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| Topic: can you describe God without sounding delusional | |
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since noone has never made a claim of seeing God or meeting God that wasn't deem as being certifiable then isn't it logical that God is just a happenstance of fantasy or delusion, this fact can be further proved when a believer attempt to describe God so can anyone describe God without the description sounding like that of delusion or the person making the description sounding irrational if you can not describe God without sounding delusional and yet insist on worshipping something unseen and incomprehensible that you can't even describe ... sounds delusional to me God is faith without faith you have no God |
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Not a good analogy. If he did, in fact, have a home, he could prove it, at least within reasonably acceptable parameters -- I see your point... However, in his initial post, he did not ask for proof. He said specifically.. "so can anyone describe God without the description sounding like that of delusion or the person making the description sounding irrational if you can not describe God without sounding delusional and yet insist on worshipping something unseen and incomprehensible that you can't even describe ... sounds delusional to me" He believes he has a home.. I don't. Based on his initial post, delusion is subjective. However, lets bring in the word proof... He could drag my butt across this country and into a front door. Show me a deed..I still may not believe him. For every piece of proof he presents, I could come up with an argument. My point is: In the grand scheme of things, What is the point? your analogy was bad...only you can "believe" I have a home..but I "know" that I have one and can present sufficient undisputable proof to prove it and if you took the time you can also find this out for yourself ...also homes exist and I didn't claim that my home created the universe |
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God is faith without faith you have no God faith is little more than self-hyponosis and/or wishful thinking |
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God is faith without faith you have no God faith is little more than self-hyponosis and/or wishful thinking are you sure can you elaborate is it wishful thinking to say talk to you tomorrow or is it faith |
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are you sure can you elaborate is it wishful thinking to say talk to you tomorrow or is it faith only if you have faith that tommorrow won't come |
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making an agreement is called a covenant
believing that the covenant will be kept is called trust or faith |
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are you sure can you elaborate is it wishful thinking to say talk to you tomorrow or is it faith only if you have faith that tommorrow won't come that does not answer the question |
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making an agreement is called a covenant believing that the covenant will be kept is called trust or faith faitn like trust only exist in one's mind and not beyond..just because you choose to trust someone doesn't mean they are trustworthy and faith is require to fool yourself into believing otherwise ..trust is one person attempting to control another with their values/faith and is little more than an attempted guilt trip |
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are you sure can you elaborate is it wishful thinking to say talk to you tomorrow or is it faith only if you have faith that tommorrow won't come that does not answer the question if does answer the question..either you have faith that tomorrow will come or don't you ..also it's a chance that you or I may not live until tomorrow ...that's why expressing faith is same as gambling on an outcome or wishful thinking |
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I can't order breakfast without sounding delusional
and I've SEEN God!  but the 80s were a little bit better to me than perhaps they should have been
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I can't order breakfast without sounding delusional and I've SEEN God! but the 80s were a little bit better to me than perhaps they should have been if you order a breakfast that was cooked on Jupiter maybe you would sound delusional ...and if you seen God then how about describing him to the forum ..of course try to do it without sounding delusional |
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To be able to choose IS free will... Tomorrow perhaps my friend, it is good to meet you... Have a good night... I must be off...  to be able to "choose" only means you get to make a decision that may result in the lesser consequences do you breath air because you have Free Will or because you have "no choice" if you want to live ..do you eat food because you have Free Will or because you have no choice if you want to live .. and can you eat any kind of food or breath any kind of air and live ...you are forced to do certain things in a certain way if you want to live ...the fact that you are forced to do things to live has nothing to do with being Free You don't have a choice to breath....so no free involved. However you do not have a choice about eating either. You do have a choice as to what you eat and that would be free choice. You also have a choice to do drugs and never eat and die....again free choice. You have a God given choice to either believe that He is or not believe. And the consequences of your choice will be eventually known. |
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You do have a choice as to what you eat and that would be free choice. wow..you get to eat anything you want..isn't that a good feeling? .unfortunely everyone on the planet is not fortunate like you and at this point in time is starving and have no choice as to what they eat if it can keep them alive the fact that you are forced to eat to live doesn't make a difference what you eat because either way you are forced to do it...the fact that you are forced to eat or forced to do anything to live is not Free Will Free Will is the ability to do as you please with no consequences ..if you choose not to eat there will be consequences |
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free will is the ability to choose but there are always consequences.
