and the unions that killed big engineering and production companies in the 70's , constant striking, companies just up and left the country. not saying unions are a bad thing but they shouldn't have control! And of course they are the main (or were ) funding for the left party!
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Im saying Unions are a bad thing and one of the reason for the decline in jobs.
unions are a thing of the past, now if China, India and emerging countries becomes industrialized then I can see a use for them. The only industry that needs unions in my opinion is the Police/law enforcement as they are under constant attack from the left. |
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Just curious: are you saying that because less than one percent of people who get benefits in this area, manage to abuse their status and actually profit, that all help to everyone who actually needs it should be ended? I remember you as Mr testsignup from DH, anyways to answer your question, let say I accept your number of less than 1% other reports says its closer to less than 1.5% but lets not argue over numbers Nowhere have I said and you can re read my posts that Ive ever advocated not helping those who actually needs it. my concern is to eliminate the fraud that goes on, whether its less than 1%, .5% or 1.5%, that is a lot of people, and it needs to get to the people who actually needs it. Before you say yeah yeah Mr right winger what about corporate subsidies and corporate welfare? My answer : no corporations needs subsidies,corporate welfare, tax breaks today, the days of Alexander Hamilton are long gone. No more bailouts, corporate welfare, tax breaks etc. Although I did say if a company/corporation employs a minimum of 50 people paying them a living wage they should get a tax break, that is the exception but its only a pipe dream I'm afraid. Okay, practical business question then: most businesses who have high direct customer interactions, have to set a PRACTICAL level of acceptance of "bad customers." In many businesses, this is called an acceptable "shrinkage" level, below which, the cost of reducing it further, exceeds the cost of putting up with it. One of my strong annoyances with the current Republican Party leadership, is that they pretend that there IS an acceptable level of corruption and abuse in business, but that there should be none at all, in areas such as social safety nets. Where do you stand on that? |
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I was watching a program where they interviewed a guy working minimum wage and claims he cannot get by on it. Well he made the mistake of being interviewed at his apartment, which showed a ton of video games, flat screen TV, and a kick *** computer system If he is that poor why all the modern toys? I know Miss Harmony will say its an outlier blah blah blah and he deserves to have the latest toys because its a human right. and if he was earning a living wage things would be fine , except that he made the choices in life and like all responsible adults he has to live by his decision and not burden the rest of us. How complete was the presented research into what you think you saw? Did the people involved determine where he got the stuff he had and when? Did they explain whether or not he was paying the full cost of the apartment? Did they even say that it WAS "his" apartment? Or did you just assume that you knew what did and didn't belong to him, and how he came yo have access to it? If you are going to cite a thing as proof, you need to know that it actually does prove what you claim it does. |
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Edited by
diserli_gears
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Sat 06/16/18 09:14 AM
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Okay, practical business question then: most businesses who have high direct customer interactions, have to set a PRACTICAL level of acceptance of "bad customers." In many businesses, this is called an acceptable "shrinkage" level, below which, the cost of reducing it further, exceeds the cost of putting up with it. One of my strong annoyances with the current Republican Party leadership, is that they pretend that there IS an acceptable level of corruption and abuse in business, but that there should be none at all, in areas such as social safety nets. Where do you stand on that? Where do I stand? that is easy to answer, there should zero acceptance of corruption and abuse. The problem is that 1) the republicans of today are right to center and 2) they believe in cronyism. the Republicans have a accepted percentage of what they will accept, and this is no excuse but the Republicans dont have unions backing them , hence why they look they other way with certain business and that is wrong in my eyes. As in for social safety net, there should be some yes, but like it was in the prior centuries. Charities from the wealthy, Church groups, communities and if those are not available the government, like it was prior to Woodrow Wilson getting in. But since the government is clamping down on religion particularly Judeo christian base you are seeing less and less from the churches The Jews have it right, ever seen a indigent person of Jewish faith? Even certain sectors in Islam takes care of their own. |
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As long as the libs stay all nutted up over Trump being president, he'll have an excellent shot at being reelected. Assuming that the Warden allows him to run from a prison cell, I don't think he'll garner that many votes. 
