Oh and another thing I read in the paper, not sure if its true, perhaps you guys will know. If it is true I think its pretty darn astounding. I've often thought if your there god please give us all a clear sign. Maybe this is it. Your familiar with the om sound, right and that its supposed to be something to do with the vibration of creation. Well I read scientists could hear a residual noise from the big bang, with some sort of super duper microphone and guess what the sound sounded like. That's right om. That fckin blew my mind

the booms or trumpets? The trumpets I could see people thinking that it's god, because see of revelations...but I personally thinks the the magnetic bands stretching to tight, with the upcoming pole shift...the booms I think are underground basees being built...

you do understand the concept that God is not a religion?
I certainly do, which is why I specifically write RELIGION and don't generalize God in the same context.
However, people tend to associate God with religions.
My belief in God has nothing to do with religion.
solely based upon acceptance within science itself.
There is no such thing as 'Science Itself"
Science is nothing more than a quest for understanding of the Reality that exists in the Universe. An attempt to alleviate ignorance. Science is ever changing.

All science is scientific theory. This is because no 'fact' of reality is completely understood for all the conditions that could arise in the Universe. Being science, it is always open to revision and we unlock new secrets.
what caused the Bang
First you should know I don't think there was a bang. I think it was more of a quantum eruption of movement (heat). But the cause of the initial movement is beyond my imagination, I call it God.

You've lost me their mo, are you gonna start telling me about chemtrails and various aliens?

I can, but the pole shift is a natural thing, its already happened thousands of times in the past... The underground bases are alien related tho...


This is a bit off topic tho, there's lots of information about both on the internet

Zero and minus do not actually exist.
Zero is nothing and has no value.
Minus supposes that there can be less than nothing.
These are concepts invented for math.
Math is an invention created to assist mankind in understanding the reality around them.
Math may explain everything everywhere but it will probably need to be reinvented or added to for that to happen.
There are places in the Universe where math fails to explain reality.
A lot of them happen in your own mind, black holes, galactic rifts, interstellar voids, intergalactic voids, and many, many unrealized theories.
The very concept of God eludes mathematical explanation.

"Nothing" is the absence of "something". While it may seem like 'nothing' is a value, it really isn't.

Mathematics is just a way of analyzing things in a consistent way via formulas and equations, to make sense of what we see. It is used by animals too, though we say it was invented by humans.

Birds and some other animals can crudely count: 1, 2, more than one or two or three. If you want to ambush a bird, you need 3 or more people to go to the hide, one person stays behind and the others walk away - the bird thinks they have all gone away. If one person goes to the hide alone, the birds watching know someone is there, because they haven't left yet. Simple.

We make it more complicated but it's the same thing, the difference between (A) and (B) leaves (X).
Two infinities: zero to one; and one to 'infinity'.
logarithms, exponents, circular/spherical mathematics, calculus, etc.

More accurate answers require more elaborate manipulations of more extreme ideas - as long as the answers tally up in reverse analysis, and are repeatable by others doing the same mental gymnastics, it is deemed proved or 'solved', or whatever.

Without humans, animals will still look out for other animals waiting to ambush them for their dinner, watching lone hunters and hunting packs equally intently to see if and when it is safe.

Not just 'it is', but how many, how fast, how big, etc.

Then we humans come along and give ones and twos etc. characters to be able to keep written records: one moon, one sun, ten children, 28 - 31 days, 100 villagers, 360 days, a thousand days/nights, then things are getting complicated for an uneducated goat herder.

It's all too complicated to understand and we are getting mystified, someone/something smarter than us must know about it, or even be in charge - give him/her/it a name. The 'one'.

That 'one' being must be powerful - all powerful - to understand the lights in the night sky, scary lightning, deadly volcanoes and earthquakes, why crops failed or wild herds didn't arrive this season, why the sun darkened in the middle of the day, etc.

If we appease or revere the 'one' maybe the drought, famine, epidemic will break.
Then some cunning person says he can hear the 'one' telling him what to do to make things better, and if you give him food, status, land, virgins, whatever, then he will intermediary with the 'one' on the communities behalf, and help the village prosper. But you have to think this way, do these things, don't do those things, and hey presto - religion and dogma wrapped around the belief in the 'one'.

If the droughts or floods or any catastrophy doesn't abate, you are not fulfilling the wishes of the 'one' correctly - it's your fault you unbeliever. Repent or die! - By the hand of men in the name of the 'one'.

Now run that scenario in different lands over different times/ages and you have religious diversity.
Then - my 'one' is better than your 'one' - conflict and war over control of belief.
No one has actually seen or heard the 'one' personally, but they don't want to be excluded from the 'in crowd', so they imagine or lie that they have also heard the 'one's' instructions, for social inclusion and self preservation.

We have more believers in our 'one' than your group has believers in your 'one'. Our one must be the best 'one'. And so on.

Thoughts, ideas, symbols, rituals, rules, writings, art, songs, but no proof of anything but the work of man.

