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Topic: can you describe God without sounding delusional
Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sun 12/02/07 07:37 PM
Oh Hell. ....in a handbasket.

donna4mv Joined Sat 11/17/07 Posts: 54	Sun 12/02/07 07:41 PM
Funches, may I ask something in all seriousness? Please? I get the feeling that at sometime, you had your God, you felt close to your God, and you have been left, or been disappointed.... Do you feel your God failed you? I ask not in judgement, but to better understand you. Without insults, or innuendo, I am curious. I am not a Christian, I do not follow a Christian God, just so you know. nope your feeling is way off base on this one...I simply not a follower ..especially of unseen incomprehensible things i like you, Funches. i think you're fine as you are. i think there's more to you than you're letting on but i like you just the same. i guess because you can't understand why g-d allows suffering, you cannot accept him. i understand that. i, too, have questioned it but remember who runs this world (man). man is a very flawed creature who has caused suffering (pick up any history book) all because we have free-will. some choose to do cruel things. others suffer because of those cruel acts. what keeps us is hope, hope that the suffering will end. question: do you believe in gravity? i do, but i don't understand it either. you have no free will ..free will means you can do as you please without suffering any consequences ... i don't agree, there's nothing about consequences in free will. it about free choice "the ability or discretion to choose". consequences don't apply since they come after. if you're gonna choose to do bad things, bad things will happen to you (the law of karma; ever action has an equal reaction rule) which makes good sense to me.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 12/02/07 07:45 PM
This guy apparently needs God in his life. Do you need to see everything with your own eyes to believe it? -- Well, I don't. And, most especially, Who I am to question anything about God Himself? -- Who are we to question anything about God? And I am blessed that I feel the way I do about God. How do I describe God: All Powerful, All Knowledgeable, Always Present. May God be with you, buddy! You do need God in your life. I will pray for you. right I need God in my life just like "JOB" needed him ..you sound like a follower ..I guess if God told you to kill people you would...please don't say that God wouldn't interesting that you would say that. ever seen the movie "Frailty". good film, you should check it out. on another note: god knows how i feel about killing so he wouldn't ask me, but if someone were to come at me, i'd pray i'd have the strength to kill them if necessary. is that bad? i've alway questioned that story in the bible. how do we know it was g-d who asked the man (whose name slips my mind) to sacrifice his son. what if it was the trickster disguising his voice to seem like g-d? so then the trickster could have also said "I AM" ...and that is the point of this thread how would you know it was God and how would you know it is the God in the bible or are followers suppose to follow the first enity that say it is God and why would God not ask you to kill when he asked someone to place their child on the altar with the quest of murdering the child ..even angels supposely kill for God

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 12/02/07 07:51 PM
Funches, may I ask something in all seriousness? Please? I get the feeling that at sometime, you had your God, you felt close to your God, and you have been left, or been disappointed.... Do you feel your God failed you? I ask not in judgement, but to better understand you. Without insults, or innuendo, I am curious. I am not a Christian, I do not follow a Christian God, just so you know. nope your feeling is way off base on this one...I simply not a follower ..especially of unseen incomprehensible things i like you, Funches. i think you're fine as you are. i think there's more to you than you're letting on but i like you just the same. i guess because you can't understand why g-d allows suffering, you cannot accept him. i understand that. i, too, have questioned it but remember who runs this world (man). man is a very flawed creature who has caused suffering (pick up any history book) all because we have free-will. some choose to do cruel things. others suffer because of those cruel acts. what keeps us is hope, hope that the suffering will end. question: do you believe in gravity? i do, but i don't understand it either. you have no free will ..free will means you can do as you please without suffering any consequences ... i don't agree, there's nothing about consequences in free will. it about free choice "the ability or discretion to choose". consequences don't apply since they come after. if you're gonna choose to do bad things, bad things will happen to you (the law of karma; ever action has an equal reaction rule) which makes good sense to me. if you have free will then so do all the animals ..don't they make decisions to do as they please ..Free Will means you are not under the jurisdiction of the outsides forces which are the laws of soceity the laws of physics or the laws of a God if you believe..

