Topic: Another cop/teen shooting in St. Louis
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Fri 08/21/15 08:45 PM

Ok Peter Parker, get Cyclops and Robocop on a conference call and have them analyze the background in that photo and how many laws he broke being photographed with a gun. Also have them run the serials through the nonexistent National registry to see who owns the gun and whether or not it was reported stolen and by who.
Ill be honest...youre always all over the place with your posts, and its hard to follow your reasoning.....if you actually have any reasoning, that is.
Truth is, if the guy didnt point a gun at LEOs, he'd still be alive today. But you go ahead and tin foil hat a non-existent story together. Have fun with your spinning. Buh-bye.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/21/15 09:01 PM
Blue Lives\Cops Lives Matter!

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/21/15 09:03 PM


I am confused...

What happens if a black officer kills a black civilian and vice versa?


it is still BLUE on black crime, the uniform AGAINST the 'threat'

if it is black(or any other color) on blue, SWIFT justice is dispensed in the name of the officer,,,





You better watch what you say going forward in this thread. Your hatred of Law Enforcement is not needed here. I lost a good friend this week in the line of duty who saved the lives of three children, a battered woman and the lives of several officers.

You do NOT know the dangers these men and women face the moment they get in their vehicle and acknowledge their first call of the shift.

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Fri 08/21/15 09:06 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Fri 08/21/15 09:06 PM

dang, he kind of looks like my son too,, no joking

and I can see my son getting to a point where he felt a need to maintain an 'image' in videos, cause he does music

I doubt he would have anything actually loaded in that scenario though


lots of musicians stay alive by not pointing guns at cops... and he can still feed the image in other ways...

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Fri 08/21/15 09:35 PM
Edited by germanchoclate1981 on Fri 08/21/15 09:38 PM



I am confused...

What happens if a black officer kills a black civilian and vice versa?


it is still BLUE on black crime, the uniform AGAINST the 'threat'

if it is black(or any other color) on blue, SWIFT justice is dispensed in the name of the officer,,,





You better watch what you say going forward in this thread. Your hatred of Law Enforcement is not needed here. I lost a good friend this week in the line of duty who saved the lives of three children, a battered woman and the lives of several officers.

You do NOT know the dangers these men and women face the moment they get in their vehicle and acknowledge their first call of the shift.

Untrue. Some of us know personally the dangers they face and worse. We appreciate the good that police do and I am sorry to hear about your friend. No BS. I know that pain, I lost brothers in arms I knew personally in Iraq Afghanistan and as I said in other posts one of my doctors Michael Cahill died on Ft Hood. We know that not all police do things like this.

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Fri 08/21/15 09:55 PM


I am confused...

What happens if a black officer kills a black civilian and vice versa?


it is still BLUE on black crime, the uniform AGAINST the 'threat'

if it is black(or any other color) on blue, SWIFT justice is dispensed in the name of the officer,,,



So the issue isn't about black subjugation, but about overall police brutality...?

germanchoclate1981's photo
Fri 08/21/15 10:24 PM



I am confused...

What happens if a black officer kills a black civilian and vice versa?


it is still BLUE on black crime, the uniform AGAINST the 'threat'

if it is black(or any other color) on blue, SWIFT justice is dispensed in the name of the officer,,,



So the issue isn't about black subjugation, but about overall police brutality...?

This particular thread I would say no. In Ferguson, no. Broken down to the level of brutality, nationwide, I would say police brutality is a problem. In Ferguson in particular brutality doesn't begin to explain it.

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Fri 08/21/15 10:43 PM
This particular thread I would say no. In
Ferguson, no. Broken down to the level of
brutality, nationwide, I would say police
brutality is a problem. In Ferguson in particular
brutality doesn't begin to explain it.
Ikr?! Beyond brutal that thugs run rampant and firing guns at each other only to end up killing a beautiful 9y/o girl just trying to do her homework.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 08/21/15 11:24 PM




I am confused...

What happens if a black officer kills a black civilian and vice versa?


it is still BLUE on black crime, the uniform AGAINST the 'threat'

if it is black(or any other color) on blue, SWIFT justice is dispensed in the name of the officer,,,



So the issue isn't about black subjugation, but about overall police brutality...?

