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Edited by
Serverousprime
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Fri 09/19/14 06:47 PM
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I would like constructive Ideas people. This just tell me what not to do. To do your part, get a job. On payday, take 2/3 of what you make and give it to a homeless family. Or, give it to a liberal who claims they are CAPABLE of contributing and just won't. Stating, welfare pays better than a job. I did some charity work last night in Mejico. I donated 50 pesos to a fine looking, poor hooker. 
Well I'm glad that you are able to give so much to the needy 2/3. That's very gracious of you. Do you do that all the time? You asked for ideas YOU could do to help poor folks. That suggestion to you, for you to do; You, get a job. On payday, take 2/3 of what you make and give it to a homeless family. Or, give it to a liberal who claims they are CAPABLE of contributing and just won't. Here is my original quote As for the fact that this still doesn't resolve the issue of people not getting paid enough, How does it pertain to this? How do you intend on solving this? I would like constructive Ideas people. This just tell me what not to do. I.E. don't be communist. I do not see any mention of me except for the sentence This just tell me what not to do.
I think the issue is that I misspelled the word "tell". It's supposed to be read. "This just 'tells' me what not to do." I do apologize about the typo As this pertains to an explanation of what was explained earlier about the atlas shrugged, overly biased news coverage, and how I interpreted the data therein, I doesn't involve me asking how I should help the helpless. I did ask how WE should help the helpless. WE. WE. I think you have made it painfully clear as to your view on this is. Furthermore, you have also made it painfully cleat that you are unwilling to listen to what I have to say. So I say good day to you. Any one else want to actually contribute or will this "flaming the liberals" continue. |
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Stating, welfare pays better than a job.
No, welfare does not pay better than a job. 
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Food Stamps, free medical, free housing, free phone, free wi-fi.
Whatever other freebies there are out there. Add it up. I know many folks who can't afford to live that well. |
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Edited by
Serverousprime
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Fri 09/19/14 08:31 PM
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Food Stamps, free medical, free housing, free phone, free wi-fi. Whatever other freebies there are out there. Add it up. I know many folks who can't afford to live that well. Yep your absolutely right since every person that is poor gets Food stamps and Free medical and Free housing and A Free Phone and Free wi-fi. But wait if that were true then there would be no homeless gassp! I wonder why we still need homeless shelters! Or why kids in families that are in deep poverty have malnutrition issues! 3.9 million households were unable at times during the year to provide adequate, nutritious food for their children While children are usually shielded by their parents, who go hungry themselves quote taken from http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/us_hunger_facts.htm . and yes it's about the US.
See the problem is you are assuming that by getting these "Freebees" that they are totally paid for by what was the phrase again  thats right the "gubment". They assist, like for the housing issue. Unless someone is lucky enough that "houses for humanity" picks them up, the "gubment" only pays a portion of their rent. So most people that are in the housing system still has to pay. On its own, by providing families additional income, the EITC already helps ease the housing cost burdens of the working poor. But even with the additional money from EITC, most working-poor families still spend more than 30 percent of their incomes - and some spend over half their incomes - for housing. taken from http://nhi.org/online/issues/151/housingtheworkingpoor.html .
Remember how outrageous that 66% that you were using for me. Now imagine if YOU had to pay 50% of your salary just to have a place to sleep. |
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Food Stamps, free medical, free housing, free phone, free wi-fi. Whatever other freebies there are out there. Add it up. I know many folks who can't afford to live that well. Yep your absolutely right since every person that is poor gets Food stamps and Free medical and Free housing and A Free Phone and Free wi-fi. But wait if that were true then there would be no homeless gassp! I wonder why we still need homeless shelters! Or why kids in families that are in deep poverty have malnutrition issues! 3.9 million households were unable at times during the year to provide adequate, nutritious food for their children While children are usually shielded by their parents, who go hungry themselves quote taken from http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/us_hunger_facts.htm . and yes it's about the US.
See the problem is you are assuming that by getting these "Freebees" that they are totally paid for by what was the phrase again thats right the "gubment". They assist, like for the housing issue. Unless someone is lucky enough that "houses for humanity" picks them up, the "gubment" only pays a portion of their rent. So most people that are in the housing system still has to pay. On its own, by providing families additional income, the EITC already helps ease the housing cost burdens of the working poor. But even with the additional money from EITC, most working-poor families still spend more than 30 percent of their incomes - and some spend over half their incomes - for housing. taken from http://nhi.org/online/issues/151/housingtheworkingpoor.html .