I wonder where you get the information you believe?
Schumann resonances are the principal background in the part of the electromagnetic spectrum from 3 Hz through 60 Hz, and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83 Hz (fundamental), 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.
Solfeggio tones create music to calm an overactive mind and send us towards connecting with the divine. According to Dr. Leonard Horowitz, 528 Hertz is a frequency that is central to the “musical mathematical matrix of creation.” ... The Love frequency is the “Miracle” note of the original Solfeggio musical
The sound Om, when chanted, vibrates at the frequency of 432 Hz, which is the same vibrational frequency found throughout everything in nature. ~ debunked ~ 432 Hz seems to be just another number without any special significance over others. Tuning your music to a specific frequency will not unlock cosmic powers, or make your music sound better or worse.

On May 20, 1964, American radio astronomers Robert Wilson and Arno Penzias discovered the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB), the ancient light that began saturating the universe 380,000 years after its creation. And they did so pretty much by accident.
Knowing that light and sound are waveforms CMB can be tuned with radio and television. Just tune your dial off channel. That his you hear and see is CMB.





Natural frequency is the frequency at which a system tends to oscillate in the absence of any driving or damping force.
Since the Universe is dynamic with differing driving and damping forces at various degrees we can't know the baseline Universe frequency because our sample is tainted.
I looked for a physics site that supports the OM frequency as the Universe's baseline frequency but found nothing of any significance.
This tells me that 432Hz and any benefits derrived from it are purely imaginary. But the mind is capeable of many mysterious things. So while there may be no basis of scientific importance, there may be significant personal importance. And if it gives you contentment to hum OM, go for it.

Y'all are talking about what is known as Magnetic Pole Reversal which can be observed in geological samples by examining the direction of certain elements in the samples over different time periods.
Why these flip-flops happen at all is a great riddle, but a new hypothesis on the origins of the magnetic field could shed light on the reason. - http://www.livescience.com/2897-earth-magnetic-field-flip-flops.html

I wonder if the Sun goes thru a Magnetic Pole Reversal?
I wonder how such a 'flip' would effect Earth?

I like it

Your version goes well with my Caveman Bob tales.

Maybe we can get together, start our own religion, not pay taxes and have people send us large sums of money to comfort their souls?

I would guess not much, since it's happened lots of times in the past

Okay I'm definitely in way over my head, but surely without 0 , 1 loses its meaning. No opposite , no value. Like having to know sad to really know happy. I got the information about the sound from the sun newspaper, a notoriously bad rag, great soccer coverage though, and a calming post lunch 20 minute read. The 0 thing i got from the navhind times from an article about the concept going back 500 years than previously thought, also after lunch. Oh and as for om, well that's just what I picked up in general, can't say for sure. I like India. Their culture is so different yet so similar. I saw a Python in the wild, we looked each other square in the eye, it was magnificent, I felt very privileged. I'm sure it was female. I witnessed some strange and wonderful things. Ganesha chaturthi, wow ⚡⚡⚡☀☀☀

Yeah, I was wondering how a Solar Magnetic Pole Reversal would effect Earth. What it might look like, feel like from an Earth bound vantage point? Would we even know it was happening?
The Sun has magnetic storms all over it all the time.
Not even sure it could flip?

You can put one coin in your pocket but you can't put zero coin in your pocket. The coin has meaning because it exists.
The zero coin does not exist and has no meaning.
Substitute 'coin' with marble, stick, or any other object, it doesn't matter. The absence of an object has no meaning.
You pocket is complete without the object.
If a set of objects is missing a component the missing component is not zero. The set is incomplete. The void is not zero it is incomplete.

If you remove all the other components of the set from the void, the void still has no meaning. This is because zero, plus or minus zero has no value beginning, during or end. Its zero.
0x1=0
0x50,000=0
0x a trillion=0

0-1=0 (because nothing minus anything is still nothing)
0+1=1
1-0=1

2 divided by 0 = 2

I think it does, I remember reading about it once...since the sun is the most viewed object in our solar system, seems they would know something about it...

If it was your ten dollar lunch money you lost so your pocket was empty, that would have meaning, you would be hungry and your stomach would complain.

page 8 is refreshing and it's nice to see posters putting on their thinking caps



the reason I hammer mathematics like I do is due to how it has become science's crutch. an opinion is just an opinion. an observation is just an observation. an idea is just an idea. a definition is just a definition. but a fact does not become a theory until it can be verified with physics, or in the case of medicine...chemistry formulas.

science's proof in the pudding is multiple variations of mathematics. and it's why it emerges several fields into one category [researchers (biologists), architects (discoverers), idealists (philosophers), thinkers (soc/psychologists), inventors (engineers), problem solvers (mathematicians)]. and together, we have a body form similar to the field of science. but in all of those specific areas I applied to science, it is mathematics in forms of formulas, pie/graph charts, algorithms, time, distance, electromagnetics, gravity, density, chemistry, engineering, elements, physics, etc that give it its proofs.

so, you will always see my view from a mathematical point since it is the literal crutch of science!!

and I also apply mathematics to my faith in God.

it is no doubt that mathematics will fit anywhere. even your tombstone is a simple form of subtraction





be back soon. animal chores lol

If there ever was a Big Bang at all.

The Big Bang Theory has almost as many problems as proponents.

BBT never made much sense to me either... Maker more sense (imo) that the universe is trillions of years old....