This particular thread I would say no. In Ferguson, no. Broken down to the level of brutality, nationwide, I would say police brutality is a problem. In Ferguson in particular brutality doesn't begin to explain it.


true, but your letting the media dictate your reactions... it happens to every race, while you just focus on stupid thugs that are probably better off dead in the first place... over 1000 people have died at the hands of the police so far this year, and about 30% of those were blacks... and blacks being killed by police has steadily dropped since 1986...

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3180/what-s-the-racial-breakdown-of-people-killed-by-cops


Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/21/15 11:54 PM




I am confused...

What happens if a black officer kills a black civilian and vice versa?


it is still BLUE on black crime, the uniform AGAINST the 'threat'

if it is black(or any other color) on blue, SWIFT justice is dispensed in the name of the officer,,,





You better watch what you say going forward in this thread. Your hatred of Law Enforcement is not needed here. I lost a good friend this week in the line of duty who saved the lives of three children, a battered woman and the lives of several officers.

You do NOT know the dangers these men and women face the moment they get in their vehicle and acknowledge their first call of the shift.

Untrue. Some of us know personally the dangers they face and worse. We appreciate the good that police do and I am sorry to hear about your friend. No BS. I know that pain, I lost brothers in arms I knew personally in Iraq Afghanistan and as I said in other posts one of my doctors Michael Cahill died on Ft Hood. We know that not all police do things like this.


Not many in Law Enforcement do this at all. Deputy Howell saved a lot of lives after being mortally wounded, he could have probably survived if he didn't stay in place and keep shooting.

I am sick of all these police are evil posts and threads. Everyday they walk out that door they don't know if they are going to walk back in.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Sat 08/22/15 01:15 AM
If we had better gun control laws and harsher penalties for the people illegally redistributing them she'd still be alive. She's not the first child to be claimed by stray bullets. I'm sure no one there is getting drugs from the source either. They have to be imported and trafficked to their destinations. Synthetic and chemically processed drugs are obtained from outside the US, with the exception of meth and pharmaceuticals.
Problem there is some people don't want any gun control or accountability for 'evidence' or the actions corrupt police take.
There are also sick people who enjoy watching the country rip itself to shreds. They are ignorant enough to believe that things like this will never happen where they live, hurt or kill someone that they care about. They're wrong and they are outnumbered. The end of their ignorance won't be blissful.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Sat 08/22/15 02:14 AM

Untrue. Some of us know personally the dangers they face and worse. We appreciate the good that police do and I am sorry to hear about your friend. No BS. I know that pain, I lost brothers in arms I knew personally in Iraq Afghanistan and as I said in other posts one of my doctors Michael Cahill died on Ft Hood. We know that not all police do things like this.


Not many in Law Enforcement do this at all. Deputy Howell saved a lot of lives after being mortally wounded, he could have probably survived if he didn't stay in place and keep shooting.

I am sick of all these police are evil posts and threads. Everyday they walk out that door they don't know if they are going to walk back in.

You can't stop all crimes from happening, same for wars and accidents and I have seen deaths occur in all three. I'm tired of it myself. Most people wouldn't believe that when soldiers are sent overseas whoever is there weapon or not has more protection from the Geneva convention rules of engagement than an unarmed Veteran has in America. Policing for profit and the private prison systems are the evils. Cocaine herion meth and an array of unsafe synthetic drugs are the evils. The sick bastards who get a good chuckle when a kid gets gunned down are the evils. That sadistic sonofabitch that handcuffed those kids above the elbows backwards and the Kentucky Sreriff defending him are the evils.
Do you have any idea what would happen to an American soldier if he did that to a POW?

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Sat 08/22/15 02:32 AM

If we had better gun control laws and harsher penalties for the people illegally redistributing them she'd still be alive. She's not the first child to be claimed by stray bullets. I'm sure no one there is getting drugs from the source either. They have to be imported and trafficked to their destinations. Synthetic and chemically processed drugs are obtained from outside the US, with the exception of meth and pharmaceuticals.
Problem there is some people don't want any gun control or accountability for 'evidence' or the actions corrupt police take.
There are also sick people who enjoy watching the country rip itself to shreds. They are ignorant enough to believe that things like this will never happen where they live, hurt or kill someone that they care about. They're wrong and they are outnumbered. The end of their ignorance won't be blissful.


The last 3 shootings I looked at involving cops and criminals, the criminals had STOLEN guns.

STOLEN.. not purchased legally... STOLEN

As in broke into someone's home or a legal business and stole their legally owned weapons. Which was then REPORTED to the police by the legal owner.

