You are assuming something that you have not proven, that unemployed people choose to be unemployed.

Sorry I wouldn't know. Oh got a question for you. Do Spouses of millionares
work? do spouses in general work and "contribute" as you define it?

I don't know this may be a reason as to why. but who knows except them.


Dodo he is right that there are people in the civilian population that don't work because they choose not to. Examples: Married spouses with children, Children in general, the retired community, debutantes(yes they still exist), ex presidents, priests, nuns, the list continues...

But you are right that there are a vast ammount of people that are unemployed that can't find work. I believe that I already mentioned the statistics on this in a previous post so I won't reiterate unless I have to.

Don't make me whoop out mah can of libertard stats.

Now, I have to get back to my under the table, er, non-profit job. (sarc..)

Any suggestions as to help the helpless?

Any one?

Uh, try doing what the sheep do in the parable of the sheep and goats.

Married spouses with children can work. I work with many who do. Children can't work because of labor laws. Retired people who have an income contribute.

You missed the point... There Exists married spouses that don't work and yet have smart phones. There Exists children that don't work and yet have smart phones. There Exists retired individuals that never worked a day in their life because They are living off of their families inheritance, and yet have cellphones and billions of cash.

As all of these people are considered apart of the populace, and as such treated a part of the non labor stats. By the way did you know that it is required to have a phone number to have a job? Especially a job that is low income? If your employer has no way of contacting you, how is it that they will be able to let you know you have the job?

What I am saying is that if you define contribution to society by solely making bank. That definition is flawed, as there are people who contribute to society that don't make money (example: Mother Teresa), AND there are people who make bank without even lifting a finger (example: Lottery winners).

Also trying to distinguish between those who "contribute" and those who don't isn't a viable option either. This goes back to the issue of "any law like this that is passed will be struck down by the supreme court".

Now can we continue with a discussion where "Exclusion" is off the table, because it can't go any where.

It doesn't matter if you worked or not. That isn't contributing. The billionaires pay inheritance tax which is a lot. They have billions because they invest and pay capital gains as well as income tax on dividends. They children who have smart phones have phones paid for by their contributing parent. Same with house wives/husbands. Contributions are judged by households. If I make $1 million/yr have a wife who doesn't work and 5 kids and I pay for all of them and pay taxes my household is contributing. We might have 6 people not working but they are paid for by my own money and I still pay taxes. That is different than someone receiving money from the government to pay for things they can't afford on their own.

In a previous post you mentioned the poverty level being the minimum needed to survive. Wouldn't you agree Mother Teresa survived well below that?

1970 the US population was 203 million today it is 314 million. That is over 50% increase + we also have robotics. You can't will say there is a correlation to wages.

I know that this is going to throw a monkey wrench into the mix...

Morgan Chase was the first Bank to make money/ fees and interest and contractor fees.... off all state food stamp cards and the rest are following... they would rather have you on welfare than allow you to make an honest living...

the only banks participating in this fraud are the to big to fail banks. meaning they are broke and are sucking off of the Lucy Cow,,, they have nothing... they depend on you not knowing history...

thanks crayons

I know that this is going to throw a monkey wrench into the mix...

Morgan Chase was the first Bank to make money/ fees and interest and contractor fees.... off all state food stamp cards and the rest are following... they would rather have you on welfare than allow you to make an honest living...

the only banks participating in this fraud are the to big to fail banks.

thanks crayons

How exactly does this relate? What correlation do you speak of? Between what to wages exactly? How can you say that there is no correlation? Can you give me the metadata? What information are you using that shows no correlation?

Are you saying that there is no relation to the 70's versus now because of new technology and because of a difference in population?

interesting question: Did Mother Teresa survive below the poverty level?

Unfortunately there is not enough information to define if she lived below or above the poverty level. This is due to the fact that we don't know how much what was given to her was worth. and we don't know what the poverty level in the region she lived in during the time she lived in it. If you want to find that out I'd be glad to go over the figures for you.

so, its not about what individuals are doing or 'contributing' its who they can manage to live with and if they 'contribute'


so people doing the same amount of non paid 'contribution' who don't have an income earner,, are what?

compared to those who have the good fortune of SOMEONE in their house working,,,,?

are housewives better or worse or equal to the welfare mom, on THEIR OWN MERIT?

they both are supported by someone else, the only difference being where that someone lives,,,,

There is a place , I believe in or near the Netherlands, with a pay it forward type system, I doubt we would ever vote to support it here, but people are encouraged/expected after a certain income is earned to hire someone else to do something/anything and once they reach an income level they hire someone,, and so on

there is no shortage of work, and people take pride in the work they do because they are in a culture where they feel valued as a human being

I do believe you get what you pay for and employers would do better paying better wages, because people would feel valued and put in the work for which they are valued at,,,

so, increasing a sense of VALUE in all positions and pay that inspires a pride and commitment to the work,,,would be a start

coupled with teaching from a young age about building the 'right' networks and accessing resources that can aid in working smarter instead of harder,,,while earning enough to truly live life and not just endure it,,,

You tell it Sister!

you are from Northern Europe?

are you here in the US or there?

US citizen

I read the meaning differently. There is a percentage of the population who contribute little due to no fault of their own and a percentage who choose not to contribute. This fact is an obvious truth. The relative size of each is debatable.

I met a lady at lunch last year. She was telling my client how she was living off of unemployment and savings till the unemployment ran out. She had several job offers but she wanted to use the unemployment for an extended vacation before she went back to work.