there is no choice without consequence |
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Mon 12/03/07 09:56 AM
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bunches said:
to be able to "choose" only means you get to make a decision that may result in the lesser consequences do you breath air because you have Free Will or because you have "no choice" if you want to live ..do you eat food because you have Free Will or because you have no choice if you want to live .. and can you eat any kind of food or breath any kind of air and live ...you are forced to do certain things in a certain way if you want to live ...the fact that you are forced to do things to live has nothing to do with being Free <<<<<<< Your attempt at using the same measure for completely different principles will surely only add confusion to all notions involved... First off, to be able to choose IS free will... it does not mean that one has to 'like' the choices at hand... Should they be less than desirable for an individual, only the individual can take the step(s) necessary to widen the choices... which once again IS the ability to choose, and create more suitable options... one step at a time... exercising free will... Nourish that which brings joy to the heart... with the heart... Your heart, my friend is the source of your life... or death... Create good emotion within... that multiplies... by spending time thinking about that which multiplies good... Beware of too much time spent thinking about that which does not produce good... For the amount of time spent will equally give birth to more of that which the time has been spent... >>>>>>> |
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free will is the ability to choose but there are always consequences. there is no choice without consequence so you think you have free will...well I will let you prove to yourself that you don't have it ...let's see if you have the free will to think your own rational thoughts ..tell the forum a rational thought that noone ever said ...surely if you have Free Will to choose your own rational thoughts this will be a simple task...I've give you until Christmas to come up with something.... tick tock tick tock |
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Mon 12/03/07 09:59 AM
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You do have a choice as to what you eat and that would be free choice. wow..you get to eat anything you want..isn't that a good feeling? .unfortunely everyone on the planet is not fortunate like you and at this point in time is starving and have no choice as to what they eat if it can keep them alive the fact that you are forced to eat to live doesn't make a difference what you eat because either way you are forced to do it...the fact that you are forced to eat or forced to do anything to live is not Free Will Free Will is the ability to do as you please with no consequences ..if you choose not to eat there will be consequences The point went right over...... |
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bunches said: First off, to be able to choose IS free will... then choose to fly to the moon without the aid of technology ..is gravity holding your back? but don't you have Free Will ..which means you are limited in the choices you can make ..you are under the jurisdictions of the laws of Physics ..if you hade Free Will the Laws of Physics wouldn't apply to you ..only Gods have Free Will human and the other species only get to choose from a limited set of options |
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bunches said: First off, to be able to choose IS free will... then choose to fly to the moon without the aid of technology ..is gravity holding your back? but don't you have Free Will ..which means you are limited in the choices you can make ..you are under the jurisdictions of the laws of Physics ..if you hade Free Will the Laws of Physics wouldn't apply to you ..only Gods have Free Will human and the other species only get to choose from a limited set of options Free will does not mean omnipotence. Free will The ability or discretion to choose; free choice Free will does not mean that you can make any choice, it means you can make any choice which is available. If you fall off a cliff, probably your only choices are to scream or to pray, but you have the ability to choose one of the two. If you are falling, you cannot choose to turn into a bird or to change the law of gravity so that you never hit the ground. Those options don't imply "free will", they imply omnipotence or at the least magic. |
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You do have a choice as to what you eat and that would be free choice. wow..you get to eat anything you want..isn't that a good feeling? .unfortunely everyone on the planet is not fortunate like you and at this point in time is starving and have no choice as to what they eat if it can keep them alive the fact that you are forced to eat to live doesn't make a difference what you eat because either way you are forced to do it...the fact that you are forced to eat or forced to do anything to live is not Free Will Free Will is the ability to do as you please with no consequences ..if you choose not to eat there will be consequences The point went right over...... right go make that point to the millions or people that are starving in the world that they have the Free Will to eat what they want |
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