now buleshi

you know it aint so

if it was there would be more

european troops in iraq

I knew it! I knew it...I taught I taw a ***** tat.LOL LEEEEEEEE.

I was trying to help the cause. I hope there was no misconception.

A I see it: They are so named by tribe? Inuit wants to be called what they themselves have always been to themselves, and the others can adhere to what the Anglos have so named them? To be combined is easier for "us" than the true name, or names? But are called Eskimo by us and many others because it easier to say one name than to rememeber Inuit? So, why were we not taught this in the beginning? We have names for all the United States Indian tribes as individuals? Alaska is part of that. I wish I had learned the difference.

Kat

Crap! They cut it out. It was supposed to say puddy tat,anyway.
Kat

we are still back to

indian === who said indian it is also a misconception
but it is what it is

not all eskimos are inuit

but all inuit are eskimos

same as

not all indians are sioux

but all sioux are indian

i did not make it so

it is so just the same

adj...they are called "Eskimo" because Anglos saw fit to call them that.
Kat

and why are indians called indians

and what do they call them (eskimos)

in other areas of the world

it does not matter who did

the fact is it is the way it is

should they also be called asian american

because they got there because they crossed th land bridge of the being strait

Hang on...I actually did research that. I can't remember what it said though. I will look and see why Indians are called Indians.
Kat

The Inuit Circumpolar Conference defines its constituency to include Canada's Inuit and Inuvialuit, Greenland's Kalaallit people, Alaska's Inupiaq and Yupik people, and Russia's Yupik. However, the Yupik are not Inuit in the sense of being descended from the Thule and prefer to be called Yupik or Eskimo.

http://www.crystalinks.com/inuit.html

Oh yea, Christopher Columbus called then Indians.
Kat

The term Indians as applied to Native Americans, or the indigenous peoples of the Americas, is thought to have originated in a misconception on the part of the Europeans who arrived in Central America in 1492. Since Christopher Columbus began his journey to America with the intent of finding an alternate route to Southeast Asia, he is said to have assumed that the people he came into contact with upon reaching land were Indians. Despite the fact that people probably realized this mistake within hours, the name remained in use. Similarly, the islands in Central America came to be called the "West Indies", as opposed to the "East Indies" that Columbus originally had in mind as his destination.

In the 1970s, the academic world began promoting the term Native Americans as a politically correct alternative to Indians. Some people feel that Native Americans is more accurate and less stigmatizing. However, Native Americans also has some issues, as anyone born in the Americas, indigenous or not, could be considered "Native American" if the term is taken literally. "Indigenous peoples of the Americas" is the most accurate term, but too cumbersome to be used regularly in everyday speech. Native Americans caught on to some degree, especially in the media, but the term Indians is still widely used.

Native Americans continue to refer to themselves as Indians, especially those of older generations. In addition, American Indian is the official legal term used in the United States. Indians can also be a useful term because it traditionally does not include the indigenous people of Hawaii or Alaska, a distinction not present in the term Native Americans.

The correct way to refer to Native Americans will probably continue to be debated well into the foreseeable future. However, for better or worse, Indians has certainly pervaded legal, literary, and vernacular language in both North and South America. It's strange to think that such an entrenched word is most likely based on a mistake.

Kat

Eskimo

In Eskimo Inuktitut, the language of the Inuit people, "Inuit" means "the people". The English word "Eskimo" is a Native American word which is widely believed to mean "eater of raw meat" (although this meaning is disputed). Many Inuit consider the word Eskimo offensive, but it is still in general usage to refer to all Eskimo peoples, though it has fallen into disuse throughout Canada, where Canadians use the term Inuit.

http://www.crystalinks.com/inuit.html

exactly kat

your post is exactly what i have been saying and said 6 posts ago


we seem to be discussing semantics

se·man·tics (s-mntks)
n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
1. Linguistics The study or science of meaning in language.
2. Linguistics The study of relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent. Also called semasiology.
3. The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form: We're basically agreed; let's not quibble over semantics.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/semantics

adj...I am sorry, but I thought you were trying to say that they are named that and we named them that and just deal with it. I was just saying that they do not agree nor like it. Why should they have to be called a name that they do not care for just because it is convienient to do so by us?