Remember how outrageous that 66% that you were using for me. Now imagine if YOU had to pay 50% of your salary just to have a place to sleep. Serverousprime is correct. Those alleged "freebies" are exaggerated by folks who aren't aware of the harsh realities of being in extreme poverty. |
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Edited by
Serverousprime
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Fri 09/19/14 10:40 PM
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In a previous post you mentioned the poverty level being the minimum needed to survive. Wouldn't you agree Mother Teresa survived well below that? Cool. Its always great to bring a conversation about poverty over to what is REALLY necessary. When you have enough to survive physically, the problem of poverty really becomes a problem of the mind. Some might say its a spiritual problem. Most poor people in the USA have more than enough to survive physically. No you can't say it's a spiritual problem. because the statistics prove that. There is a limited amount of jobs available. not everyone can have one. approximately 1 out of 7 jobs is one that is below 10 per hour and thus considered under paid. Mainly because those in them can't make enough money. There are people that work 70 hours a week and can't pay the bills because of prices of rent, food, and other necessities. For them working is a neg sum game because they lost before it even started. All they have to live for is more debt, more despair, and more people telling them that they aren't making it because they don't believe enough. Wake up people the poor is real. And they won't go away by wishing them to. Oh and blaming the government doesn't fix the problem either. |
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 lovin this, seeing people give a damn,, nice change of pace,,,
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never a limited amount of jobs... its up to you,,, what are you going to do .... preaching to the saints here... its all about your skill sets and how you...You... You market your own skills..... thanks...
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that's like saying there is never a shortage of homes
,,while that is true, OVER THE ENTIRE POPULATION when price, needs, security, and geography are taken into acct, its a bit more complex than that,,,, similarly jobs are mostly filled through networks(word of mouth) and not classifieds,, so if one is not in one such network ,,that job search gets much more competitive with most jobs having dozens of applicants for the same position just as one example: when needing a reasonable distance to job, hours of work(if children are involved), child care, car insurance, and gas,, all to even MAINTAIN a job,,,,pay and location become very important,,,,, and there becomes far less than an 'abundance' of options,,,, |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Sat 09/20/14 07:34 AM
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No you can't say it's a spiritual problem. because the statistics prove that. There is a limited amount of jobs available. not everyone can have one. approximately 1 out of 7 jobs is one that is below 10 per hour and thus considered under paid. Mainly because those in them can't make enough money. There are people that work 70 hours a week and can't pay the bills because of prices of rent, food, and other necessities. For them working is a neg sum game because they lost before it even started. All they have to live for is more debt, more despair, and more people telling them that they aren't making it because they don't believe enough. Wake up people the poor is real. And they won't go away by wishing them to. Oh and blaming the government doesn't fix the problem either. Hi Server....I just came in a couple of pages ago to read and absorb...and get to know you a little better  ...It's easy to help the helpless because they have no need to cheat the system and it is impossible for them to hide the truth of their situation from their neighbor because they do not have the resources to do so...It becomes harder to figure out how to help a helpless person who really can help him or her self...That does not mean they should not BE HELPED, it only means charity is not only NOT THE ANSWER, it is the one thing that will exacerbate the problem by growing it over time....You keep asking others here to tell you what they would do to help the helpless, but you refuse to acknowledge their answers and you respond back to them sarcastically and condescendingly..Why?...All you manage to do is example one more, very serious, aspect of why the problem is growing...All of the proposed solutions I read address one or more "parts" of the whole...Starting somewhere in the middle only makes a big problem bigger..Government and its citizens need to begin at the beginning and work forward...Since ineffective government entitlement programs, government regs, irresponsible spending, fraud, and dirty politics are the root cause of escalating poverty...AND...because government has access to the monumental amount of money it will take to, not end poverty (that will never happen), but reduce it to a managable size, "helping the helpless' needs to begin there....Those that can work need jobs, those that are working need adequate wages...those that lack skills need education and training....The list of problems contained "in the whole" is long and much of it is the direct result of big government.....If you have laid out a plan to "help the helpless", tell me which page it's on, I'd like to read it...If you only have something sarcastic to say to me, don't...I care about this problem just as much as you do....
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There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money – if a gun is held to his head. ~ P.J. O'Rourke
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There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money – if a gun is held to his head. ~ P.J. O'Rourke 
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One big reason the tax payer bailed out GM moved to Mexico. The Unions raised themselves out of jobs.
80.00 a week and socialized medicine is what the highest paid line worker gets. Instead of going to the company Dr., folks pay for private care. Why, GM don't buy good medical for their employees. Those on welfare deemed fit to work, need booted off. That would be the incentive to take a job. I have no problem helping the TRULY needy. Someone mentioned those with addiction problems? That's a totally different topic. Number one rule.You can't help an addict that won't help himself. I guess that does fit in here. Welfare dependence is an addiction for those who can but, won't. Well, off to my under the table, er, non-profit, job. 
