Propaganda is B*ITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!Shame, shame, shame. You should not have let me read it.

Fanta, if you go to the following site you will see examples of the type of fear/hate based reaction I was talking about. Those few with the 'kill/enslave' attitude are what starts a real problem.


http://capoliticalnews.com/s/spip.php?article25



I do state that they are a few and that most are having pretty much the same discussion we are having here.

Karma there are no stats on that but the report they are reporting as a "federal statistic" is a gathering of info from 55,322 illegals who had been incarcerated as far back as 2002 and they are compiling the types of crimes those individuals were convicted of. It was probably all the illegals identified in 2005 as criminals in the first place and then for them to post it as a national percetage, oh the travesty of it all. Shame on them.

Ill look karma, but like Ive said, I live here and I know there are a few, very few, but a few nonetheless!

I am the first one to tell them to STFU when they do so in my presence!!

As am I. The problem becomes of course just just as reasonable people can discuss subjects on the net so can they. Add to that the fact that there are several 'organizations' which would welcome them and use them to start problems (as happened in Germany). There is no shortage of such groups in any country.

Propaganda, untrue, all lies, if you want verification read the link they added here to their own demise.

I agree, karma!
Ignorance works from both sides too!

Dragon the facts are real. Just because in your hate filled, short sighted opinion you say they arent doesnt make them not!

Find a report that disputes it. Ill read it, and comment, with respect, about it.

Untill then leave the insults and accussations of lying to your self!

Thank you for your cooperation!!

Read it!!!!!!!READ IT MAN, before you base your reputation on it....READ IT!!!!!!!!!

There are many churches that are stepping up for the cause, or in the name of God. Catholic, Southern Baptist, as well as uh....uh oh forgot. Anyway they are using scripture to make that stand. They are saying they will not harbour them but will not turn them away when in need of help.

Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God....4 But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.


Kat

you said 55,322, right? But you omitted that it was 55,322 criminals who they pulled the rap sheets on and made the report of which crimes they committed. You laid it out as a national average, lie, and you pushed it as a national average, lie. Come on man. I was just going from gut on mine because I see alot of racists coming on board this band wagon, it is the new lynching American style. If you are going to post it post it in it's entirety so nothing is missed. I read the full report not the one on the little web thing you posted. I went to the offical site and pulled up the whole 29 page report because I could not believe the stats. What do I find, they are not national stats but the rap sheets of 55,322 criminals, illegal alien criminals, I will give you that, but not a national average, not even close to a national average. Sorry but it is not true as a national average, not one iota.

In Fanta's defense Dragoness. This is the original post and no where on here does he state that it is a national average. That is why I requested said figure. Note that as yet I have not been given it nor have I been able to find it.

Oh and on that post, I found sites disputing those figures as some kind of made up stuff. None of those can be verified either. I would caution anyone reading it to remember that. It appears someone is making up statistics and throwing them around as real when they are not verifiable.

The accuracy of the post was also discussed earlier. The link given to Snopes and showing that it was contained in a letter from a constituent to a Senator Shelby (R-AL).

Besides that just look at them, they are not even realistic in the least. One can tell that from just looking. I am still convinced the propaganda is racist in nature, you will not defer me from that belief. There is no other reason to attack others with that fervor if it is not racially motivated.

Goal 1: Identify and remove criminal aliens, fugitives and other immigration

violators
Identify and remove incarcerated criminal aliens -- The prisons and jails in this country are estimated to book roughly 630,000 foreign-born nationals on criminal charges annually. Too often, the criminal aliens among this population are not removed from the country upon completion of their criminal sentences, but released into society. To combat this problem, ICE will expand its Criminal Alien Program and its 287(g) agreements with state/local correctional institutions to ensure these aliens are properly identified while in jail and removed immediately after serving their sentences. Currently, there are four correctional/detention facilities around the country that participate in the 287(g) program, while numerous agencies have pending requests with ICE for such agreements.

Locate and remove immigration fugitives -- There are more than 590,000 aliens at large in this country who are fugitives that have been ordered removed by an immigration judge. This number is increasing at a rate of more than 40,000 each year. ICE Fugitive Operations teams are charged with tasked with locating and arresting these fugitives. Since ICE was created in March 2003, these teams have arrested more than 42,000 aliens, of which 31,000 were fugitives. More than 29,000 of these individuals have been removed from the country. To help combat this problem, ICE will expand the number of Fugitive Operations teams from the existing 35 teams to 52 teams by the end of this fiscal year, with an additional 1,000 arrests projected per team, per year. The goal for ICE Fugitive Operation team arrests this fiscal year is approximately 25,000 arrests. ICE also plans to open a Fugitive Operation Support Center to assist field agents and officers in record checks and processing real-time leads from national computer databases.

Target and remove visa violators – A substantial portion of the illegal aliens in this country are visa violators, with an estimated 165,000 new visa violations occurring annually. ICE created the Compliance Enforcement Unit in June 2003 to focus on high-risk visa violators by using new computer systems such as the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS) to flag violators. Since its inception, this unit has sent more than 10,000 leads to ICE field offices resulting in 2,100 arrests. ICE will be expanding the capacity of this unit and other visa compliance efforts of its field offices. The Fiscal Year 2007 budget request seeks an additional $10 million for ICE compliance enforcement efforts. Last year, ICE arrested more than 6,000 visa violators nationwide.

Target and remove aliens that pose criminal / national security threats – There are numerous illegal aliens at large in this country that pose criminal and/or national security threats. ICE has created several programs to combat this problem. ICE’s Operation Community Shield targets foreign-born gang members and has resulted in the arrest of 2,400 gang members since its inception in 2005. ICE has requested 322 position enhancements for Operation Community Shield in Fiscal Year 2007. ICE also launched Operation Predator in 2003 to target, among others, illegal alien child sex offenders. This effort has resulted in more than 7,500 arrests, most of whom were alien child sex offenders. ICE also has more than 200 agents assigned to the nation’s Joint Terrorism Task Forces. Last year, these agents made roughly 270 arrests for criminal or administrative immigration charges.

This is the Dept of homeland security homepage!

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/press_release_0890.shtm

This is a cool site too!

You Don't Speak for Me formed when Col. Al Rodriguez became fed up watching media coverage of the mass protests of April. "Their leaders were saying it was a march for immigrant rights and a Latino/Hispanic movement," says Rodriguez. "I thought to myself, 'Hey, those are illegal aliens, not immigrants!'" Col. Rodriguez began speaking out to others saying, "I'm of Hispanic ancestry and those people are acting like they speak for me. Well, you don't speak for me!"

Col. Rodriguez began asking others to help him reach more people who felt the same way and You Don't Speak for Me formed from this loose coalition of individuals. It is a group of concerned Americans of Hispanic/Latino heritage, some first or second generation, others recent legal immigrants, who believe illegal immigration harms America and a guest worker amnesty will do the same.

http://www.dontspeakforme.org/ourstory.html

Call them prejudice and racist!

Two great Americans.
One a founding father!

Alexander Hamilton opposed granting citizenship immediately to new immigrants: "To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens, the moment they foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty." Instead, he recommended that we gradually draw newcomers into American life, "to enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of a philosophy, at least, of their feeling a real interest in our affairs."

Theodore Roosevelt wrote: "In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birth place, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here."


http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

Also a good link!

I will say this again for clarification, the propaganda used to fan this issue is racist, bigoted, ignorant. I have at no point said "________ you are a racist". I believe the information used to fan the fire is racist in nature and comes from racist who are trying to continue their cause.