It is my contention that if they rather be called by another name, then so be it. It is their choice..not ours. It is not our duty as Anglos to force anything on anyone because we choose so.

Kat

The 1960s saw Inuit society at its lowest point in history. According to anthropologist Diamond Jenness writing in 1964:

[The Inuit] are a fragmented amorphous race that lacks all sense of history, inherits no pride of ancestry, and discerns no glory in past events or past achievements [...] Now at last, they are emerging; but with their long background of fragmentation it seems to me very doubtful that any school instruction, or any educational "propaganda", can revive their drooping morale...

(Eskimo Administration. Technical Paper 14, Arctic Institute of North America.)

However, the roots of Inuit political organization date to shortly after Jenness wrote those words.In the 1960s, the Canadian government funded the establishment of secular, government-operated high schools in the Northwest Territories and Inuit areas in Quebec and Labrador.

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note this

(Eskimo Administration. Technical Paper 14, Arctic Institute of North America.)

this is a really informative site
ya should check it out

i am learning a lot

http://www.crystalinks.com/inuit.html

kat

you have done nothing that i feel you need to

give an apology to me for

i think that good honest debate not only educates

the debaters but those who follow it as well

so for those of you reading

find some info and join in

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

Thats where the information that started this thread came from! I forget who asked, Hiker! It has all the links to the various sources accessed to gain the information!

Read it, then call it fake! If you cant prove its fake then dont say it is!! Its the facts whether the bleeding hearts want to believe it or not!

Denial is futile and self destructive!

The GAO summarrizes;

The briefing slides in enclosure I address each of our three questions.
In summary, for our study population of 55,322 illegal aliens, we found
that:

* They were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about
8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-
eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent
(about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about
15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after
1990.

* They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses,
averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may
include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly
one and half times more offenses than arrests.[Footnote 6] Almost all
of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly
more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10
offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration
offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as
burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage.
About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery,
assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other
offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence;
fraud--including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and
obstruction of justice.

* Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states--California,
Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests
occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.

Agency Comments and Our Evaluation:

The Departments of Justice and Homeland Security reviewed a draft of
this report and had technical comments, which we incorporated as
appropriate.

We are sending copies to the Departments of Justice and Homeland
Security and interested congressional committees, and we will make
copies available to others who request them. In addition, the report
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If you or your staff have any questions concerning this report, please
contact me at (202) 512-8816 or by e-mail at Stanar@gao.gov or Michael
Dino, Assistant Director, at (213) 830-1150 or Dinom@gao.gov. Key
contributors to this report were Amy Bernstein, Ann H. Finley, Evan
Gilman, Frederick Lyles, Jr., Jan Montgomery, Karen O'Conor, Jason
Schwartz, and Laura Czohara.

Sincerely yours,

Signed by:

Richard M. Stana,
Director, Homeland Security and Justice Issues:


Once again to hate me, hate the facts!!

Here is more, it has to do with,
well just readit:

More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens.
More than 41% of all unemployment checks issued in the United States are to illegal aliens.

hey fanta

can you post the link

and sorry we got side tracked

sorta anyway

Now this veteran, this defender of America and Americans way of life, is through!

Argueing with a blind minority that lets their bleeding hearts rule their mental facilities is a waste of time!

I will be content knowing that 83% of all Americans feel as I do! The non-Americans, Who cares!!

Adj are you blind? Sorry, but its right on the top of the post!

Sorry...I just saw in there somewhere---where it was said something about "giving our country away". Give our country away? It belongs to all of us. This country was obtained by ill gotton gain in the first place.

I wish this land of people would just live and love, and carry on in the way we were meant too.

There are just too many other important things that are life threatening right now to worry about citizenship first. Our world is in imminent danger from outside forces wanting to kill and cause harm to us.
Shouldn't we be taking care of that first? Spending so much time on these matters that take up time and resources takes away from what we should be worrying about now. Spend that money on homeless, children without homes and parents. The hungry.The jobless.

I have had my country severly injured by those in foreign lands.
Wishing death and destruction on us as a whole. Those, are my fears as of now.
Kat