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Topic: Another cop/teen shooting in St. Louis
mightymoe's photo
Mon 08/24/15 08:42 PM
Where was the gun stolen from? What State? No National database, no answer, no accountability. I'll tell you where they didn't steal it from, between the fruit loops and the apple jacks. It's also a felony to premeditate shooting someone with a legal gun.


i think murder is a felony, regardless...

germanchoclate1981's photo
Mon 08/24/15 09:28 PM

Where was the gun stolen from? What State? No National database, no answer, no accountability. I'll tell you where they didn't steal it from, between the fruit loops and the apple jacks. It's also a felony to premeditate shooting someone with a legal gun.


i think murder is a felony, regardless...

If a murder occurs, most of the time that would be correct. We have seen lots of shooting in about 3 seconds of security footage in Ferguson by one in frame shooter. We have not seen a murder in Ferguson, not by any black teens. There have been some murders in Ferguson and elsewhere that have not resulted in felony charges or any charges for that matter. I wonder if part of the sweeping change the Justice Department probe into Ferguson and St Louis county in particular will be bodycams. Everywhere else seems to be on board, even the University of Cincinnati police department. You'd think the city and county where the murder that prompted the very real need for bodycams would be one of the first to put them to use.

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Mon 08/24/15 09:31 PM

Where was the gun stolen from? What State? No National database, no answer, no accountability. I'll tell you where they didn't steal it from, between the fruit loops and the apple jacks. It's also a felony to premeditate shooting someone with a legal gun.



Rest in peace Louisiana State Trooper Steven Vincent. Vincent was murdered while responding to a disabled truck in a ditch when the driver opened the door and shot him in the head with a sawed off shotgun. Good Samaritans took down 54 year old Kevin Daigle who was standing over Trooper Vincent telling him he would die soon. After disarming Daigle they used Vincents cuffs to restrain him before using the radio to call for help. It was later established that Diagle's roommate was dead at his home and the truck was reportedly driving recklessly belonged to the deceased.


http://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm

Do you mean the above?.. the FBI nation data base which documents stolen vehicles, weapons and a host of other information. Avalible to any law enforcement entity. You know.. the database that the cops use when they are running a cars tags or running serial numbers on a gun. There are other data bases as well

I am not a advocate for guns.. I don't have one, my shooting days are over. I don't believe they have a place in everyday society.. but that's just my opinion, others have a different view. Which is fine.

but I do know one thing about guns. They do not float up in the air.. out the door and start shooting at people on their own.. There is a hand attached to them whenever that happens.

And the hand attached to it is the responsible party.. not the gun.

Knowing where the gun came from is not going to make a God damn bit of difference to anyone.

You want the violent crime rate in the black community to go down...that's easy.... stop raising thugs... period.




mightymoe's photo
Mon 08/24/15 10:13 PM


Where was the gun stolen from? What State? No National database, no answer, no accountability. I'll tell you where they didn't steal it from, between the fruit loops and the apple jacks. It's also a felony to premeditate shooting someone with a legal gun.


i think murder is a felony, regardless...

If a murder occurs, most of the time that would be correct. We have seen lots of shooting in about 3 seconds of security footage in Ferguson by one in frame shooter. We have not seen a murder in Ferguson, not by any black teens. There have been some murders in Ferguson and elsewhere that have not resulted in felony charges or any charges for that matter. I wonder if part of the sweeping change the Justice Department probe into Ferguson and St Louis county in particular will be bodycams. Everywhere else seems to be on board, even the University of Cincinnati police department. You'd think the city and county where the murder that prompted the very real need for bodycams would be one of the first to put them to use.


i don't disagree with you about bodycams, every cop should have one... but i can't force every cop to wear it...

germanchoclate1981's photo
Mon 08/24/15 11:11 PM


Where was the gun stolen from? What State? No National database, no answer, no accountability. I'll tell you where they didn't steal it from, between the fruit loops and the apple jacks. It's also a felony to premeditate shooting someone with a legal gun.