If the criminals were not the ones who actually STOLE the gun, they sure as hell were the ones who purchased the stolen item. knowing FULL WELL IT WAS ILLEGAL. With one intent in mind. To use it to commit crimes. WHICH THEY DID.

You continue to deflect responsibility from the people who have these STOLEN guns in their belt. From the people who are pulling the trigger on these STOLEN guns. From the people who are making their PERSONNAL DECISIONS to carry stolen guns, to sell illegal drugs. to commit crimes as their main means of supporting themselves.

Nobody forces the gun in their hand.. nobody puts the crack in their pocket to sell.. nobody makes them car jack. nobody makes them rob at gun point

personal choices.. THEIRS!!!.. they made those decisions... they have to live with the consequences.

Not the cops.. not whitey.. not the government.. They do.!

And let me pull out my crystal ball... when the cops catch up with the guy that put the bullet in that little girls head.. you know what will be on the screen?... another black thug. A bi product of the black community and their non family structure.

And you know what America will hear from the black community and their so called leaders... absolutely NOTHING

Why do you think there is no word from Sharpton, from Farrakhan.. on the most precious of life being taken away... one of their kids. I'll tell you why... because they already know the color of the skin of the shooter.

But black on black crime is hushed up by the black community. Its easier to blame others.

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Sat 08/22/15 02:55 AM
Why waste your breath?

It is about (internal) change, not (external) blame.
Change takes less effort, but is difficult because it requires insightful & honest self reflection as opposed to deflection & blame.

Though not likely.. We can only hope.
waving

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Sat 08/22/15 03:00 AM

If we had better gun control laws and harsher penalties for the people illegally redistributing them she'd still be alive. She's not the first child to be claimed by stray bullets. I'm sure no one there is getting drugs from the source either. They have to be imported and trafficked to their destinations. Synthetic and chemically processed drugs are obtained from outside the US, with the exception of meth and pharmaceuticals.
Problem there is some people don't want any gun control or accountability for 'evidence' or the actions corrupt police take.
There are also sick people who enjoy watching the country rip itself to shreds. They are ignorant enough to believe that things like this will never happen where they live, hurt or kill someone that they care about. They're wrong and they are outnumbered. The end of their ignorance won't be blissful.

Those Laws that are on the Books are quite sufficient,if those Idiot Libtard Judges would sentence according to them!
Or are you like VP Joe,"We need more Gunlaws,since we don't have time to enforce the ones already on the Books?"

Sheeshslaphead slaphead slaphead

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Sat 08/22/15 04:08 AM

Why waste your breath?

It is about (internal) change, not (external) blame.
Change takes less effort, but is difficult because it requires insightful & honest self reflection as opposed to deflection & blame.

Though not likely.. We can only hope.
waving


Your right.. and they will be singing the same " why me" tune 50 years from now..

I'm done with that.. it is a waste of breath.

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Sat 08/22/15 04:20 AM
Edited by germanchoclate1981 on Sat 08/22/15 04:51 AM


If we had better gun control laws and harsher penalties for the people illegally redistributing them she'd still be alive. She's not the first child to be claimed by stray bullets. I'm sure no one there is getting drugs from the source either. They have to be imported and trafficked to their destinations. Synthetic and chemically processed drugs are obtained from outside the US, with the exception of meth and pharmaceuticals.
Problem there is some people don't want any gun control or accountability for 'evidence' or the actions corrupt police take.
There are also sick people who enjoy watching the country rip itself to shreds. They are ignorant enough to believe that things like this will never happen where they live, hurt or kill someone that they care about. They're wrong and they are outnumbered. The end of their ignorance won't be blissful.


The last 3 shootings I looked at involving cops and criminals, the criminals had STOLEN guns.

STOLEN.. not purchased legally... STOLEN

As in broke into someone's home or a legal business and stole their legally owned weapons. Which was then REPORTED to the police by the legal owner.

If the criminals were not the ones who actually STOLE the gun, they sure as hell were the ones who purchased the stolen item. knowing FULL WELL IT WAS ILLEGAL. With one intent in mind. To use it to commit crimes. WHICH THEY DID.

You continue to deflect responsibility from the people who have these STOLEN guns in their belt. From the people who are pulling the trigger on these STOLEN guns. From the people who are making their PERSONNAL DECISIONS to carry stolen guns, to sell illegal drugs. to commit crimes as their main means of supporting themselves.