donna4mv Joined Sat 11/17/07 Posts: 54	Sun 12/02/07 08:02 PM
This guy apparently needs God in his life. Do you need to see everything with your own eyes to believe it? -- Well, I don't. And, most especially, Who I am to question anything about God Himself? -- Who are we to question anything about God? And I am blessed that I feel the way I do about God. How do I describe God: All Powerful, All Knowledgeable, Always Present. May God be with you, buddy! You do need God in your life. I will pray for you. right I need God in my life just like "JOB" needed him ..you sound like a follower ..I guess if God told you to kill people you would...please don't say that God wouldn't interesting that you would say that. ever seen the movie "Frailty". good film, you should check it out. on another note: god knows how i feel about killing so he wouldn't ask me, but if someone were to come at me, i'd pray i'd have the strength to kill them if necessary. is that bad? i've alway questioned that story in the bible. how do we know it was g-d who asked the man (whose name slips my mind) to sacrifice his son. what if it was the trickster disguising his voice to seem like g-d? so then the trickster could have also said "I AM" ...and that is the point of this thread how would you know it was God and how would you know it is the God in the bible or are followers suppose to follow the first enity that say it is God and why would God not ask you to kill when he asked someone to place their child on the altar with the quest of murdering the child ..even angels supposely kill for God that's why i like you funches. we don't know and will probably never know. again, all i have is faith. the bible was written by man (with man's views and prejudices) so i don't study it and i don't necessarily accept it as the final word of g-d. i just believe without having to see because i associate g-d with hope. just as i believe that there is a g-d, i believe there is a trickster causing us to lose faith, question g-d's existence and so on. i would hope that g-d would not ask me to kill anyone but i pray that if someone comes at me, he'll give me the strength to kill them first. of course, g-d would have an army of angels. he's a leader who must assure the protection his people but i've never seen an angel and i've never seen one slay anything or anyone so i can't really speak on that

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sun 12/02/07 08:02 PM
Then I have free will.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 12/02/07 08:08 PM
i can do whatever i want. what do i want?

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sun 12/02/07 08:10 PM
I want it ALL....