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One big reason the tax payer bailed out GM moved to Mexico. The Unions raised themselves out of jobs. 80.00 a week and socialized medicine is what the highest paid line worker gets. Instead of going to the company Dr., folks pay for private care. Why, GM don't buy good medical for their employees. Those on welfare deemed fit to work, need booted off. That would be the incentive to take a job. I have no problem helping the TRULY needy. Someone mentioned those with addiction problems? That's a totally different topic. Number one rule.You can't help an addict that won't help himself. I guess that does fit in here. Welfare dependence is an addiction for those who can but, won't. Well, off to my under the table, er, non-profit, job.
Well said .... |
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Edited by
willing2
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Sat 09/20/14 08:23 AM
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I see the fraud first hand all the time.
Women living with men who have great jobs and get food stamps, medicaid, reduced or free housing, help with utilities. They live like royalty. The loop hole? They not married. Housing rarely does in-home inspections to verify what was reported is fact. Ya see, his income isn't reported. Other case. Woman lives with retired mother, has grown kids working. They live in the home, as well. Woman has no income. She gets welfare, medicaid for her children still in school. Lives off Mama's income and working children's. Doesn't bother reporting unearned income to welfare. Welfare doesn't do in-home inspections. Woman is fit to work. Chooses not to and/or, does under the table jobs. Tax audits, surprise in-home inspections, drug tests and voter ID should be required. If reports are made, beings it's a felony to defraud, a lie detector test should be administered. Mother, let's change that to parent. Sounds more PC and less discriminatory. Parent gets busted, the kids should be fostered out while Parent servers their time. In the cases of drugs. The parent should be given the option of accepting help. Foster out the kids for the 30 to 90 days of in-patient treatment. After treatment, one year probation with supervised visitation with the kids. Random UAs. Come back dirty one time, permanently off assistance and loses all rights to kids. Folks who keep giving birth to kids they know they'll never be able to afford should be prosecuted like folks who KNOWINGLY,pass on life threatening STDs. It's called, tough love. |
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"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
Adrian Rogers, 1931 |
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"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." Adrian Rogers, 1931 Every time you post this my smile gets bigger...*nods head in agreement*...Common sense is such a beautiful thing... 
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 09/20/14 11:00 AM
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welfare fraud is illegal and prosecuted, much the same way that tax fraud and embezzlement and tax evasion are illegal for 'taxpayers' and corporations and prosecuted
home inspections DO HAPPEN, even though every home everywhere isn't inspected shaming people into feeling less than due to their economic situation, or making them feel like they deserve no POWER in deciding upon a job and should just accept whatever is thrown their way,,, is no better than 'legislating the poor' into prosperity or making people feel like 'they don't have to work' or others feel like what they work for is being 'given to someone else' finances and the economy are actually both much more complicated than the clich�s and urban myths touch upon ,,the closest 'answer' to resolving or reducing the problem is the education that doesn't just train people up to be workhorses whose efforts line the pockets of 'taxpayers' while never affording them the income bracket to become one themselves but instead, trains up people on how to become amongst those 'taxpayers' that will continue to spit upon and belittle them for not 'contributing' what they deem to be enough or as much as they,,, we have to change the education so that people aren't merely wage earners for the owners,, but are potential taxpayers, with the potential to build personal wealth instead of struggling week to week for an 'income' and it wouldn't hurt to promote a culture that values human life BECAUSE it is human life and not because of its tax bracket,,, |
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"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." Adrian Rogers, 1931 Every time you post this my smile gets bigger...*nods head in agreement*...Common sense is such a beautiful thing...
Responsible breeding may need to be enforced. |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Sat 09/20/14 11:36 AM
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and it wouldn't hurt to promote a culture that values human life BECAUSE it is human life and not because of its tax bracket,,,  You're kidding with this statement, right?
Western culture is an advanced culture derived from REASON...The core ideals and values include individualism, rights, capitalism, and happiness...A pro-human life culture recognizes the requirements of proper human survival as the values of reason, individualism, happiness, rights and capitalism...Western culture IS pro-human culture...The extent to which a nation embraces Western culture is a measurement of HOW FREE IT IS, HOW PROSPEROUS IT IS, HOW MODERN IT IS and HOW PEACEFUL IT IS...All of these things are supportive of human life!...In the United States, Western culture DOMINATES!!... |
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