Nobody forces the gun in their hand.. nobody puts the crack in their pocket to sell.. nobody makes them car jack. nobody makes them rob at gun point

personal choices.. THEIRS!!!.. they made those decisions... they have to live with the consequences.

Not the cops.. not whitey.. not the government.. They do.!

And let me pull out my crystal ball... when the cops catch up with the guy that put the bullet in that little girls head.. you know what will be on the screen?... another black thug. A bi product of the black community and their non family structure.

And you know what America will hear from the black community and their so called leaders... absolutely NOTHING

Why do you think there is no word from Sharpton, from Farrakhan.. on the most precious of life being taken away... one of their kids. I'll tell you why... because they already know the color of the skin of the shooter.

But black on black crime is hushed up by the black community. Its easier to blame others.

No, the 7 year old son of a gang member (also arrested and released) was mourned. Chicago didn't deflect that. Spike Lee is shooting a movie there and (positive)rapper and film star Common played a huge part in bringing corporate heads in for a first of its kind job fair. It made headline perhaps you missed it.
Stolen guns, if I paid $3-800 on a handgun, you can be damned sure I know where it's at at all times. If it went missing I'd have a tent and a cot in the PD parking lot until I got it back. If I paid $100 for a used LEGAL .380 I'd do exactly the same thing. Why is it that the courts don't uphold CERTAIN laws for certain people? We have asked that question before. Why aren't the city county and state police combing the streets doing stop and frisk to recollect their evidence(stolen guns)? We asked that.
We have seen 1 gun, actually seen involved in a crime the rest are speculation.
That picture... And the reports connected to it (Fox exclusive) of one man all alone in 'Ferguson' is kinda bothersome. That image is very grainy. School photographers and even private photography studios( the kind that print pictures on stickers like they used to in the 80's and early 90's) have much better quality printstock, ink and cameras these days. Waiting on that one. Meanwhile.... BOLO but CYA:

BODYCAM FOOTAGE of SHOOTING DEATH of unarmed BLACK TEEN shot in the back, MISSING presumed DESTROYED.
BODYCAM FOOTAGE of NEAR FATAL SHOOTING of ALLEGEDLY armed BLACK TEEN fleeing from scene of UNKNOWN armed assailants who fired first, MISSING presumed DESTROYED.
If found please call the FBI, the Ferguson police will probably shoot you. Chances you survive the shooting are 33.3%.

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Sat 08/22/15 05:09 AM



If we had better gun control laws and harsher penalties for the people illegally redistributing them she'd still be alive. She's not the first child to be claimed by stray bullets. I'm sure no one there is getting drugs from the source either. They have to be imported and trafficked to their destinations. Synthetic and chemically processed drugs are obtained from outside the US, with the exception of meth and pharmaceuticals.
Problem there is some people don't want any gun control or accountability for 'evidence' or the actions corrupt police take.
There are also sick people who enjoy watching the country rip itself to shreds. They are ignorant enough to believe that things like this will never happen where they live, hurt or kill someone that they care about. They're wrong and they are outnumbered. The end of their ignorance won't be blissful.


The last 3 shootings I looked at involving cops and criminals, the criminals had STOLEN guns.

STOLEN.. not purchased legally... STOLEN

As in broke into someone's home or a legal business and stole their legally owned weapons. Which was then REPORTED to the police by the legal owner.

If the criminals were not the ones who actually STOLE the gun, they sure as hell were the ones who purchased the stolen item. knowing FULL WELL IT WAS ILLEGAL. With one intent in mind. To use it to commit crimes. WHICH THEY DID.

You continue to deflect responsibility from the people who have these STOLEN guns in their belt. From the people who are pulling the trigger on these STOLEN guns. From the people who are making their PERSONNAL DECISIONS to carry stolen guns, to sell illegal drugs. to commit crimes as their main means of supporting themselves.

Nobody forces the gun in their hand.. nobody puts the crack in their pocket to sell.. nobody makes them car jack. nobody makes them rob at gun point

personal choices.. THEIRS!!!.. they made those decisions... they have to live with the consequences.

Not the cops.. not whitey.. not the government.. They do.!

And let me pull out my crystal ball... when the cops catch up with the guy that put the bullet in that little girls head.. you know what will be on the screen?... another black thug. A bi product of the black community and their non family structure.