Rest in peace Louisiana State Trooper Steven Vincent. Vincent was murdered while responding to a disabled truck in a ditch when the driver opened the door and shot him in the head with a sawed off shotgun. Good Samaritans took down 54 year old Kevin Daigle who was standing over Trooper Vincent telling him he would die soon. After disarming Daigle they used Vincents cuffs to restrain him before using the radio to call for help. It was later established that Diagle's roommate was dead at his home and the truck was reportedly driving recklessly belonged to the deceased.


http://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm

Do you mean the above?.. the FBI nation data base which documents stolen vehicles, weapons and a host of other information. Avalible to any law enforcement entity. You know.. the database that the cops use when they are running a cars tags or running serial numbers on a gun. There are other data bases as well

I am not a advocate for guns.. I don't have one, my shooting days are over. I don't believe they have a place in everyday society.. but that's just my opinion, others have a different view. Which is fine.

but I do know one thing about guns. They do not float up in the air.. out the door and start shooting at people on their own.. There is a hand attached to them whenever that happens.

And the hand attached to it is the responsible party.. not the gun.

Knowing where the gun came from is not going to make a God damn bit of difference to anyone.

You want the violent crime rate in the black community to go down...that's easy.... stop raising thugs... period.


I agree with you to an extent, not fully.
No, guns don't float. On that you are correct. But in pointing out that fact you can't deny that a gun can't be stolen from someone who doesn't have a gun. It's also pretty difficult to steal a gun when you don't have one. You have to have intimate knowledge of the owner, their schedule, if and when they carry it and who's watching the neighborhood when they don't have it on them. Then there is the tricky business of breaking in finding it and getting out without being caught. The reason that most people have guns in the first place is to defend themselves against thieves and murderers. Unless the person is really careless.... I'm sure people get drunk or leave town from time to time but once they start numbering in the hundreds in a small town the 'stolen gun' thing goes out the window. The St Louis county Cheif of police stated to the media that the suspect was seen carrying a stolen gun before they knew what they were charging him with. A few days later Ball-Bey was 'seen' throwing 1 but had 3 'stolen guns' before he was killed. Guns aren't cheap, so if someone does have a legal gun stolen you can bet that they're going to report it stolen. Online and mail ordered guns have to go through a Federally licensed dealer so that doesn't work either.

Your link only ascribes to guns that are reported stolen, not all stolen guns, no smuggled guns, no 'missing from evidence' guns, no recirculated guns, no legal guns. That's a large number of the operable guns in America. Guns reported stolen are much less in comparison.

Guns do have a place, but people use them too often to commit crime. They should be for self defense and hunting. Unfortunately the business of untraced or displaced guns doesn't do much to advocate those noble purposes. There are no gun crimes where there are no guns, so it makes a damn huge difference where the gun comes from, it has to get from the factory through god knows where before it's devalued enough for these kids to get their hands on them. You said it yourself guns don't float, but they are very often stored in ankle holsters incase someone has an itch they can't suppress.

Raising thugs.... That's precicesly the uneducated fear that cost many innocent OR unarmed their lives. Tbc...

germanchoclate1981's photo
Mon 08/24/15 11:19 PM



Where was the gun stolen from? What State? No National database, no answer, no accountability. I'll tell you where they didn't steal it from, between the fruit loops and the apple jacks. It's also a felony to premeditate shooting someone with a legal gun.


i think murder is a felony, regardless...

If a murder occurs, most of the time that would be correct. We have seen lots of shooting in about 3 seconds of security footage in Ferguson by one in frame shooter. We have not seen a murder in Ferguson, not by any black teens. There have been some murders in Ferguson and elsewhere that have not resulted in felony charges or any charges for that matter. I wonder if part of the sweeping change the Justice Department probe into Ferguson and St Louis county in particular will be bodycams. Everywhere else seems to be on board, even the University of Cincinnati police department. You'd think the city and county where the murder that prompted the very real need for bodycams would be one of the first to put them to use.


i don't disagree with you about bodycams, every cop should have one... but i can't force every cop to wear it...