donna4mv Joined Sat 11/17/07 Posts: 54	Sun 12/02/07 08:11 PM
Funches, may I ask something in all seriousness? Please? I get the feeling that at sometime, you had your God, you felt close to your God, and you have been left, or been disappointed.... Do you feel your God failed you? I ask not in judgement, but to better understand you. Without insults, or innuendo, I am curious. I am not a Christian, I do not follow a Christian God, just so you know. nope your feeling is way off base on this one...I simply not a follower ..especially of unseen incomprehensible things i like you, Funches. i think you're fine as you are. i think there's more to you than you're letting on but i like you just the same. i guess because you can't understand why g-d allows suffering, you cannot accept him. i understand that. i, too, have questioned it but remember who runs this world (man). man is a very flawed creature who has caused suffering (pick up any history book) all because we have free-will. some choose to do cruel things. others suffer because of those cruel acts. what keeps us is hope, hope that the suffering will end. question: do you believe in gravity? i do, but i don't understand it either. you have no free will ..free will means you can do as you please without suffering any consequences ... i don't agree, there's nothing about consequences in free will. it about free choice "the ability or discretion to choose". consequences don't apply since they come after. if you're gonna choose to do bad things, bad things will happen to you (the law of karma; ever action has an equal reaction rule) which makes good sense to me. if you have free will then so do all the animals ..don't they make decisions to do as they please ..Free Will means you are not under the jurisdiction of the outsides forces which are the laws of soceity the laws of physics or the laws of a God if you believe.. of course we have free will. watch the news, we all have free will. suicide is part of free will. what keeps us from acting out in certain ways, is the fear that society places on us (jail time for robberies, if caught; retaliation from others who oppose and so on) but that all falls under consequences which don't apply to free will. i follow a simple motto (do what ye will, harm none). it's a wiccan motto--i think but doesn't mean i'm a bad christian for following that belief.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 12/02/07 08:12 PM
This guy apparently needs God in his life. Do you need to see everything with your own eyes to believe it? -- Well, I don't. And, most especially, Who I am to question anything about God Himself? -- Who are we to question anything about God? And I am blessed that I feel the way I do about God. How do I describe God: All Powerful, All Knowledgeable, Always Present. May God be with you, buddy! You do need God in your life. I will pray for you. right I need God in my life just like "JOB" needed him ..you sound like a follower ..I guess if God told you to kill people you would...please don't say that God wouldn't interesting that you would say that. ever seen the movie "Frailty". good film, you should check it out. on another note: god knows how i feel about killing so he wouldn't ask me, but if someone were to come at me, i'd pray i'd have the strength to kill them if necessary. is that bad? i've alway questioned that story in the bible. how do we know it was g-d who asked the man (whose name slips my mind) to sacrifice his son. what if it was the trickster disguising his voice to seem like g-d? so then the trickster could have also said "I AM" ...and that is the point of this thread how would you know it was God and how would you know it is the God in the bible or are followers suppose to follow the first enity that say it is God and why would God not ask you to kill when he asked someone to place their child on the altar with the quest of murdering the child ..even angels supposely kill for God that's why i like you funches. we don't know and will probably never know. again, all i have is faith. the bible was written by man (with man's views and prejudices) so i don't study it and i don't necessarily accept it as the final word of g-d. i just believe without having to see because i associate g-d with hope. just as i believe that there is a g-d, i believe there is a trickster causing us to lose faith, question g-d's existence and so on. i would hope that g-d would not ask me to kill anyone but i pray that if someone comes at me, he'll give me the strength to kill them first. of course, g-d would have an army of angels. he's a leader who must assure the protection his people but i've never seen an angel and i've never seen one slay anything or anyone so i can't really speak on that even if it was a trickster involve wouldn't the trickster be part of God's divine plan ...and besides wouldn't God know what would happen Eons before it happen so why would he need anyone to kill ..why would a God need anything from leseer creatures than himself

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 12/02/07 08:15 PM
of course we have free will. watch the news, we all have free will. suicide is part of free will. what keeps us from acting out in certain ways, is the fear that society places on us (jail time for robberies, if caught; retaliation from others who oppose and so on) but that all falls under consequences which don't apply to free will. i follow a simple motto (do what ye will, harm none). it's a wiccan motto--i think but doesn't mean i'm a bad christian for following that belief. ok...let me show you how you don't have free will..you don't even have the free will to think your own thoughts ..to disprove this tell the forum a rational thought that noone else ever said

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sun 12/02/07 08:22 PM
funches said: ok...let me show you how you don't have free will..you don't even have the free will to think your own thoughts ..to disprove this tell the forum a rational thought that noone else ever said <<<<<<< Funches, it seems to me that you have been asking loaded questions all night... questions that you believe you already have the answers for... Tell me what you see in this post of mine...if you would, Emptiness of "thief teachings" leads to an understanding which allows the recognition of that which was stolen to be known as the unborn self... what could have been... Humility builds the bridge between the two... the self as taught and it's unborn self... Which will then give birth to the unborn. And the infant grows and begins to forget who it was... while remembering who it was meant to be... For when one finds themself, they will lose all which was not.