And you know what America will hear from the black community and their so called leaders... absolutely NOTHING

Why do you think there is no word from Sharpton, from Farrakhan.. on the most precious of life being taken away... one of their kids. I'll tell you why... because they already know the color of the skin of the shooter.

But black on black crime is hushed up by the black community. Its easier to blame others.

No, the 7 year old son of a gang member (also arrested and released) was mourned. Chicago didn't deflect that. Spike Lee is shooting a movie there and (positive)rapper and film star Common played a huge part in bringing corporate heads in for a first of its kind job fair. It made headline perhaps you missed it.
Stolen guns, if I paid $3-800 on a handgun, you can be damned sure I know where it's at at all times. If it went missing I'd have a tent and a cot in the PD parking lot until I got it back. If I paid $100 for a used LEGAL .380 I'd do exactly the same thing. Why is it that the courts don't uphold CERTAIN laws for certain people? We have asked that question before. Why aren't the city county and state police combing the streets doing stop and frisk to recollect their evidence(stolen guns)? We asked that.
We have seen 1 gun, actually seen involved in a crime the rest are speculation.
That picture... And the reports connected to it (Fox exclusive) of one man all alone in 'Ferguson' is kinda bothersome. That image is very grainy. School photographers and even private photography studios( the kind that print pictures on stickers like they used to in the 80's and early 90's) have much better quality printstock, ink and cameras these days. Waiting on that one. Meanwhile.... BOLO but CYA:

BODYCAM FOOTAGE of SHOOTING DEATH of unarmed BLACK TEEN shot in the back, MISSING presumed DESTROYED.
BODYCAM FOOTAGE of NEAR FATAL SHOOTING of ALLEGEDLY armed BLACK TEEN fleeing from scene of UNKNOWN armed assailants who fired first, MISSING presumed DESTROYED.
If found please call the FBI, the Ferguson police will probably shoot you. Chances you survive the shooting are 33.3%.


I think you are a nice guy and I also think you are a good man. A good family type man. But I just can't follow your thought pattern GC.. just can't. I read you messages 3 -4 times and still have no idea what you are trying to say or can't follow the core point. And I am a fairly intelligent man.

So, in my opinion.. there is no point.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/22/15 09:48 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 08/22/15 10:03 AM



I am confused...

What happens if a black officer kills a black civilian and vice versa?


it is still BLUE on black crime, the uniform AGAINST the 'threat'

if it is black(or any other color) on blue, SWIFT justice is dispensed in the name of the officer,,,





You better watch what you say going forward in this thread. Your hatred of Law Enforcement is not needed here. I lost a good friend this week in the line of duty who saved the lives of three children, a battered woman and the lives of several officers.

You do NOT know the dangers these men and women face the moment they get in their vehicle and acknowledge their first call of the shift.


watch what I say or what?...lol

so everyone is free to an opinion if it agrees with yours? self absorbed much?

I do not HATE anyone, I HATE that young black men get killed with impunity because of a socially inherent 'fear' that causes them to be a 'threat' and therefore expendable under even when they are not armed or running or merely being what others would be called as 'confrontational or disobedient'

perhaps your OBSESSION with law enforcement causes you a total lack of perspective?

I am sorry for your loss, most of us have lost people we care about, but that has nothing to do with the BIGGER picture of what is happening here. I realize the danger, I have loved ones on the force too and in the military, but THEY also signed on realizing the danger and being TRAINED for it and PAID for it and provided BENEFITS for it,, so the fact it is dangerous is no excuse for when unarmed citizens are gunned down and their families are not given closure or justice for their loss.

I know many have a love affair with police and people in uniform, but I do not (although men tend to look better in uniform,, lol, but that's another topic). It is a job, a job entered into knowing all the responsibility and risk. All those I love who took such jobs know that and would never use that as a reason for people to accept their poor judgment, especially if it cost the life of someone unjustly.





msharmony's photo
Sat 08/22/15 09:50 AM


dang, he kind of looks like my son too,, no joking

and I can see my son getting to a point where he felt a need to maintain an 'image' in videos, cause he does music

I doubt he would have anything actually loaded in that scenario though


lots of musicians stay alive by not pointing guns at cops... and he can still feed the image in other ways...


I agree, I already said I doubt that such a 'prop' would be loaded if only a prop. That doesnt mean he ever pointed it or that he did. But unless it was unregistered, I believe we live where people adore the RIGHT to carry guns?

so then the question ONLY becomes if he actually pointed it...not if he threw it away.