From mightymoe
that would solve a lot of confusions in the world today... I hope for religious peoples sake it does happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it tho...in the mean time, I'll enjoy all the sciences I can understand...

Actually, I am not really very religious. I am more Spiritual.

Do you understand Quantum Physics? You have two things in your home that are a result of that science.

CLV Jn 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, that `I say you are gods'?
35 If He said those were gods, to whom the word of God came (and the scripture can not be annulled),

Can you see how this relates?

God and science do not clash.

De LA soul say 3 is a magik number

I'm going to take a moment and explore some concepts and observations that might shed some insight on the whole religion proof thing. Bear with me...

Right now, In all the Universe we only know of one planet in one star system that has life. On that planet we know of only one species that has what we consider intelligent life...US.

Religion makes this out to be something very special. That in all creation mankind is the only intelligent life created. It portends to describe that mankind is made in the image of its creator.

Lets say that only one lifeform exists per star system. That the life form in each star system is man, everytime.
In the Milky Way galaxy alone (we know the Milky Way galaxy exists), around 100 thousand light years across, there are around 200 million stars. That means, there are 200 million created mankinds.
But wait.
We have detected the observable Universe at 14 Billion light years across.
That is observable from our current vantage point. It is a sphere of detection that extends out 14 billion light years no matter which way you look. There is no detected edge which means that if you change the vantage point and look again, you may see an additional 14 billion light years because we are limited to detecting light thru time.
At 14 billion light years we estimate there are 30 billion trillion stars in the Universe that we can detect. That's (3x10²²) a lot of mankind made in the image of God. How can we be anything special.
Now take the possibility that life exists on more than one planet in a star system and the number grows exponentially.
We are looking for any life on any other body in the solar system. If we find it, that fact will change the special purpose of mankind in the Universe forever. The vast expanse of the Universe is significant to reason in this train of thought.

Look at life on this one little planet. There are billions of lifeforms here. Plus there is the fact that we can't communicate with any other lifeforms on this one planet except ourselves in any meaningful way. How do we know what the intelligence level of any other species is except by measuring it against our own ideas of intelligence.

Not only is our religion biased to ourselves, our science and understanding of the Universe is biased to ourselves. We have no standard on which to gauge our accuracy, except the standards we create.

From mightymoe
what does that have to do with quantum physics? For hundreds of years the sciences were outlawed by the church...if it didn't glorify God, it was herecy...back then, they knew it would prove what the priests were saying was wrong, but what they didn't understand that God couldn't be proven either way...so it was all for nothing...one of the many reasons I feel organised religion is just for control, not much else...

A very good example. The word "heresy" is not in the Scriptures. It has been interpreted there.

I have found that science does glorify God.

You said you will enjoy the sciences that you understand. I asked if you understood Quantum Physics.

Your post below is quite good and actually, parallels The Urantia Book.

FWIW:

Note: The Urantia Book uses the term "universe" somewhat differently than we use it today.

12:1.7 The Grand Universe is the present organized and inhabited creation. It consists of the seven superuniverses, with an aggregate evolutionary potential of around seven trillion inhabited planets, not to mention the eternal spheres of the central creation. But this tentative estimate takes no account of architectural administrative spheres, neither does it include the outlying groups of unorganized universes. The present ragged edge of the grand universe, its uneven and unfinished periphery, together with the tremendously unsettled condition of the whole astronomical plot, suggests to our star students that even the seven superuniverses are, as yet, uncompleted. As we move from within, from the divine center outward in any one direction, we do, eventually, come to the outer limits of the organized and inhabited creation; we come to the outer limits of the grand universe. And it is near this outer border, in a far-off corner of such a magnificent creation, that your local universe has its eventful existence.

2nd Note:

The Urantia Book describes a species of "non-breathers," mortals. In other words, within parameters, life is designed to fit a habitat. No air? They can get their sustenance from sunlight. And The Urantia Book says this below about a race of non-breathers "in close proximity" to our world. I take that to mean the Greys, and I take it to mean they live right here in our solar system with us. They don't come from another star to visit us. They're probably native to the Moon, Mercury, Ganymede, Callisto, Europa, or perhaps even Pluto. There are a lot of non-breather candidate worlds in our solar system.

49:3.6 You would be more than interested in the planetary conduct of this type of mortal because such a race of beings inhabits a sphere in close proximity to Urantia.

A very good example. The word "heresy" is not in the Scriptures. It has been interpreted there.

I have found that science does glorify God.

You said you will enjoy the sciences that you understand. I asked if you understood Quantum Physics.

there is no need to rub salt into the wounds by confusing him with semantics.
after all, the cornerstone to scientific method [using mathematics to prove a scientific theory], began with men who are considered giants of science and the pillars like Galileo were known to be devout believers of God!!
in fact, Galileo quoted, "mathematics is the language by which God created the universe." and he also made the statement, "In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual."
but let us not forget the man who used Werner Heisenberg, Max Born, and Pascual Jordan matrix mechanics [quantum mechanics] to formulate one of the biggest break throughs in the study of relativity with his E=MC2 [quantum theory] Albert Einstein.
and Albert is on record with his belief in God via Spinoza.
in fact, one of Albert's most famous quotes was, "The more I study science, the more I believe in God." another of his famous quotes concerning his beliefs, "“I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world." and my all time favorite, “That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”
another pillar and great mathematician known for the law of gravity, Isaac Newton stated, "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by those who were inspired. I study the Bible daily."
quite amazing that 3 major pillars of science actually believed in God or a higher power.
it's why it's as easy to disprove modern science. especially when they have changed the BBT, haven't witnessed single cell splitting naturally in over 150+ years under the microscope, dating methods are skewed, DNA, and now astrophysicists are discussing simulated universe with an alien creator of higher knowledge.

As mankind embraces more and more of reality we require less and less belief in religious mandates. This is why religions are waning in favor of reality based science.

What is the mathematical equation of happiness, dreams, hopes, desires or imagination? Those are all part of the Universe too.

we could detect impulses electronically and calculate them in theory. we could measure heart rate, blood pressure, mind waves during a dream state and learn how to formulate that information into a graph/chart and learn after enough test subjects what those emotions mathematically indicate. we could evaluate from stronger emotional dreams [bad] vs simple or pleasurable dreams.

I just think many aren't thinking outside the box enough to envision the how to yet

If you consider the Universe as a whole, it becomes one but we all know that it consists of multiples of one, divisions of one. Therefore, mathematics, while accurate at our present understanding, may not be how the Universe is defined.

that is why one is a variable [1x1=1, 1x5=5, 1x10=10, etc]. the best example of this is species determination. there are hundred types of snakes. but all snakes are in the one category of snakes.

I accept we have not defined everything because we are still trying to figure what it is. but I am confident that it still requires math to calculate how far away it is from us, what elements are involved, chemical compounds, geological structures...this being based that it is an animated object to begin with.