donna4mv Joined Sat 11/17/07 Posts: 54	Sun 12/02/07 08:25 PM
This guy apparently needs God in his life. Do you need to see everything with your own eyes to believe it? -- Well, I don't. And, most especially, Who I am to question anything about God Himself? -- Who are we to question anything about God? And I am blessed that I feel the way I do about God. How do I describe God: All Powerful, All Knowledgeable, Always Present. May God be with you, buddy! You do need God in your life. I will pray for you. right I need God in my life just like "JOB" needed him ..you sound like a follower ..I guess if God told you to kill people you would...please don't say that God wouldn't interesting that you would say that. ever seen the movie "Frailty". good film, you should check it out. on another note: god knows how i feel about killing so he wouldn't ask me, but if someone were to come at me, i'd pray i'd have the strength to kill them if necessary. is that bad? i've alway questioned that story in the bible. how do we know it was g-d who asked the man (whose name slips my mind) to sacrifice his son. what if it was the trickster disguising his voice to seem like g-d? so then the trickster could have also said "I AM" ...and that is the point of this thread how would you know it was God and how would you know it is the God in the bible or are followers suppose to follow the first enity that say it is God and why would God not ask you to kill when he asked someone to place their child on the altar with the quest of murdering the child ..even angels supposely kill for God that's why i like you funches. we don't know and will probably never know. again, all i have is faith. the bible was written by man (with man's views and prejudices) so i don't study it and i don't necessarily accept it as the final word of g-d. i just believe without having to see because i associate g-d with hope. just as i believe that there is a g-d, i believe there is a trickster causing us to lose faith, question g-d's existence and so on. i would hope that g-d would not ask me to kill anyone but i pray that if someone comes at me, he'll give me the strength to kill them first. of course, g-d would have an army of angels. he's a leader who must assure the protection his people but i've never seen an angel and i've never seen one slay anything or anyone so i can't really speak on that even if it was a trickster involve wouldn't the trickster be part of God's divine plan ...and besides wouldn't God know what would happen Eons before it happen so why would he need anyone to kill ..why would a God need anything from leseer creatures than himself we call him father and we pray to him for help, for strength during hard times and for faith and he serves us. who says he thinks of us being lesser creatures than himself?

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sun 12/02/07 08:28 PM
Gawd enough with the quote boxes already. All I can see is people so deep in their box, they cant see daylight... Oh, or is that what you are trying to express?

donna4mv Joined Sat 11/17/07 Posts: 54	Sun 12/02/07 08:30 PM
of course we have free will. watch the news, we all have free will. suicide is part of free will. what keeps us from acting out in certain ways, is the fear that society places on us (jail time for robberies, if caught; retaliation from others who oppose and so on) but that all falls under consequences which don't apply to free will. i follow a simple motto (do what ye will, harm none). it's a wiccan motto--i think but doesn't mean i'm a bad christian for following that belief. ok...let me show you how you don't have free will..you don't even have the free will to think your own thoughts ..to disprove this tell the forum a rational thought that noone else ever said didn't i already do that? my 1st post was about the image of g-d. to show how we were made in his image, i mentioned something that others may find a bit controversial. i believe that if you want to know what g-d looks like, take alook in the mirror. is that a repeat?

donna4mv Joined Sat 11/17/07 Posts: 54	Sun 12/02/07 08:33 PM
Funches, you are one fascinating man. i wish i could chat some more but i have to go to bed since it's 11:33 over here and i have to get ready for work in the morning.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 12/02/07 08:33 PM
funches said: ok...let me show you how you don't have free will..you don't even have the free will to think your own thoughts ..to disprove this tell the forum a rational thought that noone else ever said <<<<<<< Funches, it seems to me that you have been asking loaded questions all night... questions that you believe you already have the answers for... Tell me what you see in this post of mine...if you would, Emptiness of "thief teachings" leads to an understanding which allows the recognition of that which was stolen to be known as the unborn self... what could have been... Humility builds the bridge between the two... the self as taught and it's unborn self... Which will then give birth to the unborn. And the infant grows and begins to forget who it was... while remembering who it was meant to be... For when one finds themself, they will lose all which was not. that everyone lives under a false identity that has been influenced upon them from infancy ..noone truely know who they are or was meant to be simply because they don't have the free will or know how to obtain the free will to do so

donna4mv Joined Sat 11/17/07 Posts: 54	Sun 12/02/07 08:33 PM
good night to you all. Funches, i hope to chat with you in more forums like this.

wouldee Joined Sun 10/07/07 Posts: 5335	Sun 12/02/07 08:34 PM
they can stack to 100. The only one that would help was Yokoke. I wanted to go higher that the 21 I had before. But yokie?....NO!!! Yokie had to go to 100.

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sun 12/02/07 08:34 PM
Hmmm... a generalisation, methinks. NOT everybody. Some have found the key.