and how would they enlighten us? the majority of those who follow such traditions are trapped in a 3rd world undeveloped environments, disease is rampant beyond relief, technology is still a foreign concept to many of them, starvation is great, poverty is immense, and the list goes on and on and on.

how could they enlighten anyone of us who has it better?

it's rather clear if their beliefs were true and sound they would be not as deprived. their leaders are dictators, their governments fail, their idealisms are pathetic and weak. it's clear their deities are fake for they have no blessings in life, only suffering.

you pray to a rock, gold image, painting and you get hardship. [the perfect example is Greece. they went from a great community of multiple resources to a nation so far in debt they will never see the light of day].

how is that enlightening?

I highly doubt there is Greek within the Old Testament anywhere. and I only care about the Gospels which are mostly Aramaic. Paul did write in koine Greek because he was educated and did so because many of his churches were not Jewish. he wrote to the Gentiles, not to the Jews [that was Peter's responsibility].

Om

Yes, its much better to pray to a cross, some beads, a statue or an imaginary magical entity someone else told you about.
By your own standards, you should be Catholic because the Catholic church is one of the most financially backed which will yield the highest "blessings".

Could it be that peoples beliefs are not based in mortal gains?
Could it be that other religions understand that belief is a personal experience and allow others to believe as they will?
They have no 'Need' to impose their beliefs of the rest of humanity?
They don't operate feeling they constantly need to 'Justify' their beliefs to anyone?

Then there are those who's scripture comes from within based on morals and values they gain thru life experiences.
They are not so 'Insecure' in their beliefs that they feel they need to fight all other religions to prove to themselves they are 'Worthy'.
They don't live in 'fear' of life or the afterlife and see the world's beauty instead of the world's corruption.

the Catholics are 3rd world to me. look at Central/South America. full of Catholics suffering like the hindu/buddhist. a good indication that Catholicism is incorrect.

besides, if you read the actual Catholic Encyclopedias, you will discover their admitted lies and interferences within scripture.

example: the original Matthew 28:19 has Yeshua telling His disciple to baptize in HIS NAME only.

the Catholic Encyclopedia admits in 2nd century changing it to Father-Son-Holy Ghost.

so in theory, since the Catholics bastardized the baptismal formula, anyone baptized in the trinity is not actually baptized by the WORD/COMMAND of Yeshua [God in the flesh].



so yeah, toss Catholics to me all day, I don't buy their statues, images, a-n-a-l beads, hail Mary's, pray to the dead. what I see is Romans who tossed their Greek myths [statues of zeus, demeter, etc] and created new statues of the disciples and Yeshua [which is against what the Bible teaches]. to me, Catholics are still as pagan as their ancestors were. anyone who needs a trinket is weak minded.

Wow, ^THAT^ is what you got out of what I wrote?
Musta touched a nerve?

nope, I took your post concerning Catholics use of crosses, prayer beads, statues, etc.

and then added some facts concerning Catholics that have been documented within their archives.

and knowing they did bastardized portions of scripture is a little upsetting.

in my view, it would have been nice to have seen scripture in it's purest form, not what the Catholics wanted it to say!!

it's good the Hebrews always had a copy of the Torah [O.T]. even within the kjv you can find some adaptations to it [Isiah was written in Hebrew 1,500 years before Latin existed...but the latin word Lucifer is found within the Hebrew manuscript of Isaiah]...but if you read the Torah, you see where it was not bastardized because the Jews had the original which the Catholics could not actually change without being revealed immediately].


but not much of a nerve, as much as I just would have liked to been able to see a copy of scripture where the Catholics did not have the need to spread their lies within it.


another example: we know that Paul was given orders to preach to the Gentiles [which includes the Romans] and Peter to the Jews because he was a disciple. and yet, the Catholics claim Peter was in Rome to become first pope. this is a lie.

it actually saddens me to think of all of those people misled from the truth. those who believed a lie. it's a horrible shame if you consider it.

I understand that knowing someone purposely changed a manuscript for their benefit, by excluding the original idea, means nothing to you. but when they confess to it, it leads past to wondering why, and to what were they trying to hide that would conflict with their own belief.

but that is just me. I like to ask why.

Iam and I are in agreement on this. And the worst thing about the Catholics changing Matthew 28:19 from "baptizing in my name" to "baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," is not the clever sophistry they use when they say they changed the "baptismal formula," but the fact that they actually altered the words of Jesus to suit their emerging Trinity doctrines. Instead of saying we changed the "baptismal formula," they should simply say, "Yes, we changed the words of God."

Actually ^^^This^^^ is the OP thread topic.



"Proof" is always subject to acceptance.

Edited for attacking posters instead of addressing the topic.

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Ain't she just beautiful, I think I'm in love

idk, rumor has it that goddess actually has a penis

Perhaps the proof is in the opposite. It maybe difficult to prove the existence of a benevolent god/gods/goddesses, but it would seem far easier to prove their opposite

You will have to batter me with the word "NI'" to get that rockery !

OK then, all you argumentative one eyed and blinkered sky watchers, any proof of beelzibub, satan, the devil, or any other bogeymen.

And don't mention any politicians, bankers, industrialists, armed forces, lawyers, or naughty children.

I agree.
There is also no proof of Ghosts, Spirits or after-life manipulation of matter.

There is however, proof that the Earth is more than 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs existed at different times with a large gap between the ending evidence of dinosaurs and the earliest evidence of humans.

There is proof that geological processes happen at a defined speed.
There is proof that as time progresses, oceans rise to the tops of mountains, continents collide and separate and erosion reduces mountains to pebbles.

We understand how reality works because we take samples and perform tests on those samples and record the results. We retest and look for changes in those results.

There is a lot we do understand about reality but there is a whole lot of reality left that we don't understand.
The main thing to remember is without the ability to sample belief, to observe its action and test for repeatable results there is No Proof in the Pudding.

The observance may be obscure, like not seeing the object but seeing its shadow, or like black holes and small dense astral bodies, noticing the changes in surrounding things affected by the object, but not the object itself.

Does 'heaven' cast a shadow ?
Does the 'all powerful creator' warp spacetime or cast any physical influence over non-human existence ?
None has been reported that I know of.

that's kind of a weak argument... There's way more ideas showing that it doesn't exist than that it does...just because we can't figure out how life started doesn't mean a magical being snapped its fingers and poof, were all here...the theories on life and panspernia make much more sense than any magical being we should devote our lives too...