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How complete was the presented research into what you think you saw? Did the people involved determine where he got the stuff he had and when? Did they explain whether or not he was paying the full cost of the apartment? Did they even say that it WAS "his" apartment? Or did you just assume that you knew what did and didn't belong to him, and how he came yo have access to it? If you are going to cite a thing as proof, you need to know that it actually does prove what you claim it does. it was a television program Igor, how am I to determine the presented research they did. It was his apartment as he was there with his wife and he said he lived there it was his or their place, how much is his rent was mentioned but I dont remember and it was subsidized. I see where you are going with this, except that this program mentioned he has been working at that job for sometime and he acknowledged that it was all he could get as a job because of his lack of education or something like it. I cant remember what she did for a living but it was also a dead end low paying job, but looking at his stuff you wouldn't think they were struggling was my point. So Im not sure what your point is Igor? |
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I was watching a program where they interviewed a guy working minimum wage and claims he cannot get by on it. Well he made the mistake of being interviewed at his apartment, which showed a ton of video games, flat screen TV, and a kick *** computer system If he is that poor why all the modern toys? I know Miss Harmony will say its an outlier blah blah blah and he deserves to have the latest toys because its a human right. and if he was earning a living wage things would be fine , except that he made the choices in life and like all responsible adults he has to live by his decision and not burden the rest of us. How complete was the presented research into what you think you saw? Did the people involved determine where he got the stuff he had and when? Did they explain whether or not he was paying the full cost of the apartment? Did they even say that it WAS "his" apartment? Or did you just assume that you knew what did and didn't belong to him, and how he came yo have access to it? If you are going to cite a thing as proof, you need to know that it actually does prove what you claim it does. I don't think it should matter. The welfare queens at Honda were living off grandma and spending money at the club's and hotels while hardworking moms can't get benefits because they earn money to cover the cost of living. It's not mine. Is how they are scamming the system. |
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I wonder Igor, are you saying we should cite proof certain people are scamming welfare? and we should provide statistical proof?
And If we dont provide proof then its just all hearsay? |
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I understand what you're saying diserli, It's the same here as I've said with many things. How would it be right for someone on welfare to go on holiday/vacation and someone who is working and fending for there family not afford to go? because its not a competition. If people want to take some time down, they have to find it in their resources to do so, working or not. Working people cant 'afford' things only if they arent resourceful enough to figure out how to get them .. at least thats the logic of how simple it is for people on welfare with kids to find work and take care of their children by themself without assistance. take responsibility and make it happen with what you have. I will never begrudge another person taking time down, even if I have decided to spend my budget in other places. Not a competition, nope. Depends if you mean being resourceful means claiming benefits is more resourceful than getting a job? And I can't see what they need down time from? Must be hard sitting back waiting for others to pay taxes so it can be sent to them! from raising kids and maintaining, physically, your home by yourself, WHILE trying to find work that is in your area and meeting you skillset and schedule/financing needs (if you are doing it right) its not a cakewalk of just 'sitting back) |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 06/16/18 11:08 AM
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I was watching a program where they interviewed a guy working minimum wage and claims he cannot get by on it. Well he made the mistake of being interviewed at his apartment, which showed a ton of video games, flat screen TV, and a kick *** computer system If he is that poor why all the modern toys? I know Miss Harmony will say its an outlier blah blah blah and he deserves to have the latest toys because its a human right. and if he was earning a living wage things would be fine , except that he made the choices in life and like all responsible adults he has to live by his decision and not burden the rest of us. msHarmony would only say we should not ASSUME the sources or conditions under which people accumulated physical items ... all the things you mentioned can be accumulated over time, older games can be purchased 5 dollars a pop, and cheaper if sold online by private owners, flat screens are basically ALL TVs now and can also be fairly inexpensive if sold privately, and FREE if provided by family or friends .... this is why I dont ASSUME to know someone's financial situation, too may ways that people can acquire 'things'. |
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It's the same here, we have a "poverty line" well year's ago that would have been defined by being able to feed the family but now if they don't have the latest gadgets they are in poverty. trouble is the word "poverty " A gem in the dictionary of the left i have not seen that definition here in the US poverty line is STRICTLY defined by family size and income |
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I think we in the west need to grow a pair and look around the world and see what poverty really is instead of complaining about not getting enough for nothing!
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I think we in the west need to grow a pair and look around the world and see what poverty really is instead of complaining about not getting enough for nothing! I dont think anyone here was making that complaint. I think more are complaining about people somehow getting 'too much' |
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