Every enforcement operative not currently undercover should have one. This protects everyone. It benefits everyone. Had Daigle gotten away the video from Trooper Vincent's bodycam that captured the entire incident would have unquestionably identiftied his murderer.

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Fri 08/28/15 04:35 PM
Edited by RebelArcher on Fri 08/28/15 04:36 PM
"" FERGUSON • Charges filed Thursday say it
was De’Eris Brown, 21, who fired shots into
a home here last week that killed 9-year-
old Jamyla Bolden. But neither court
documents nor officials provided any
suggestion of a motive.
Jamyla was doing homework on her
mother’s bed when she was killed by shots
fired into a bedroom window and wall from
outside; her mother was wounded in the
leg.
Late Thursday afternoon, a man outside the
bullet-pocked house in the 9200 block of
Ellison Drive, who identified himself as
Jamyla’s grandfather, declined to say
whether Brown was known to the family.
He said the relatives might say more Friday.
Police said Brown was not related to the
victims but would not say whether he had
some connection to them, citing the ongoing
investigation.
Jamyla and her mother, Kendric Henderson,
34, were not the intended targets, according
to a source.
In court documents, Ferguson police
Detective William Ballard said a witness
identified Brown as the shooter, and an
informer came forward to say Brown
admitted shooting into the home the night
of Aug. 18.
Brown, of the 9200 block of O’Fallon Lake
Drive in O’Fallon, Mo., was named on one
count of second-degree murder, two counts
of unlawful use of a weapon and three
counts of armed criminal action. He was
held in lieu of $750,000 cash-only bail.
U.S. marshals and St. Louis County police
arrested Brown Wednesday night at a St.
Louis area hospital, officials said. He was
visiting a patient there, according to a
source.
Brown is on probation after pleading guilty
in March to two counts of second-degree
robbery for a crime last year in St. Peters.
A statement by St. Charles County
prosecutor Tim Lohmar says Brown
admitted that he and an accomplice had
robbed someone. Brown was sentenced to
five years of probation with the threat of 10
years in prison if he violated conditions.
He also had been charged with
misdemeanor assault and unlawful use of a
weapon for allegedly threatening an ex-
girlfriend with a gun at her job at a
Subway restaurant in St. Charles in 2014 .
That case was dropped “due to a lack of
cooperation from the alleged victim,”
Lohmar’s statement says.""
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-make-arrest-in-murder-of--year-old-jamyla/article_a7f5bd9e-a64b-5d36-9804-eedbe42919e4.html?mobile_touch=true



^^^^^^^ Shocker, amirite?!

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Fri 08/28/15 05:28 PM


JAMYLA BOLTON

No protests, no catchy chants, no #BlackLivesMatter...... I am just lil girl, shot dead by thugs while trying to do my homework. :angel:






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Sat 08/29/15 12:03 AM



JAMYLA BOLTON

No protests, no catchy chants, no #BlackLivesMatter......






Probably because SHE WASN'T THE INTENDED TARGET.
Probably because the shooter COULDN'T SEE WHO he was shooting at.
Probably because HARDLY ANYONE KNEW she had been shot.
Probably because THIS IDIOT WASN'T ONE OF THE PEACEFUL PROTESTERS.
Probably because THE SHOOTING WASN'T CARRIED OUT BY THE POLICE WHO ARE PAID TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF SHOOTING THEM WHEN THEY ARE UNARMED, IN THE ACT OF SURRENDERING, OR RUNNING FROM BEING SHOT AT WITH THEIR BACK TURNED.

Protests for her death can be directed at the judicial and correctional facilities who are not doing their jobs. I wonder who sold him the gun, I'm sure as a condition of his probation he couldn't buy one legally.

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